Breeder says 5% of FS Lemon Kush shoot nanners in flower. Does 5%= RECESSIVE trait?!

elkamino

elkamino

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I've an Attitude freebie Female Seeds Lemon Kush 6 weeks into 12-12 and although its best-in-garden beautiful, super lemony and crazy vigorous I may harvest 2 weeks early because it just started sprouting a few male flowers.:o

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Female Seeds' Lemon Kush, 6 weeks into flower and sproutin nanners

As a freebie I didn't note the breeder's on-site warning before I sprouted em. (http://www.femaleseeds.nl/en/lemon-kush-13.html) cautions that it happens to 1:20 seeds:

This tasty cannabis strain is now on sale, because 1 plant in 20 may show male flowers. If you can keep an eye on them and seperate them on time, you have a superb cannabis strain for a low price.


WTF should I do. Most trichs are already cloudy but the buds are still bulking up madly and should still get way bigger- its supposed to be a 8-9 week strain. So I could chop her but... she'll get way bigger/better! I've no other place to put her, and I've other plants that flipped at the same time but all are slower... with pistils eager to accept her pollen. So currently I'm plucking nanners every day, there's just like 5 daily, and I should be able to keep at it daily. If I let it keep flowering, it may sneak some pollen by me. Mine's just a personal med garden, so I'd be okay with a few seeds, in fact I'd welcome them-if they're fem. But not if they're "hermi".

So my question: if the breeder says these nanners are found on just 1:20 or 5% of the girls, does that mean the nanner trait (I hesitate to call it Hermi because I don't think it is, technically) is recessive? Because if its recessive, then when the pollen crosses with my other girls I should get hermi-free, all-female seeds, right? Or is 1:20 still no guarantee that the trait is recessive?

Thanks in advance, a young girl's life is on the line...:joint:
 
stickyhits

stickyhits

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I would guess that it happens more often then they say. You really think the one freebie you got was the 1 out of 20 long shot? They know their strain is hermie and are probably trying to make it sound better by saying it's rare but if it was that rare they probably wouldn't mention it. I would throw away any seeds found from it.
 
vostok

vostok

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5%= RECESSIVE ..? ever wondered what happened to all those Detroit car salesmen, they are now selling seeds ...lol repressiveness in truth is far far higher, feminized seeds I put at about 20% or 1:5...and as for herming and feminizing its really just the same thing one accidentally the other purposely
 
elkamino

elkamino

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I agree with y'all in "don't spread the genetics." And I wouldn't, at least not unless I witnessed them be all-FEM for a few grows. I could however try them solely in my grow... BUT ONLY IF they're female, and not hermi.

Vostok I agree, there is shadiness in the seed marketing game. But why would an all-FEM company note in just ONE of thier strain descriptions that they experience 5% hermi? Why not others? Or other companies? Doesn't make sense to me, even when considering shady motives.

So back to the question: Do the 5% that produce nanners have offspring that are all fem? Or will 5% (or 2.5%, or 10%) be herm? Can it even be known?

Assuming that the breeder is truthful when saying that just 5% show male flowers late in 12-12, can that be understood to mean the trait is recessive? (If it wasn't recessive it should show at 50% or greater, right? Sorry I try to wrap my head around genetics but I do get confused...) If its recessive, in order for male flowers to show in the next round it would need to pair with another recessive, and none of my other plants show males. Can the herm tendencies be determined mathematically? Or is it obscured in the hidden genome world?!

Thanks!
 
J

JointOperation

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it cant really be known. if its hermi or not. or just stress. but u need to get rid of the nanners.. if need be pull them off .. with wet fingers so the pollen doesnt spread.. then if needed pull off the nug with the nanners .. but other then that. unless u see tons of nanners.. just check the plant over get them all. and watch it till harvest.. but id get rid of any clones of that strain and start something new..

that 5% is more like 10 .. its just he used a strain or clone that was hermi prone... alot of amazing genetics are hermi prone.. but if its hermi prone its not worth keeping usually.. it becomes more of a hassle.. and gets tossed normally. but i think he crossed 2 plants that had hermi prone if stressed enough. and then bam. u got genetics that will more then likely hermi.. sucks

i found in about 20 packs of all different breeders gear.. that hermis are in there lol. it happens.. when i was searching for a female to make feminized seeds with.. i stressed the shit out of 15 different females.. the entire flower cycle to see how and if and when they hermied.. out of the 15 kinds.. i found 3 females.. that wouldnt hermi at all.. i used those 3 .. and kept stressing them in a lil cab i built to make seed... and nothing no hermis with nute stress .. environmental stress.. nothing.. so i used Colodial silver. and sprayed 1.. and im making fem seeds.. and i will use the other 2 also.. to reverse and use to make seeds.. this is the only way I KNOW to REALLY AVOID HERMIS in FEM Seeds.


