leaffan
Well-Known Member
There will be failures for sure. It's to be expected.
btw there are already sweet deals on equipment.
Can anyone afford to buy?
- Thread starter WHATFG
- Start date
btw there are already sweet deals on equipment.
itsmehigh
Well-Known Member
How do you explain all the dispensary's. Right now there are 16 in Vancouver charging $10-$12+ a gram. They seem to be doing all right, more then enough clients to keep them in business. I can guarantee as a LP I can supply a better product at a reasonable price. Don't get me wrong I think that it a travesty that people can't grow there own, but there will be a market for LP's. People will have a choice, if you choose to buy from the black market, that's your choice. But please don't classify us LP's as government grows, many of us are patient with many years of experience growing our own meds, don't hate us because we want to provide people with high quality reasonably priced meds.
cheers Itsme
cheers Itsme
cannadan
Well-Known Member
my understanding is most of the problem is with designated growers diverting to the black market
in which I have read about mostly on here.... and more than a handful of the soon to become LP's are former designated growers
so it stands to reason that they were the problem already.....(so really whats gonna change....)
One thing I do know, is most people that grow for themselves do not divert anything anywhere.
We need our meds for ourselves
in which I have read about mostly on here.... and more than a handful of the soon to become LP's are former designated growers
so it stands to reason that they were the problem already.....(so really whats gonna change....)
One thing I do know, is most people that grow for themselves do not divert anything anywhere.
We need our meds for ourselves
Brian Savage
Well-Known Member
The Designate grower days are over in my opinion.
The solution is simple to me, if you want to be able to cultivate cannabis for your medicine, you must also be willing to allow an inspector in your garden without much notice.
A small team of inspectors could do random inspections in different regions of the country at random times. This would also allow for patients to be corrected on any issues such as violations of fire codes or electrical safety hazards.
It would cost the government very little to employ lets say 10 of these people and pay for them to travel the country inspecting grows. This would also have the effect of 'keeping people honest' about the size and scale, and about the diversion of cannabis to the black market. These licensed commercial producers will easily be able to coexist with the patients who simply have no choice but to produce the cannabis themselves. I am one of those patients.
The solution is simple to me, if you want to be able to cultivate cannabis for your medicine, you must also be willing to allow an inspector in your garden without much notice.
A small team of inspectors could do random inspections in different regions of the country at random times. This would also allow for patients to be corrected on any issues such as violations of fire codes or electrical safety hazards.
It would cost the government very little to employ lets say 10 of these people and pay for them to travel the country inspecting grows. This would also have the effect of 'keeping people honest' about the size and scale, and about the diversion of cannabis to the black market. These licensed commercial producers will easily be able to coexist with the patients who simply have no choice but to produce the cannabis themselves. I am one of those patients.
Brian Savage
Well-Known Member
It is my opinion that they should have their costs subsidized by either the government (Disability, Welfare etc.) or allowing another person who lives there to grow for them.
If they truly want to treat cannabis like the rest of medicines well that has to start with cannabis being given a D.I.N. and it being covered like the rest of medications.
The designates may very well sneak through but I believe the chances are slim at best. The Personal Production Licenses are bulletproof under Canadian law in my humble opinion.
If they truly want to treat cannabis like the rest of medicines well that has to start with cannabis being given a D.I.N. and it being covered like the rest of medications.
The designates may very well sneak through but I believe the chances are slim at best. The Personal Production Licenses are bulletproof under Canadian law in my humble opinion.
Kootenaygirl
Active Member
Continuing to grow for yourself after MARCH 31, 2014 is the ultimate protest. This would also bridge the gap for many while the high MMPR prices come down. It would be bad for any government to haul sick people out of their grow rooms to prosecute them.
That leaves those that cannot grow for themselves, this is where we should be the most concerned. Our local Compassion Club has decided to stay open till the police raid it. Black Market prices are still at lowest levels in memory. It is time for these people to stock up if possible at historic low prices, to ride out a couple years? Doubt that HC will step up in time with subsidies.
Is there any solution for those that cannot grow for themselves and can't afford to invest in current cheap black market medicine. We need to explore solutions, instead of crapping on those that are trying to increase the availability of marihuana. We need a highly visible, very sick patient to get hauled out of their compassion club onto the street and shoved into a squad car on camera and in the news followed by a large Canadian protest. Force the government to face public opinion. This could happen fast enough if we get started now.
