Breeding same strain

Someone said that you can't breed the same strain, example: if I grow afgan kush and one's a male can I polinate the female and get viable seeds?

yes of course you can. you may end up with a mixed bag of phenos that your not expecting to get.

Thanks, not sure I understand the word phenos, can you elaborate? I feel like a dummy.

when you grow a pack of seeds theres some plants better than others some will be big some small smells may be diferrent people keep their best phenos as a mother plant or breeding
you can breed the same strain but the hardest part of breeding is finding the best male you can make the strain stronger and more stable but if you pick a shitty father plant its not going to be as good you can tell your best female easly but it takes expeirence for picking males

DeeTee said:

Thanks, not sure I understand the word phenos, can you elaborate? I feel like a dummy.

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Yea and to determine if the male was/is good you would have to grow the off spring and see what it produces.. I pick my males based on smell and structure so far I've been getting winners(knock on wood)

also, phenos can vary a lot of you back cross a cross of 2 different strains. when you first do it, you get plants that are mostly in between the two original parents, but when you back cross, you get a full pheno expression with a wide variety of offspring with a mix of each parents traits. when you back cross & select enough times though, then you stabilize a strain and have something that will "breed true" like the original IBLs (in-bred land races) that were the original building blocks of everything.

you don't want to keep in-breeding though. once you stabilize a strain, in-breeding will eventually lead to genetic waning the same way keeping a clone mother too long or taking clones of clones can happen making you need some fresh new genes to restor hybrid vigor.

Hey thanks a lot for all the response, gives me something to think abt.

if you'd like to do a little reading on the subject, i bet there's at least SOME info on breeding as well as all kinds of useful info about everything else here
http://www.greenmanspage.com/guides/breeding.html
i even skipped to the breeding link for ya, but check out the home page. there's a lot of free info there

Hell Yes you can. Are you crazy. Get Viable seeds.

DeeTee said:

Someone said that you can't breed the same strain, example: if I grow afgan kush and one's a male can I polinate the female and get viable seeds?

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hazey grapes said:

also, phenos can vary a lot of you back cross a cross of 2 different strains. when you first do it, you get plants that are mostly in between the two original parents, but when you back cross, you get a full pheno expression with a wide variety of offspring with a mix of each parents traits. when you back cross & select enough times though, then you stabilize a strain and have something that will "breed true" like the original IBLs (in-bred land races) that were the original building blocks of everything.

you don't want to keep in-breeding though. once you stabilize a strain, in-breeding will eventually lead to genetic waning the same way keeping a clone mother too long or taking clones of clones can happen making you need some fresh new genes to restor hybrid vigor.

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If I breed 2 random seeds from an established strain,say Afgan Kush,would the resulting seeds be called f2s,have another designation,or no designation at all?

Yes if they are f1 then they will be f2 and so on

i don't get into all that technical stuff. i just read and re-read cervante's plain english decription of how to create a stable strain and use that definition.

cross your parents creating a hybrid. back cross those creating a BX (that's the term i use) then split your offspring into two separate lines with 2 males and two females and select for desired traits in as wide a field as possible, preferably at least 100, and then repeat the process for something like 3-4 generations until you've created 2 lines that share the traits you were breeding for and then you can chose a male from one line and your female from the other for a true breeding strain.

all of that f2 diploid, triploid, polyhybrid 4 square recessive mumbo jumbo goes in one ear and out the other with me. i just know the basics and am happy enough with that knowledge. even if i wanted to make a true breeding strain, i don't have the space or citizenship for that matter to do it. i just pick my favorite strains from everything i've tried as my parents and let my chosen males, so far just selected for shorter stature with C99 and faster flowering with my C99xA11 male last time. i'm just having fun making beans, nothing technical, and no more than a a couple females of any strain to select from as breeders.

i appreciate quality, but not as fanatically as many here that turn their nose up at even growing a strain without testing at least 50 females for a keeper. most of the stuff i've grown has made me happy as i've bought strains that get you high almost exclusively and THAT is all i care about. any strain that doesn't make me a stoned drooling fidiot works for me. i do all of my selecting at the strain level.

the only serious pheno variation i've seen so far was in my masterkush autos where i had 3 distinct phenoes, a big blonde amazon, 2 dark green shorties and one outstanding shortie that had dark, but deep crimson seed pods that i selected as a color breeder. the only other grow i've done where i had multiples of a strain was my 1st C99 grow where a couple were tall and 3 of them were shorter, but they smoked about the same.

you'd learn more about advanced breeding by reading than talking to me. i've pretty much shared all i know already... just the basics.

oh yeah... and test your males too.