Calling All Noob Growers

This thread should be a sticky?

  • Yes, it was very helpful

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  • No, this info is already covered

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riddleme

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Alot of this information was useful to me. Other parts of it dont make sense to me, I come from a family of botanists. I really dont wanna argue about it so I will leave it at that. Great info for newbs. As for the chemical thing I strongly disagree with using them. I condone the use of organics for your smoking pleasure. I have actually blind taste tested these two with my friends and organics won in a group of 30 people. :) To each his own tho. +rep for the help. Happy Growing

Glad ya liked it, was your test with the same strain, grown under the same conditions one organic one not and then cured the same? I'm curious?

Also please feel free to pm me with "the arguement":bigjoint:(part that didn't make sense?) I'd love your input!
 

riddleme

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:joint:...Ok so i just read ru ur thread an found it to be soil my bad but not entirely cause i have 5 new babies that just poped out of soil i said what the hell an go with soil too i cant loose by tryin both....
Yeah sorry I don't do hydro for that I would ask ShrubsFirst

But when ya get a soil grow going I'd love to check it out
 

EdGreyfox

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Heyas Riddle,

I'm going to be stopping by Paulino's after work tomorrow to get another bag or two of soil, and I may just have to pick up a bottle of the silica and see how well it works on a few of my blueberries. I'm assuming they have it hidden over with all the other dyna grow stuff where no one ever thinks to look for it at? :)

Tell me something, how far do you think you could push the genetics of a plant thats mostly Indica and that usually only goes about 4 ft tall? Do you think you could grow something in the 5-6 foot range by giving it extensive veg time and really pushing the nutes to the limits during flowering, or do you think you would just end up with an incredibly bushy plant that still topped out at around 4 ft? Once I finally get these Opiums to finish flowering I'm going to be putting some intensive work into my perpetual blueberry grow, and that's one of the things I want to test.
 

riddleme

Well-Known Member
Heyas Riddle,

I'm going to be stopping by Paulino's after work tomorrow to get another bag or two of soil, and I may just have to pick up a bottle of the silica and see how well it works on a few of my blueberries. I'm assuming they have it hidden over with all the other dyna grow stuff where no one ever thinks to look for it at? :)

Tell me something, how far do you think you could push the genetics of a plant thats mostly Indica and that usually only goes about 4 ft tall? Do you think you could grow something in the 5-6 foot range by giving it extensive veg time and really pushing the nutes to the limits during flowering, or do you think you would just end up with an incredibly bushy plant that still topped out at around 4 ft? Once I finally get these Opiums to finish flowering I'm going to be putting some intensive work into my perpetual blueberry grow, and that's one of the things I want to test.
Was at Paulinos today, they don't have it, I asked if they could order it as I would prefer to get it from a local business and they said they would call me tomorrow, so I will let ya know what they say

I don't have the answer to your other question but plan on trying it as well (great minds) I think it will get bushier but hey won't know for sure till we try it

house hunting going well though looking at 6 more this weekend, starting next grow soon :bigjoint:
 

EdGreyfox

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What part of town are you looking in? I'm over in Commerce City myself, and if you can handle having a lot of neighbors that don't speak English it's not such a bad place to live. I bought over here because it's close to work and the prices were good, and soon discovered that the areas a lot safer then a lot of people think it is. My coworkers from the south end of town (where I grew up) all act like i live in gang central, but in three years the only issue I've had is that too many of my neighbors have overpowered bass systems that they think they need to share with me and everyone else. :)
 

probo24

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Helpful as your post may be,
I find the term noob to be not
only offensive, vague, condescending,
and relitive. It also makes
me think you're a thirteen year old
videogamer.
No offense to you personally,
just giving my $00.02, wanted, or not.
 