goodluck man.. hermis suck.. i have tossed out sooooo much cash that i spent on genetics buying seed packs.. that i needed to start making my own seeds if i want to keep popping seeds as often as i do.. it got to expensive.. i was spending 1000s of dollars on genetics.. only to find Lots of Decent Bud.. and Lots of females that arent worth breeding with .. dont get me wrong. i do keep some females that hermi.. but only the ones that hermi because of tons of stress.. i grow them in diff rooms.. if they dont hermi for like a few years of growing without stress. then i use them in Regular Crosses and seeds.. and i do hit a few with some female pollen.. but its more of a hobby and keeping myself busy and keeping variety in my jars.
 
elkamino

elkamino

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JointOperation said:
it cant really be known. if its hermi or not. or just stress. but u need to get rid of the nanners.. if need be pull them off .. with wet fingers so the pollen doesnt spread.. then if needed pull off the nug with the nanners .. but other then that. unless u see tons of nanners.. just check the plant over get them all. and watch it till harvest.. but id get rid of any clones of that strain and start something new..

that 5% is more like 10 .. its just he used a strain or clone that was hermi prone... alot of amazing genetics are hermi prone.. but if its hermi prone its not worth keeping usually.. it becomes more of a hassle.. and gets tossed normally. but i think he crossed 2 plants that had hermi prone if stressed enough. and then bam. u got genetics that will more then likely hermi.. sucks

i found in about 20 packs of all different breeders gear.. that hermis are in there lol. it happens.. when i was searching for a female to make feminized seeds with.. i stressed the shit out of 15 different females.. the entire flower cycle to see how and if and when they hermied.. out of the 15 kinds.. i found 3 females.. that wouldnt hermi at all.. i used those 3 .. and kept stressing them in a lil cab i built to make seed... and nothing no hermis with nute stress .. environmental stress.. nothing.. so i used Colodial silver. and sprayed 1.. and im making fem seeds.. and i will use the other 2 also.. to reverse and use to make seeds.. this is the only way I KNOW to REALLY AVOID HERMIS in FEM Seeds.


goodluck man.. hermis suck.. i have tossed out sooooo much cash that i spent on genetics buying seed packs.. that i needed to start making my own seeds if i want to keep popping seeds as often as i do.. it got to expensive.. i was spending 1000s of dollars on genetics.. only to find Lots of Decent Bud.. and Lots of females that arent worth breeding with .. dont get me wrong. i do keep some females that hermi.. but only the ones that hermi because of tons of stress.. i grow them in diff rooms.. if they dont hermi for like a few years of growing without stress. then i use them in Regular Crosses and seeds.. and i do hit a few with some female pollen.. but its more of a hobby and keeping myself busy and keeping variety in my jars.
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That's some straightup advice JO, thanks. Wish I had "diff rooms" to grow out plants of mine that toss out a few nanners late in flower!

But yeah, the clones are all tossed, and I'm on serious Nanner Patrol daily. Fortunately its down to zero or 1 per day... and I've just got a week/10 days to go...!

Plus rep and good luck with your next run!
 
J

JointOperation

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that's what we are here for right:? give good advice.. take advice.. and learn as much as possible.. while making friends and helping the new growers get there foot in the door.
 
NeWcS

NeWcS

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I have one of these a couple weeks into flower. Ill try to keep you guys updated if she trips out. cheers
 
elkamino

elkamino

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NeWcS said:
I have one of these a couple weeks into flower. Ill try to keep you guys updated if she trips out. cheers
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Sounds great NeWcS! For what its worth, the LK went through about a week of nanner-sprouting, between 1 and 10/day. Now I don't think I've seen one for a week, despite scouring each cola every day for them. She's still strong and healthy and I should get a pretty good yield. I'm guessing I'll chop at 9 weeks, that's just 8 days out.

Good luck.
 
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