The government has indicated that there will be between 300,000 and 500,000 prescriptions by 2024. If it goes recreational, finally, fantastic, potential LP's should not be criticized for that, have we not all wanted that before any MMPR.
I predict legalization within 5 years, but am not betting on it. There are four groups against the spread of marihuana in order of size, 1 the ignorant(30%), 2 the Black Market (10%), 3 the police(5%) , and Health Canada(1%), how long will it take to reach the tipping point? Many of the ignorant masses are passing due to old age, and the police are having a hard time keeping a straight face when talking about marihuana, that leaves the crooks and our common enemy HC.
Edibles should have been part of the MMPR from the beginning. Forcing people to smoke their medicine is backwards and will bite HC in the butt I bet. Marihuana
Doctors have already signed onto a mostly criminal system (MMAR), where most of the drug is diverted to the illicit market, and now they won't sign onto the MMPR? If your doctor won't sign, find another that will. I don't see any logic in your argument. Add to that the thousands of nurses that can prescribe now too, your all doom and gloom Doobius1. I suspect that doobius1 belongs in one or more of the groups I mentioned, and I am not talking about HC or the Police. Might we be bitter about losing some under the table income too?
There is lots of room for some to grow it for themselves and others to mass produce it, but there is no room for Designated Goons who don't pay taxes and sell the run off to our children, all in the name of "affordable meds".
That leaves those that cannot grow for themselves, this is where we should be the most concerned. Our local Compassion Club has decided to stay open till the police raid it. Black Market prices are still at lowest levels in memory. It is time for these people to stock up if possible at historic low prices, to ride out a couple years? Doubt that HC will step up in time with subsidies.
Is there any solution for those that cannot grow for themselves and can't afford to invest in current cheap black market medicine. We need to explore solutions, instead of crapping on those that are trying to increase the availability of marihuana. We need a highly visible, very sick patient to get hauled out of their compassion club onto the street and shoved into a squad car on camera and in the news followed by a large Canadian protest. Force the government to face public opinion. This could happen fast enough if we get started now.
The government has indicated that there will be between 300,000 and 500,000 prescriptions by 2024. If it goes recreational, finally, fantastic, potential LP's should not be criticized for that, have we not all wanted that before any MMPR.
I predict legalization within 5 years, but am not betting on it. There are four groups against the spread of marihuana in order of size, 1 the ignorant(30%), 2 the Black Market (10%), 3 the police(5%) , and Health Canada(1%), how long will it take to reach the tipping point? Many of the ignorant masses are passing due to old age, and the police are having a hard time keeping a straight face when talking about marihuana, that leaves the crooks and our common enemy HC.
Edibles should have been part of the MMPR from the beginning. Forcing people to smoke their medicine is backwards and will bite HC in the butt I bet. Marihuana
Doctors have already signed onto a mostly criminal system (MMAR), where most of the drug is diverted to the illicit market, and now they won't sign onto the MMPR? If your doctor won't sign, find another that will. I don't see any logic in your argument. Add to that the thousands of nurses that can prescribe now too, your all doom and gloom Doobius1. I suspect that doobius1 belongs in one or more of the groups I mentioned, and I am not talking about HC or the Police. Might we be bitter about losing some under the table income too?
There is lots of room for some to grow it for themselves and others to mass produce it, but there is no room for Designated Goons who don't pay taxes and sell the run off to our children, all in the name of "affordable meds".
mojoganjaman
Well-Known Member
I started growing at the ripe age of 51...its been 5 years now...with my probs I was in a depressed state...lethargic, no energy or will to do anything...since I started to grow in my yard, I'm up and checkin' things out...gardening is something I thought I'd never do...but it is very therapeutic...just hangin' out in the yard with my mutt and enjoyin' the sun...frigg-fantabulous!!!!...now, after 3 weeks of harvest(I kin only go about 3-4 hrs a day) I'm happy to see the last of this crop drop this weekend...yeah...they ain't takin' my garden away!!!!
btw...this year was a once in a lifetime grow...not gonna go this big again( all legal)...too much work for my worn-out back.
