burying bottom leaves

Jodon

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Hi I heard that if the bottom leaves get no light and the top ones do the plant tries to grow taller to compensate, I was wondering if anybody had any ideas on burying the bottom set of leaves to make it try to grow fast? If not a tent type thing to put over the bottom of the plant and not the top? Has anybody tried anything like this?
 

xxjohndeerexx

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Im no expert, But trying to invoke "Faster" growth by burying lower sets of leaves, Does Not sound like it will work. Ive heard of lolipoping(removing all the lower nodes) and burying a lot of the stalk to allow new roots to develop.

If anything it may cause the plant to stretch, as well as stress.

If you want your plants to stretch for whatever reason you could raise your lights higher. But its not faster growth your causing, its just extra growth. Leads to spaced out nodes.

Shading half the plant, and not the other half may also cause stress, leading to a plant turning hermie.

To have your plant grow as fast as it can, all you need to do is keep her happy and healthy.
 

churchhaze

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Shade avoidance isn't triggered by a lack of light, it's triggered by the "higher quality" colors being filtered out by the top layers, leaving only the "lower quality" colors for the lower leaves. The lower leaves will see the red filtered out, and trigger stretch.
 

Jodon

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I have a couple of autosim go into let go and do what they want, but I have some outdoors I want to mess around with, I want a lot ofbud and stem and whatever I can get, making butter and shatter so just using the whole plants for that, smoking the stuff I ordered. And what do you think would happen if I flowered under red light? I've heard controversy on this. Would it work it a decorative bulb with red glass or does the light need to be a specific one? Thank you.
 

OldSoul777

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I have a couple of autosim go into let go and do what they want, but I have some outdoors I want to mess around with, I want a lot ofbud and stem and whatever I can get, making butter and shatter so just using the whole plants for that, smoking the stuff I ordered. And what do you think would happen if I flowered under red light? I've heard controversy on this. Would it work it a decorative bulb with red glass or does the light need to be a specific one? Thank you.
Just stick to the KISS rule!
 

OldSoul777

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Hi I heard that if the bottom leaves get no light and the top ones do the plant tries to grow taller to compensate, I was wondering if anybody had any ideas on burying the bottom set of leaves to make it try to grow fast? If not a tent type thing to put over the bottom of the plant and not the top? Has anybody tried anything like this?
I have removed bottom nodes to force energy to the larger buds. the bottom nodes most times do not get enough light to produce big buds. Might as well compound that growth to upper nodes
 

Jodon

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I understand what you are all getting at, but as much as I enjoy the end product I am very interested in the mechanics, I like to experiment and if my plant turns hermi I try again, who cares I have all the time in the world to play around. I'm keeping it simple for my guaranteed females, I'm cropping topping and experiment just for the fun of it, not for huge harvest. Thanks for all of the great replies! Sorry for the terrible grammer in the last one, using a tablet :P
 

Jodon

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I have removed bottom nodes to force energy to the larger buds. the bottom nodes most times do not get enough light to produce big buds. Might as well compound that growth to upper nodes
Would it help to cut off the first set of leaves early once they get shady? Or wait for them to fall off? I topped my plant and it has 4 nodes coming out and the original grew back clean, then bent the new stem out of the way so the lower 4 get more light. Good knuckle starting
 

OldSoul777

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Would it help to cut off the first set of leaves early once they get shady? Or wait for them to fall off? I topped my plant and it has 4 nodes coming out and the original grew back clean, then bent the new stem out of the way so the lower 4 get more light. Good knuckle starting
Would it help to cut off the first set of leaves early once they get shady?
if you are leaving the node then leave the fan leaf under it. Even if a leaf is shaded it is still receiving light and working to supply energy to the plant. A leaf does not absorb 100% of the light. I think maybe 20% is absorbed, light continues to pass through the canopy.
I topped my plant and it has 4 nodes coming out and the original grew back clean, then bent the new stem out of the way so the lower 4 get more light.
Are you saying you have 4 nodes total? If you topped it and you have four nodes I would leave it just how it is. Some will grow to 7-8 nodes then top it around the 6th then remove the bottom 1-2 so you get a wine glass shaped plant and even light to the canopy. Bending the branches or LST ( low stress training) works great in conjunction with topping or even on its own. It sounds like you are doing just fine! Do you have a pic?
 
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Knott Collective

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Uh, not so much. Hate to see folks throwing away good yield by hacking up their plants. Sort of like saying to a bodybuilder "If you want to get big arms you need to cut off your legs. Force some of that energy up into your arms."

Pure interwebz BS people. If you want big buds down low it is necessary to keep the plant as healthy as possible during each stage of the life cycle - from strong mothers, to well done clones, to a good veg period and balanced feeding during flower with CO2 enhanced atmosphere. Avoid the excessive PK "boost" in late flower that fries leaves and creates fox tails. Lay off the carcinogenic "bud hardeners" and "yield enhancers" sold by snake-oil merchants. Like some have said here - KISS.

