Boiling Point of THC?

Discussion in 'General Marijuana Growing' started by Joker52, Dec 14, 2008.

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    Joker52

    Joker52 Well-Known Member

    I'm buying a volcano classic vaporizer with my X-Mas money. I was wondering the temp i shoudl set it at to boil the THC but not burn the bud. I heard it was 290 but people are setting their volcano's up to 400 degrees. Does anyone know if you can extract all the thc out of the bud on a low setting (like 3-5 on the classic).
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    NoDrama

    NoDrama Well-Known Member

    Its right around 300, actually you can go as low as 250F, but that doesn't get all the THC to burn off. You get better faster results by going higher temp, but once you go too far the material starts to smoke, which is what your trying to avoid. The trick is to use small amounts and spread it well around so it can get all up to temp quickly.
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    Joker52

    Joker52 Well-Known Member

    300 is like a 4 on the classic. Most people are doing it at 6. I'm just wondering if the higher temps are canceling out the health benefits. Then the point of using it is lost. If it's at 300 it should get it all right?
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    NoDrama

    NoDrama Well-Known Member

    yep, 300 should do it.
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    nunof

    nunof Well-Known Member

    I bought a volcano vaporizer and had the same questions. This is the study I read through to figure it out.

    http://www.maps.org/mmj/vaporizerstudy4.15.03.pdf

    In the study, it clearly states that the volcano was turned to its highest setting. Even with the highest setting the volcano only produced 5 items:

    THC
    CBD
    CBN
    Essential Oil found in Cannibus
    Polynuclear Airomatic Hydrocarbon

    I use the digital at 446deg, this allows for the full bowl to get in one bag. Remember if you just use the boiling point of THC (392deg) you will miss out on CBD and CBN which are oxydized THC. CBD and CBN boil at about 440deg and give indicas the couchlock effect that medical users desire. Although, it is fun to sometimes crank it down and get a sativa like high from any weed by just getting the THC.

    I vap at the highest temp, I have done this through many guess and check trials and have found that to get the full effect of a vap bowl this is necessary.
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    Joker52

    Joker52 Well-Known Member

    so basically, the volcano isn't capable of burning the bad crap?
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    nunof

    nunof Well-Known Member

    Yup

    Burning adds like 105 carcinogens and bad thingies.
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    KaliKitsune

    KaliKitsune Well-Known Member

    Vaporizing point of Delta-9 Tetrahydrocannibinol = 351F
    boiling point = 394F
    Vaporization point of CBD and CBN = ~430-440F
    highest temp you can get without physically burning marijuana = 454F

    Your choice as to which temp you'll use. I stick around 400 on my vape. gives me the cleanest head highs. Dunno what that'd be on a volcano.
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    Joker52

    Joker52 Well-Known Member

    Nice, I'll probably set it to like 6-7. Can't WAIT!
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    Joker52

    Joker52 Well-Known Member

    sorry for double post but I just checked the volcano temps. The scale ranges from 1-9, corresponding to temperatures of 130°C (266°F) to 226°C (439°F). So the highest setting will definetly not burn, and anything less is more head high.
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    atmt888

    atmt888 Well-Known Member

    I had a volcano and found it best to turn it up all the way until the vapor just starts to come out then reduce to 2 or 3 and put the bag on. It's been a few years though.
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    NoDrama

    NoDrama Well-Known Member

    from Wiki, not necessarily the most reliable source out there, but better than what I could dig up in a public library.

    "Few vaporizer studies/reviews have really addressed the quality of the vapor extracted and delivered. Most studies/reviews have tended to focus on the mode of usage of the vaporizers and not the quality of the vapor extracted and delivered. When one considers that the active compounds in Cannabis number at least 60-70 in quantity and that the aromatic terpinoids begin to vaporize at 126 °C, but the more bio-active cannabidiol (CBD), Cannabinol (CBN), and delta-9-tetrahydrocannabinol (THC) do not vaporize until near their respective flash points: CBD 206.3 °C[6], CBN 212.7 °C[7], THC 149.3 °C[8] then it becomes apparent that the only way to get a full spectrum vapor inhalation is to extract and deliver rapidly from a small sample at a time. Because most commercial vaporizers are slow in extraction and delivery, the vapor inhaled is first aromatic, but only minimally active; and then as the apparent temperature rises, the vapor becomes increasingly bio-active, but minimally aromatic as most of the aromatics already released. Only rapid extraction and delivery approaches such as the sequential Venturi vaporization chamber bowls with a hot air gun or heat wand enable inhalation of fuller spectrum vapor. By utilizing a sequential Venturi effect, the actual level of condensation of the vapor can be greatly improved over hoses or balloon capture approaches because the vapor extracted and delivered is more condensed, without needing higher temperatures that tend to lead to hybrid smoke/vapor."
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    Joker52

    Joker52 Well-Known Member

    um, what?...
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    KaliKitsune

    KaliKitsune Well-Known Member

    In other words most vaporizers usually start out by getting rid of the oils that give the smoke a respective flavor and smell, by the time you start getting actual THC and good stuff, the stuff that gives flavor and smell has been long-vaporized, leaving you with tasteless smoke.

    I agree, using a heat gun with a water pipe is the fastest and most efficient way to vaporize. First time doing that was in Quebec, I couldn't move after the second hit.
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    atmt888

    atmt888 Well-Known Member

    I think that x-mas money would be better spent on pot. The volcano is novel and definitly the best vaporizor i have ever used, but the buzz always left me wanting more. We would usually end up smoking the brown leftovers which would always induce almost instant couch lock. Having said that, one of my fondest pot related memories was having filled up the volcano's roll-up bag until it stretched from the far wall in the kitchen in my apartment all the way to the couch in the living room. I was partaking with at least 4-5 other people and we spent a couple hours trying to empty that bag into our lungs. After a couple hours we would just sit on the couch with the nozzle while someone else would jump on the bag. It's an experience that everyone should have at least once.
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    nunof

    nunof Well-Known Member

    There is nothing "novel" about the volcano vaporizer. It gives a better high (no dry buggy eyes or burned throat) than a bowl can give and its healthier. This is my experience as a heavy marijuana user, but everyone has there own preference. I don't know how well lower end vaporizers work, but I have used a heatgun/waterbong combo and its not nearly as effective (imho). Anyways, if you are worried about the negative health effects of smoking pot, the vap is the way to do it.
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    R1b4z01d

    R1b4z01d Well-Known Member

    Vape all the thc then uses the left over vaped weed to make butter. This is contains mostly Cbn & CBd. Best to put you to sleep.
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    Joker52

    Joker52 Well-Known Member

    I got a pure bong. It's the smoothest shit you can find but it's still smoke. I was hoping a vap would be better for my throat and lungs. (i smoke alot)
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    nunof

    nunof Well-Known Member

    It will be much better on throat and lungs. You will still cough because TCH is an expectorant, but it is in no way harsh or burny.
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    Malevolence

    Malevolence New Member

    Vaporizers make me cough harder than smoking... I guess it's something to do with moisture/vapor in my lungs.

    I know the thread is old... don't care... came up in google.

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