Black Dog Secrets

ProHuman

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I have been trying to find out what exactly the type of bulbs Black Dog uses by writing to them. Unfortunately, they informed me that it is top secret, and top of the line stuff. Here is my transcripts:

I bought a 360U, and so far I am very pleased with it.I have read the type of bulbs used make a difference.
I was wondering what type of bulbs you use in your lights?
Are they name brand like Cree or Sylvania, or are they cheaper type bulbs?


Thanks for contacting Black Dog LED. We use a number of different, high end manufacturers to source our LEDs. We need do this because no single manufacturer can provide all the different colors we use, with the quality and reliability of light needed to meet our industry leading standards. Our spectrum, the most complex on the market, is highly proprietary so we are very careful about providing specific details, our website does have some helpful information.
That being said, we have the most comprehensive warranty in the LED grow light market and only use high quality LEDs, absolutely no short-cuts, no knock-offs.
Hope you enjoy your light and if you have any questions about gardening with it, do not hesitate to email or call us.


Can you tell me the high end manufacturers of the bulbs you use? As each type of color is made, I would like to know who makes them, specifically. The website does not provide these details.

I assure we do not cut corners when we decide on any of our light's parts, including the LEDs. We have spent a lot of time running side-by-side tests to determine not only what works, but what works best; what's needed, and what isn't. Our light's spectrum is proprietary, I can tell you it includes everything from UVA to IR, with several reds, blues, amber, green... Each of the colors we include targets a specific need for the plant to maximize growth, flowering, yield and quality.
We offer a 90 day return policy on one light; if you grow with it for up to 90 days and you don't agree that it is the best plant light you've ever grown with, we'll refund your money (minus shipping costs, and up to a 10% restocking fee if the unit is not in good condition). We're sure once you grow with a Black Dog LED light, you'll be impressed with what our light can do.


I wonder what else I can do to get this info from them. Does the Black Dog team really hide the fact that they use inferior products? Or are they trying to protect their light systems against copycats?
 

mc130p

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I don't have any problems with a BD240U that I use for a 2x2 space. I don't understand why everyone talks shit about them...the only problems my plants ever have are problems I've caused.
 

ProHuman

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You don't think it would be an ideal practice to keep this type of info out of the public eye? If a company does research, and finds certain manufacturers make better lights than others regarding color, (as they say) one would think that that info would not be shared. People can easily duplicate the lights for a cheaper cost, if they had that information, and Black Dog would lose customers.

People say "you get what you pay for" and Black Dog is an expensive light. I have been seeing pretty good results from it so far, compared to the HIDs I have used in the past.
 

Bad Karma

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I don't have any problems with a BD240U that I use for a 2x2 space. I don't understand why everyone talks shit about them...
Black Dog overdrives their nameless diodes, which increases their effectiveness, but also shortens their lifespan. I've been watching your BD grow on here, and it's been very nice, so far. If you're still getting those kind of results in another year, or two, I'd be surprised. I wish you nothing but the best with your garden, I just don't trust Black Dog.
 

mc130p

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I see, that's cool. Everything seems fine with the light so far, so I'll keep posting updates on the plants it grows. Then when it breaks, I'll post about the use of the warranty :) I don't know, but I thought diodes are designed to be run at 70% max rating, so with that many 5W diodes, 240W is not overdriven, imho. Hopefully I'm not posting about a warranty issue anytime soon though, haha
 

PSUAGRO.

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I see, that's cool. Everything seems fine with the light so far, so I'll keep posting updates on the plants it grows. Then when it breaks, I'll post about the use of the warranty :) I don't know, but I thought diodes are designed to be run at 70% max rating, so with that many 5W diodes, 240W is not overdriven, imho. Hopefully I'm not posting about a warranty issue anytime soon though, haha

Yeah they are using above average parts including the diodes, or we would see a good amount of failures by now on these forums about the Universal series. Nothing top-bin obviously, probably epiled/epistar/bridge/semi. Most of the cost is on that big heatsink. Still don't think their using real 5w emitters, just stacked stuff IMO.....perronero never responded to our ??? about it sooooooooooo:p

Can you take a picture of the heatsink for us???? they claim largest in the industry which is BS.......CLW takes it due to using REAL 5watters which run HOT in those small cases with big watt output.
 