riddleme

Well-Known Member
What part of town are you looking in? I'm over in Commerce City myself, and if you can handle having a lot of neighbors that don't speak English it's not such a bad place to live. I bought over here because it's close to work and the prices were good, and soon discovered that the areas a lot safer then a lot of people think it is. My coworkers from the south end of town (where I grew up) all act like i live in gang central, but in three years the only issue I've had is that too many of my neighbors have overpowered bass systems that they think they need to share with me and everyone else. :)
Yeah lookin in Denver westwood area sheridan wadsworth 6th ave trying to stay close to work right now I only drive 2 miles takes 8 minutes :bigjoint:

plus the houses are cheaper :bigjoint:
 

riddleme

Well-Known Member
Helpful as your post may be,
I find the term noob to be not
only offensive, vague, condescending,
and relitive. It also makes
me think you're a thirteen year old
videogamer.
No offense to you personally,
just giving my $00.02, wanted, or not.
well it was never meant to offend and I'm 53

actually I'm just typing less letters than spelling out newbie and if you read my post you'll see I use new grower more that noob when discussing it

nice avatar by the way
 

Blazed Hippie

Active Member
Glad ya liked it, was your test with the same strain, grown under the same conditions one organic one not and then cured the same? I'm curious?

Also please feel free to pm me with "the arguement":bigjoint:(part that didn't make sense?) I'd love your input!
Ill get into it with you for sure. I just need to talk to my parents ( i am NOT a botanist but I have heard things from their mouths that contradict you, I wanna be sure before I go against your findings, especially on a post). The test was the same strain it was near the same conditions as they were in different houses but with similar setups. We tried to get rid of every factor other than the organix and the chemicals. It was really the sour taste we got that we disliked in the chems sometimes a little harsher. Not bad tho really. In all seriousness if you wanna grow tons of bud, do chems. I myself do organics not only for my own tasting pleasure ( out here organics are worth 15-20 per 1/8 more than chemically grown, alot of dealer lie tho.... Thats why I stick with clubs. Clubs only accept organics, at least the ones i go to do.
 

Blazed Hippie

Active Member
Helpful as your post may be,
I find the term noob to be not
only offensive, vague, condescending,
and relitive. It also makes
me think you're a thirteen year old
videogamer.
No offense to you personally,
just giving my $00.02, wanted, or not.
hes not a professional writer his opinons were sometimes stated as facts in there. He did sound condescending at times but that is just his lack of being a educated writer. I dont mean ur uneducated I mean ur prolly not an english major lol.
 

riddleme

Well-Known Member
hes not a professional writer his opinons were sometimes stated as facts in there. He did sound condescending at times but that is just his lack of being a educated writer. I dont mean ur uneducated I mean ur prolly not an english major lol.

I thought I did pretty well for having quit school in the 8th grade :bigjoint:

So yeah def not an english major LOL
 

gumball

Well-Known Member
Wow, what is this "bash riddleme week"?

He has stated many times this is a re-learning experience for himself. It takes a lot to get on here and spend the time he does attempting to help people with the most factual information he could find. Shoot he even openly invited a debate with blazed hippie. He is a good "alternative" style grower. He varies his methods for everyone to learn from.

If I misread your quotes and you were not bashing riddle, then I apologize. But he is one of the members of riu that will help those that ask for it, and even try to help those that don't ask. I think he is an all around stand up guy.
 

streetlegal

Well-Known Member
lifes better with weed u know, it really really is.. and the more weed u have the better u feel,..
i love planning on smoking weed,.. like ill plan my shit out and end a list of tasks with a big toke and just zen the fuck out..
but theres other weed situations that are just as enjoyable, like u running out the door and u quickly slam some down all the time rushing, and u get that high mellow buzz while ur on the way to where it was u were going,.. and wen u get there u feel relaxed and calm and happy..
mj is great and versatile in so many situations, it brings my family and friends together and eases my aches nd pains.. it really is a peace herb,
nothing like its touted to be by the scared and ignorant..is this 'dirty clandestine drug'..
 

gumball

Well-Known Member
That's a good post streetlegal, I cannot agree more!