mojo
btw...this year was a once in a lifetime grow...not gonna go this big again( all legal)...too much work for my worn-out back.
mojo
Doobius1
Well-Known Member
So wrong K girl. Im 48 year old man who owns his own corp with 5 employees. I dont need to sell squat. My logic is this....it took what 15 years to get 30,000 patients into this program? And that was because 25000 of us could grow our own. There is only a handful of docs who sign. Most of them want $100's ++ to sign. I paid $400 to get a doc across the country to sign. you think Im going through that again so I can buy your radiated shwag? What makes you think they are going to change and start signing? 450,000? You really believe that? 'Oh Nurse Practitioner I have an ingrown hair'....oh here's K Girls number...lol. A close friend in BC just told me she couldnt find a doc to sign for her migraines so she blew off renewing. She is back underground. You smokin too much chronic K girl. Your head is in the clouds. Its not doom and gloom its called realism. You dream away but dont let the dollar signs in your eyes blur reality. You are dealing with the King Snake Harper. He is going to bite you right in the ass.
Doobius1
Well-Known Member
I am pretty sure most compassionate clubs will take patients with a simple letter of diagnosis. Like you, they only care about money. Im sick of this 'Im doing it for the patient' crap. Reasonably priced would be $1.50 per gram. Preying on the sick and dying is pathetic but somebodys gotta do it right? Might as well be you lot.
itsmehigh
Well-Known Member
Doobius1. We aren't the enemy, I'm a patient just like you. I have been growing for well over 25 years now. I didn't make the rules, I see an opportunity to have a career in something I love to do, I' am Gardner plain and simple. Who said anything about irradiating? From my experience the majority of MMAR licences are bogus, patients selling their meds. As a patient/DG my patients get 100% of the crop! what they do with it is up to them. I agree I'm apart of the problem, I am compensated with cash once a month for my time and effort, I take none of their meds. Your beef is with the government, I respect your opinion, but there are people like myself who truly have compassion, and aren't looking to get rich, I'm no major corp. just an every day guy looking for a career, who thinks he can help. I promise you that you would be more than happy with my service. Out of the 16 I mentioned earlier we have 1 compassion club, the rest are just business and probably 90% of their clients are rec. users! these are just fronts for storefront drug dealers. It's ridicules, the MMAR does not work period. In my opinion cannabis should be 100% legal for every one! problem solved! prohibition does not work.
peace Itsme
peace Itsme
Kootenaygirl
Active Member
Your just wrong if you think this is all about money, the compassion club here has never been about money, I know the owner, I see how he lives, I know he is ready to go to prison to make sure patients get their meds, he drives a Saturn. We are patients too.
Besides, the above board prices you will be able to look at online will keep any greedy people in check.
Please explain to me how becoming a production grower is preying on the sick and dying. You just lump us all in to whatever group suits you, you are doing the sick and dying a disservice with your "realism", still sounds like doom and gloom to me. Try some facts Doobius1. Name suits you. LOL.
I keep coming across $2.00 per gram or close to it in production costs with MMAR rules, I'm betting closer to $3.00 a gram MMPR rules. If you want $1.50 a gram patient cost you better start smoking leaf, if your growing your own for that it can't be stellar.
Besides, the above board prices you will be able to look at online will keep any greedy people in check.
Please explain to me how becoming a production grower is preying on the sick and dying. You just lump us all in to whatever group suits you, you are doing the sick and dying a disservice with your "realism", still sounds like doom and gloom to me. Try some facts Doobius1. Name suits you. LOL.
I keep coming across $2.00 per gram or close to it in production costs with MMAR rules, I'm betting closer to $3.00 a gram MMPR rules. If you want $1.50 a gram patient cost you better start smoking leaf, if your growing your own for that it can't be stellar.
Doobius1
Well-Known Member
Well its the sick and dying who use cannabis duh. So you can grow for $2 and sell for $6? Nice markup there. Nothing greedy about that right? You talking greenhouses full? No way .50 cents a gram to produce. Peace natural are using greenhouses. How come tomatoes dont sell for $6 a gram? Answer some of my questions K girl. What? You got no answers. Heres one..where you getting all your customers? King Steve says you cant advertise.