ProHuman

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I know the light puts off a lot more heat than I expected. I assumed a booster fan would keep temps under control, but I ended up upgrading to a centrifugal fan. I can take a couple photos later, including the heatsink inside the case. It is pretty big, and quite heavy.
 

ProHuman

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OK..
I got some photos of the light, and I can list the specifications, these specs taken from their website: http://www.blackdogled.com/BD360-U.html
I apologize for the quality of the photos, best I can do.





Specifications
Flowering Footprint: 3’ x 3’
Vegetative Footprint: 4’ x 4’
Size: 15” x 15” x 5” (380 x 380 x 120mm)
Weight: 23lb (10.5kg)
True Wattage: 340w
LED Wattage: 700w
Number of LEDs: 140
Amp Draw: 2.8A~1.4A
Voltage: AC 85V~264V
Work Frequency: 50~60 Hz
Operating Temperature Range: -20~40°C

More detailed information abotu this grow located here:
https://www.rollitup.org/Journal/Entry/prohuman-led-closet-grow.28301/#comment-33756
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:?::confused::?:
Still want opinions from others about protecting their "proprietary Phyto-genesis Spectrum™"
Is it bullshit, or are they protecting something they discovered?
 

mc130p

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I don't think I can take any better pics than what ProHuman has posted. They have a "Warranty Void if Removed" sticker on the case, so you can't really take it apart to get a good pic of the guts. Sorry, Psu!

Personally, I don't see a problem with proprietary information- they did the work to develop the light and it's their decision if they want to share the specific details about the components and the assembly. Either they put out a good product that people stick with, or their proprietary information goes the way of the trash can when they go out of business:)
 

Yodaweed

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They charge top prices for their LED but use average to above average parts.... and that's why I would not buy a BS led.
 

ProHuman

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I am not scientific in ways I see others on these forums. It would be interesting to see how specific diodes match up compared to others, in regards to companies and particular light spectrums. If a certain manufacturer makes better reds than blues, or better UV than IR, etc. as Black Dog states. This information would be able to determine with a tool of some kind. Are there any LED Do-It-Yourself'ers who have any experience in seeing such differences?
Also. I would not want to disassemble my expensive light because I probably would not be able to put it back together, but do the diodes have company stamps or labels on them?
 

FranJan

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Wish we could get a peak at the drivers, cause what's on the website is useless. And -1 for Phyto-Genesis, at least I never bought into it. Plus 5 watt diodes are so...wrong. And light leaks. And heavy ass panels. And Zeners. So basically Black Dog's offerings have never done it for me, but my concern is electricity #1 and BD never fits that bill. Way to much draw for the performance. Just like my 5 watt LED Stars. Yeah they grew weed, but they were doubling as space heaters and just sucked down wattage to achieve results. So if you don't care about electricity and heat isn't a hassle for you then do what ya want, it's not like they don't grow weed. But those prices once you start comparing it to other panels, man, BD kills any value in the long run. Too much draw.

And MC you know I'm always checking out ya grow. I want to see what's up with BD. And please feel free to grow some monsters! :)

And ProHuman don't fuck with it. Not worth it. And I've never seen any company stamps on any LEDs from any of the China made panels I had, though the chuckle-heads at Illumitex put one on the bottom of their package.
 

ProHuman

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... but my concern is electricity #1 and BD never fits that bill. Way to much draw for the performance.
You are referring to the Amp Draw: 2.8A~1.4A. for the electricity bill? I though the bill was dependent on the KWpH.
To be honest, I have not really compared the exact draws of the lights, as I have read many posts stating that LEDs were far cheaper to run than HIDs.
 

FranJan

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You are referring to the Amp Draw: 2.8A~1.4A. for the electricity bill? I though the bill was dependent on the KWpH
Yup, but I still want to know what they drive them at. See how hard they actually drive them. Are they single die LEDs?

I don't even believe their wattage either. I would think it's higher for some reason, but I would have a Kill-A -Watt check that.
 
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