Too bad I will only be smoking on the leaves that have shed during this grow until my harvest cures. Its alright, I will enjoy the fruits of my labor even more when that time comes. Besides, the high aint bad, but I must use the BONG!
 

gumball

Well-Known Member
c said the blind man to the def dog!!

so did ya have yourself a good time? I hope so, i am sure your pain was well relieved.

was it from other medical growers? I n=know your legal right? must be nice. i have actually started coming down with arthritis in my hands and knees, and i am only 30! funny thing is i really dont smoke for pain, these symptons have just started showing themselves over the last 5 months. the point i am getting at is I just ran out of GOOD herb, as I mentioned earlier I would be smoken leaves till harvest, and boy since I have not had any GOOD my hands and knees have ached so bad.

I live in NC, and they have been talking bout legalizing legally. i think I may start to look into that. if i am 30 with pain now, it will prob be bad in a decade or two, and you know how fast that time will fly by. plus i may be able to help others in more pain than i depending on how it all goes. was it hard in your state to become a legal grower?
 

riddleme

Well-Known Member
c said the blind man to the def dog!!

so did ya have yourself a good time? I hope so, i am sure your pain was well relieved.

was it from other medical growers? I n=know your legal right? must be nice. i have actually started coming down with arthritis in my hands and knees, and i am only 30! funny thing is i really dont smoke for pain, these symptons have just started showing themselves over the last 5 months. the point i am getting at is I just ran out of GOOD herb, as I mentioned earlier I would be smoken leaves till harvest, and boy since I have not had any GOOD my hands and knees have ached so bad.

I live in NC, and they have been talking bout legalizing legally. i think I may start to look into that. if i am 30 with pain now, it will prob be bad in a decade or two, and you know how fast that time will fly by. plus i may be able to help others in more pain than i depending on how it all goes. was it hard in your state to become a legal grower?

yeah it's all medical, some pretty good strains too, tonite I got some Jack Herer and some Gods Gift, man the gods gift is stinky. It has been pretty cool here in CO since this so called green rush took off

Sorry to hear about your pain
 

gumball

Well-Known Member
no worries about the pain. dont get me wrong, it sucks. but it is what I look at as self inflicted. there was a point in my life when i realized what i was doing to my body was gonna come back and haunt me. besides, this vessel is only temporary, so i figure i am gonna get out of it all i can before it is spent. i am about to update some pic's, if ya wanna take a look.
 

EdGreyfox

Well-Known Member
Heyas Riddle,

I'm finally smoking my own bud, bud! The cola I harvested due to the hermie 10-12 days ago finished curing yesterday, and it turned out better then I expected. I've also got the yield from the plant I harvested last weekend curing now, and should be able to start testing it in a couple of days. That first cola was taken waaaay early, but other then having a bit of an odd smell to it it tastes just fine once it's cured. The bud I tested as soon as it was dried was really harsh, but 4 days in a jar took that all away. Its also got a very mellow kind of high that leaves you relaxed but not couchlocked or silly-stupid. The stuff I have curing was also taken early, so probably won't be much different, but you never know.

I've also been forced to chop down another one of my girls, though this one was a least close to being done. I'm out of space in my vegging room and have no choice but to start rotating in some more of the blueberries, so i have to make room in the flowering room for another two plants. The opiums are all into the 9th week of flowering and the one I took today looked done unitil you pulled out the magnifier, at which point less then 10% of the trichs had gone amber. I'm pretty sure I can rearrange the ones that are left so that they all get at least one more week to finish up, but at the rate they are ripening I wonder if they aren't going to need more like another month.
 

