Bulk Mushrooms - Wild Bird Seed Spawned to Horse Manure Mix

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redrum83420 said:
does wbs work better then rye grain? ive done bulk substrates, but i dont get flushes like yours tho. i have some coco coir ones going now, their almost ready to be birthed. after dunking is verm the best to roll them in then mist?
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Oh hell yes, rye grain works the best IMO. WBS is just cheaper and I'm so used to it by now though. :-)

But use rye grain if you can, good call.

I use coco coir in my bulk sub mix...I'll put up the mix list when I spawn the jars next week.

You used coco coir as part of your spawn jars?

For PF Tek cakes, once they're birthed, dunking them in water and rolling them in a bowl of vermiculite is a very wise thing to do

The TEK that evolved out of this 'dunk and roll' method was invented by hippie3, the guy that started the mushroom forum Mycotopia. (R.I.P. Hip; Janurary '10)
 
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sonar said:
I agree with someone else 100% on this one. I'm by no means a myco expert, but I'd give PF Tek a shot first. I just started fruiting my first batch and just knocked up my second round and have to say, while it does take a little time, it isn't all that difficult. I've been looking into bulk methods myself and decided to stay with pf tek for a little while mainly because of its simplicity. Plus you don't need a pressure cooker for pf tek. Once I get my technique down I might try my hand at some bulk, but for now pf tek is the way to go. Reading and doing research is essential, but it can only take you so far. Nothing beats actual experience IMO.

Quick tip if you decide to go the pf tek route and can't find brown rice flour or just want to save some moeny. Just buy plain old brown rice and grind it yourself if you have a blender. a 1 lb bag (like 75 cents) will easily get you 10-12 jars with a little left over. My food process didn't work so well, but my cheap blender ground it up quite nicely. Think I did a 1 lb bag in 3 batches and it's about as fine as anything you'd buy pre-ground.

Speaking of bulk, what do you think about using coco coir instead of horse manure? I wouldn't think coir would have much nutrients, but I've seen a few articles/grows online that people spawn WBS straight to coir with pretty good results. Wouldn't it have to be amended with worm castings or something like that? Maybe I'm looking at it from a cannabis perspective, but coco coir is pretty inert, almost like peat moss. Is the mycelium able to break down the coir and use it? Or am I mistaken and coir is only used as a casing?
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im deff going with the PF tek to learn this art. i was also planning on grinding up my own rice flour. :D
 
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In that case, you could probably make that work. Not sure what you feed the chickens, but depending on their diet, you could be sitting on shit goldmine...hahaha.

You are so right brother...so many advantages to having access to a farm.
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we feed them reg chicken feed and they are free range so they get all the goodies!
 
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sonar said:
I agree with someone else 100% on this one. I'm by no means a myco expert, but I'd give PF Tek a shot first. I just started fruiting my first batch and just knocked up my second round and have to say, while it does take a little time, it isn't all that difficult. I've been looking into bulk methods myself and decided to stay with pf tek for a little while mainly because of its simplicity. Plus you don't need a pressure cooker for pf tek. Once I get my technique down I might try my hand at some bulk, but for now pf tek is the way to go. Reading and doing research is essential, but it can only take you so far. Nothing beats actual experience IMO.

Quick tip if you decide to go the pf tek route and can't find brown rice flour or just want to save some moeny. Just buy plain old brown rice and grind it yourself if you have a blender. a 1 lb bag (like 75 cents) will easily get you 10-12 jars with a little left over. My food process didn't work so well, but my cheap blender ground it up quite nicely. Think I did a 1 lb bag in 3 batches and it's about as fine as anything you'd buy pre-ground.

Speaking of bulk, what do you think about using coco coir instead of horse manure? I wouldn't think coir would have much nutrients, but I've seen a few articles/grows online that people spawn WBS straight to coir with pretty good results. Wouldn't it have to be amended with worm castings or something like that? Maybe I'm looking at it from a cannabis perspective, but coco coir is pretty inert, almost like peat moss. Is the mycelium able to break down the coir and use it? Or am I mistaken and coir is only used as a casing?
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Yeah, you can use coco coir in substution of manure (maybe this is what you were talking about redrum), but re-colonization times are gonna go WAY up.

One of the more important things to know is that your bulk moisture levels are key. Too moist, and you risk contams. Too dry, and the spawn (that's already dried out from sitting in the jars for a month +) will continue to be dry, and colonization times will be affected.

Finding that happy-medium with just just a plain coco coir sub would take some experimentation. But it should work fine. It's coconut fibers, and that's a bio-nutrient.
 
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wally nutter said:
we feed them reg chicken feed and they are free range so they get all the goodies!
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Hmmmm, now that's pretty damn interesting for you my friend.

There's lots of possibilities for people with those kind of options...;-)

I'm glad you're taking the patient and wise move in going the PF Tek approach first.

I'll shut up about it after this, but I still use it because it works so damn well!

EDIT:

ALSO, grinding brown rice kernels into brown rice flour is great! Mycelium loves fresh food sources, and freshly ground brown rice is perfect.

GOOD RECOMMENDATION SONAR!
 
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someone else said:
Hmmmm, now that's pretty damn interesting for you my friend.