Below is a look at what you might be throwing away. I've posted a similar picture in another thread about defoliation and other "magical" hack methods. Notice how the lowest buds on the plants are substantial, dense and ready for the top shelf (given a proper dry, trim & cure). These buds don't get much light at all, they're shaded by tons of fan leaves and not a single leaf has been removed unless it was damaged by some odd reason. There's no nail-thru-the-stem, no broken & twisted branches , no lolli-popping, no boiled roots, no shaded lower half, no whatever. And this is at 6-7 weeks with another month to go!

Just good, old fashioned plant care produces great results. Plus it's cheaper and less work (until trimming time :bigjoint:)
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OldSoul777

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Uh, not so much. Hate to see folks throwing away good yield by hacking up their plants. Sort of like saying to a bodybuilder "If you want to get big arms you need to cut off your legs. Force some of that energy up into your arms."

Pure interwebz BS people. If you want big buds down low it is necessary to keep the plant as healthy as possible during each stage of the life cycle - from strong mothers, to well done clones, to a good veg period and balanced feeding during flower with CO2 enhanced atmosphere. Avoid the excessive PK "boost" in late flower that fries leaves and creates fox tails. Lay off the carcinogenic "bud hardeners" and "yield enhancers" sold by snake-oil merchants. Like some have said here - KISS.

Below is a look at what you might be throwing away. I've posted a similar picture in another thread about defoliation and other "magical" hack methods. Notice how the lowest buds on the plants are substantial, dense and ready for the top shelf (given a proper dry, trim & cure). These buds don't get much light at all, they're shaded by tons of fan leaves and not a single leaf has been removed unless it was damaged by some odd reason. There's no nail-thru-the-stem, no broken & twisted branches , no lolli-popping, no boiled roots, no shaded lower half, no whatever. And this is at 6-7 weeks with another month to go!

Just good, old fashioned plant care produces great results. Plus it's cheaper and less work (until trimming time :bigjoint:)
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Yes you absolutely need to take care of the basics and dont go crazy I agree 100% but he was asking about cutting lower nodes and topping which indicates he is most likely doing a confined grow. In your case you look like you have an entire room. Everyone has their own style of growing. If he is working with less space a SOG or SCROG is the perfect choice. 1 plant grown naturally will easily fill a 4x4 space compared to a SOG or SCROG 1 plant can be grown to fill the whole space but with a shit load of tops and way more bud. People wouldn't waste their time with this method if it did not work. My first grows were left to go natural but after I tried a SCROG an started topping I never went back. I only have a 4x4 area. below is a pic of the same method in a 3x3 tent. I never go those results letting it grow wild in a 4x4 space
 

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ayr0n

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Hi I heard that if the bottom leaves get no light and the top ones do the plant tries to grow taller to compensate, I was wondering if anybody had any ideas on burying the bottom set of leaves to make it try to grow fast? If not a tent type thing to put over the bottom of the plant and not the top? Has anybody tried anything like this?
The only application I can think of for this is to boost root growth / development in turn making your plant grow bigger / faster in the long run - RM3 showed some pics where he cut off a bunch of lower sites making fresh 'wounds' which were all buried below the soil creating new sites for roots to grow out of...kinda like the bottom of a fresh cutting, but in numerous locations on the stem...As much as the idea is intriguing, I wouldn't really spend time on it myself. It still seems counterproductive to remove anything unnecessarily, just to grow it back.


Also if stretch is what you're trying to minimize, there are dozens of better methods than burying leaves...temp change from night to day, and night temps particularly play a big role from what I've seen. The distance of your light and it's intensity, nutes, photoperiod, humidity, temps, nute availability, strain / pheno, etc all have some impact on stretch and these are all things that you have control over...
 

OldSoul777

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The first pic is the experiment, the second is midnight express auto fem. I have a couple others going also. I want to see how small I can get the 1 plant and still yield enough to keep me happy until next grow
Dont touch it! its still a baby it needs every leaf it has. I am not sure I would top an auto. maybe someone else will chime in.
 

vostok

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Hi I heard that if the bottom leaves get no light and the top ones do the plant tries to grow taller to compensate, I was wondering if anybody had any ideas on burying the bottom set of leaves to make it try to grow fast? If not a tent type thing to put over the bottom of the plant and not the top? Has anybody tried anything like this?
In very remote places of the world, tajekitstan, or west of Ürümqi ..the tribal peoples sex their plants by covering the lower section of the plant with girls dresses, Australasians in Perth do the same, allow it to sit for 10-14 days remove dress to see the sex of your plant, but you are trying to stretch your plants, use an hps in veg is the best way..!
 
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