riddleme

Well-Known Member
I posted this to answer a question about hermies in another forum, thought it would be a good add here for all the folks that read this thread,I find it interesting that most do not understand that it can be totally NORMAL for hermies to happen,

here ya go,,,,,,,,,


THE marijuana GROWER'S GUIDE
by Mel Frank and Ed Rosenthal


Quote:
Sexual Variants in Cannabis
Cannabis has been studied for many years because of its unusual sexuality. Besides the normal dioecious pattern, where each plant bears exclusively male or female flowers, it is not uncommon for some plants to have both male and female flowers. These are called hermaphrodites, or monoecious plants, or intersexes. Hermaphroditic plants form normal flowers of both sexes in a wide variety of arrangements, in both random and uniform distributions.
Natural Hermaphrodites
Some hermaphrodites seem to be genetically determined (protogenous). That is, they naturally form flowers of both sexes given normal growing conditions. Possibly genes carried on the autosomes (the chromosomes other than the sex chromosomes) modify the normal sexual expression. Monoecious varieties have been developed by hemp breeders in order to ensure uniform harvests.
It is also possible that these particular are polyploid, which means they have more than the usual two sets of chromosomes. This kind of hermaphrodite may have XXY (triploid), or XXYY or XXXY (tetraploid) sex chromosomes. However, no naturally occurring polyploids have ever been verified (by observation of the chromosomes) in any population of Cannabis. Polyploids have been induced in Cannabis by using mutagens, such as the alkaloid colchicine.
Whatever then genetic explanation may be, one or more of these natural hermaphrodites may randomly appear in any garden. They are sometimes faster-maturing, have larger leaves, and are larger in overall size than their unisexual siblings. They usually form flowers of both sexes uniformly in time and distribution, and in some unusual patterns. For example, from Mexican seed, we have seen a plant on which separate flowering cluster consisted of both female and male flowers: and upper section of female flowers had upraised stigmas, and a lower section of male flowers dangled beneath the female flowers. In other plants from Mexican seed, the growing tips throughout the plant have female flowers; male flowers sprout from the leaf axils along the main stem and branches. Plants from "Thai" seed sometimes form male and female flowers on separate branches. Branches with female flowers tend to predominate, but branches having mostly male flowers are located throughout the plant.
Abnormal Flowers, Intersexes, Reversals
Gender is set in the new plant at the time of fertilisation by its inheritance of either the X or the Y chromosome from the male (staminate) plant. With germination of the seed, the environment comes into play. Heritage sets the genetic program, but the environment can influence how the program runs. (Sexual expression in Cannabis is delicately balanced between the two.) The photoperiod, for example, controls the plant's sequence of development. Also, the plant's metabolism and life processes are dependent on growing conditions. When the environment does not allow a balance to be maintained, the normal genetic program may not be followed. This is mirrored by abnormal growth or sexual expression.
{Figure 78. Upper left: Abnormal flowers. Lower left: Male flowers on afemale plant. Upper right: Sexes on separate branches. Lower right: Maleflower in female bud (reversing).}Abnormal Flowers
Abnormal sexual expression includes a whole range of possibilities. Individual flowers may form abnormally, and may contain varying degrees of both male and female flower parts. For instance, a male flower may bear a stigma; or an anther may protrude from the bracts of a female flower. Abnormally formed flowers are not often seen on healthy plants, although if one looks hard enough, a few may be found in most crops. When many of the flowers are abnormal, an improper photoperiod (coupled with poor health) is the most likely cause. Abnormal flowers sometimes form on marijuana grown out of season, such as with winter or spring crops grown under natural light.
Intersexes and Reversals Much more common than abnormally formed flowers is for the plant's sex to be confused. One may find an isolated male flower or two; or there may be many clusters of male flowers on an otherwise female plant, or vice versa. These plants are called intersexes (also hermaphrodites or monoecious plants). Intersexes due to environment causes differ from natural hermaphrodite in having random distributions and proportions of male and female flowers. In more extreme cases, a plant may completely reverse sex. For example, a female may flowers normally for several weeks, then put forth new, sparse growth, typical of the male, on which male flowers develop. The complete reversal from male flowering to female flowering also happens.