There's lots of possibilities for people with those kind of options...;-)

I'm glad you're taking the patient and wise move in going the PF Tek approach first.

I'll shut up about it after this, but I still use it because it works so damn well!
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no worries, i didnt know it was called "PF tek" but it was the method i was gunna do first anyway. i know the bulk runs take much more experience that i just dont have yet.

so im thinkin, in the spring summer, i wanna give outdoor cultivation a shot with the chicken manure!! mother earth's the best terrarium i can find at a reasonable price :D
 
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wally nutter said:
no worries, i didnt know it was called "PF tek" but it was the method i was gunna do first anyway. i know the bulk runs take much more experience that i just dont have yet.

so im thinkin, in the spring summer, i wanna give outdoor cultivation a shot with the chicken manure!! mother earth's the best terrarium i can find at a reasonable price :D
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Definitely happy for you man. Stay tuned to my bulk sub recipe next week.

With your chicken manure sub, you might need to cut in some gardening lime to reduce the acidity.

I add gardening lime to my bulk sub mix, but with chicken shit being more acidic, I'd add a little more than I will recommend.
 
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Definitely happy for you man. Stay tuned to my bulk sub recipe next week.

With your chicken manure sub, you might need to cut in some lime to reduce the acidity.

I add lime to my bulk sub mix, but with chicken shit being more acidic, I'd add a little more than I will recommend.
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good to know.

goood stuffs goin on mannn!
 
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i use rye grain. i buy it for $18.75 with tax for a 56lbs bag of it. the coco coir i pasteurize in a cooler over night. then ring out as much water as i can by hand, then mix with my colinized grain.
i have 2 like this 1 almost ready to dunk, roll, and birth
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redrum83420 said:
i use rye grain. i buy it for $18.75 with tax for a 56lbs bag of it. the coco coir i pasteurize in a cooler over night. then ring out as much water as i can by hand, then mix with my colinized grain.
i have 2 like this 1 almost ready to dunk, roll, and birth
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Wow, well you get better deals on rye grain than I do!

But wait a minute, did you say you pasteurized the coco coir in the cooler overnight?

Pasteurization happens at over 160 degrees F.

Putting anything in the frig is gonna bring it to near freezing, but not nearly enough to kill harmful bacteria.
 
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he probably has his cooler rigged as a temp controlled box...I use a cooler as a spare IC with a gallon milk jug of hot water...twice a day keeps it perfect...;)
 
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Wow, well you get better deals on rye grain than I do!

But wait a minute, did you say you pasteurized the coco coir in the cooler overnight?

Pasteurization happens at over 160 degrees F.

Putting anything in the frig is gonna bring it to near freezing, but not nearly enough to kill harmful bacteria.
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i used a cooler to keep my temps up. i boil water then dump it over the coir. sorry i should have worded that a little better.
 
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mojoganjaman said:
he probably has his cooler rigged as a temp controlled box...I use a cooler as a spare IC with a gallon milk jug of hot water...twice a day keeps it perfect...;)
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there is some confusion here: he used the word 'pasteurization'.

What he was doing was far from pasteurization.

So it's important to note, most especially for the newer growers trying to make sense of this thread.

If you attempt to spawn to unpasteurized bulk substrates like he was doing with coco coir, don't be surprised to find a lot of contams in the end.
 
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redrum83420 said:
i used a cooler to keep my temps up. i boil water then dump it over the coir. sorry i should have worded that a little better.
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Gotcha, well done.

What you have is called a heatbox...that comes much later for me.

Try to stay with where I'm at with the thread. Even though I do appreciate the participation, I don't want to mass-confuse anyone.

Thanks.

;-)
 
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2lbs was the return on your kits I was confused. ....................Anyhow 2lbs doesnt last long around here :) I just want to do enough to last me a long time so I dont constantly have this "thing" going on all the time. How long until you have pics of the fruiting chamber filled with your creation?
 
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flawlesscrew said:
2lbs was the return on your kits I was confused. ....................Anyhow 2lbs doesnt last long around here :) I just want to do enough to last me a long time so I dont constantly have this "thing" going on all the time. How long until you have pics of the fruiting chamber filled with your creation?
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Can't set your watch by it brother...you've got a lot to learn. :-)

It'll be sometime next year, how's that?
 
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next year gotcha WOW!!! I will wait patiently..................WTF!!!! I do have a lot to learn Im new here so not sure what it is your getting at pal but I will try your WBS and shit mix and see what happens thanks for you help. This is far tooooo funny.
 
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flawlesscrew said:
next year gotcha WOW!!! I will wait patiently..................WTF!!!! I do have a lot to learn Im new here so not sure what it is your getting at pal but I will try your WBS and shit mix and see what happens thanks for you help. This is far tooooo funny.
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With mushrooms, grow conditions are fluid; meaning they can change day-to-day, week-to-week, sometimes dramatically fast, such as an unchecked drop in humidity, or a lack of regular, fresh air.

Because of this naturally extreme variability (most especially since I haven't worked with this strain for over a year), I won't be able to gauge when I'll have fruit in my grow chamber.

Just sit back and check this thread out in about a week. That's when I plan on spawning the jars to a pasteurized horse manure bulk substrate.
 
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