You shouldnt run a business. Obvious you dont have a fucking clue what it takes. Already insulting a potential customer. Yeah Im dubious. Im doubtful, unsure, uncertain, and have suspicion of anyone buying into this load of crap.
AB Bud Soon
Member
@ Doobius1.....I served in funeral service for over a decade...I got sick and tired of people accusing me and the industry of "preying" on the ill and the vulnerable. Fact of the matter is, yes, we turned a profit (made a living) from people dead and dying. We ran a business, just as you claim you run a business. Do you plan on breaking even every year? Or do you plan on turning a profit for your own personal gain? Doctors don't look after ill patients to earn enough money to break-even! They earn a shit load of money....yet I bet you don't call out your doctor as being insensitive and a vulture!! How about the jobs your Dr provides in his clinic?! I bet his staff wouldn't like to be called vultures, and they earn their keep from those same ill, injured and dying patients. Most people planning on becoming LPs have to hire staff, offset operating costs, and earn money for themselves.
If you don't like free-commerce, move to Cuba where everyone earns $25 a month and shut the hell up.
If you don't like free-commerce, move to Cuba where everyone earns $25 a month and shut the hell up.
Kootenaygirl
Active Member
Doobius1, I know what it means, I would explain the difference between production and construction costs but your words clearly say you have your mind made up and constructive dialogue will be in short supply from you very soon. Hope you see the light, when it shines on you, till then I will let our words speak for themselves, peace.
Doobius1
Well-Known Member
The thing is you havent answered a single question Ive asked you K girl. You have no answers. I never used the word vulture but will now...AB..Did I ruffle some vulture feathers? Heres a question. What chemical you all gonna use to control your upcoming mite problem? Is it gonna be safe for me to eat, smoke and vaporize? It would be really great if you can show us the label
R.Raider
Well-Known Member
Why would you just assume they're gonna have mite problems? I personally haven't seen mites since being a growing rookie 13 years ago.
Kootenaygirl
Active Member
Doobius1 questions...
Doctors signing was addressed.
Advertising, HC website, WOM, our website, these threads.
Conroy wins was addressed.
300-500k patients by 2024, yes we believe.
You'll buy from an LP because it will be cheaper than growing it yourself, the quality will be better than what your growing for $1.50/g, it will show you the percentages of THC/CBD's, and so the marihuana you are carrying is legal.
Greenhouses, equipment, and land, among many other things are not free the last time I checked.
Tomatoes compared to marihuana? The only comparison I can make is that both should be legal to grow yourself, tomato Production Growers make money off everybody including the sick and dying too, and prices should be set in a free market.
We do not use pesticides and have never seen mites in our ppgo, mites and other critters usually come from other growers, if you have rules and follow them, it should not be an issue. We are patients too and currently use all of our medicine ourselves. Time to start over again Doobius1, that is the only way you'll get rid of all your mites.
You clearly stated you were not and never would be a customer, so I thought we could debate a little. You'll either stop posting your doom and gloom, look ignorant or realize that you have gotten it all wrong and apologize.
Production Growers are the long term answer to prices, quality, safety, research, variety, availability, education, and the illicit market. Got any more questions?
Doctors signing was addressed.
Advertising, HC website, WOM, our website, these threads.
Conroy wins was addressed.
300-500k patients by 2024, yes we believe.
You'll buy from an LP because it will be cheaper than growing it yourself, the quality will be better than what your growing for $1.50/g, it will show you the percentages of THC/CBD's, and so the marihuana you are carrying is legal.
Greenhouses, equipment, and land, among many other things are not free the last time I checked.
Tomatoes compared to marihuana? The only comparison I can make is that both should be legal to grow yourself, tomato Production Growers make money off everybody including the sick and dying too, and prices should be set in a free market.
We do not use pesticides and have never seen mites in our ppgo, mites and other critters usually come from other growers, if you have rules and follow them, it should not be an issue. We are patients too and currently use all of our medicine ourselves. Time to start over again Doobius1, that is the only way you'll get rid of all your mites.
You clearly stated you were not and never would be a customer, so I thought we could debate a little. You'll either stop posting your doom and gloom, look ignorant or realize that you have gotten it all wrong and apologize.
Production Growers are the long term answer to prices, quality, safety, research, variety, availability, education, and the illicit market. Got any more questions?