All other things being equal, the potency of intersexes and reversed plants is usually less than that of normal plants. If there are reversals or intersexes, both of the sexes will usually be affected. Female plants that reverse to male flowering show the biggest decline. Not only is the grass less potent, but the amount of marijuana harvested from male flowers is negligible compared to the amount of marijuana that can be harvested from a normal female. Plants that change from male to female flowering usually increase their potency, because of the growth of female flower bracts with their higher concentration of resin. Female flowers on male plants seldom form as thickly or vigorously as on a normal female. Between the loss in potency and the loss in yield because of females changing to males, a crop from such plants is usually inferior, in both yield and potency, to one from normal plants.
Environmental Effects
Many environmental factors can cause intersexes and sexual reversals. These include photoperiod, low light intensity, applications of ultraviolet light, low temperatures, mutilation or severe pruning, nutrient imbalances or deficiencies, senescence (old age), and applications of various chemicals (see bibliography on sex determination).
The photoperiod (or time of planting using natural light) is the most important factor to consider for normal flowering. In 1931, J. Schaffner (105) showed that the percentage of hemp plants that had confused sexual characteristics depended on the time of year they were planted. Normal flowering (less than five percent of the plants are intersexes) occurred when the seeds were sown in May, June, or July, the months when the photoperiod is longest and light intensity is strongest. When planted sooner or later in the year, the percentage of intersexuals increased steadily, until about 90 percent of the plants were intersexual when planted during November or early December.
marijuana plants need more time to develop than hemp plants at latitudes in the United States. Considering potency, size, and normal flowering, the best time to sow for the summer crop is during the month of April. Farmers in the south could start the plants as late as June and still expect fully developed plants.
If artificial light is used, the length of the photoperiod can influence sexual expression. Normal flowering, with about equal numbers of male and female plants, seems to occur when the photoperiod is from 15 to 17 hours of light for a period of three to five months. The photoperiod is then shortened to 12 hours to induce flowering. With longer photoperiods, from 18 to 24 hours a day, the ratio of males to females changes, depending on whether flowering is induced earlier or later in the plant's life. When the plants are grown with long photoperiods for six months or more, usually there are at least 10 percent more male then female plants. When flowering is induced within three months of age, more females develop. Actually, the "extra" males or females are reversed plants, but the reversals occur before the plants flower in their natural genders.
Some plants will flower normally without a cutting of the photoperiod. But more often, females will not form thick buds unless the light cycle is cut to a period of 12 hours duration. Don't make the light cycle any shorter than 12 hours, unless the females have not shown flowers after three weeks of 12-hour days. Then cut the light cycle to 11 hours. Flowers should appear in about one week.
Anytime the light cycle is cut to less than 11 hours, some intersexes or reversed plant usually develop. This fact leads to a procedure for increasing the numbers of female flowers indoors. The crops can be grown for three months under a long photoperiod (18 or more hours of light). The light cycle is then cut to 10 hours. Although the harvest is young (about five months) there will be many more female flower buds than with normal flowering. More plants will develop female flowers initially, and male plants usually reverse to females after a few weeks of flowering.
Of the other environmental factors that can affect sexual expression in Cannabis, none are as predictable as the photoperiod. Factors such as nutrients or pruning affect the plant's overall health and metabolism, and can be dealt with by two general thoughts. First, good growing conditions lead to healthy plants and normal flowering: female and male plants occur in about equal numbers, with few (if any) intersexes or reversed plants. Poor growing conditions lead to reduced health and vigour, and oftentimes to confused sex in the adult plant. Second, the age of the plants seems to influence reversals. Male plants often show female flowers when the plant is young (vigorous) during flowering. Females seven or more months old (weaker) often develop male flowers after flowering normally for a few weeks.
Anytime the plant's normal growth pattern is disrupted, normal flowering may be affected. For instance, plant propagated from cuttings sometimes reverse sex, as do those grown for more than one season.

the whole book can be read here,
http://www.marijuanagirls.com/Mariju...GrowGuide.html


Take note of the 10 hour lite cycle to induce more females,,,,,interesting stuff
 
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