BHO with Vacuum oil/wax tutorial

Guzias1

Well-Known Member
I will be editing this post with details later tonight, just thought I would get things rolling though :]

This thread is open to all the the enthusiasts out there.. Feedback, safety tips, helpful tips, and overall positive reinforcement for the less educated individuals is our goal here..


DISCLAIMER:
This is a potentially very dangerous process.. And it is highly encouraged to have all your materials ready before you start.. Please, be smart, be safe, and enjoy!


Major Parts:
3+ cfm vacuum pump
regulators for vacuum
desiccator
tube
5x + refined butane
butane is highly flammable, plan out your pull, no smoking while blasting and boiling off butane!
DSCN2788 (800x600).jpgFor a smoother quality extraction, i recommend using broken down buds, or sugar leaf trim, you should be able to judge the product by eyes.. A noticeable amount of trichomes should be visible.. ..

I packed about 7-8 grams of bud, and minimal trim (pictured) into a stainless steel turkey baster from BBAB... I took 2 coffee filters, put them flat on top of each other, folded the two sheets over once, (makes 4 layers of filters) but then i proceeded, and folded that in half (making 8 layers of filters).. wrapped the 8-layer filter around the bud opening of the turkey baster, then wrapped tape around filter to attach it to tube, ( a metal hose clamp is recommended instead of the tape).. blasted about 1/3 of a can of butane through the tube, spinning it around, shaking it, pausing, just having fun :p..
DSCN2790 (800x600).jpgi pre folded some parchment paper to hold my sprayed butane, and placed that on a heat pad set to the 120s (before spraying).. I let the heat pad stay on till only a thin layer of liquid was left evaporating..
DSCN2792 (800x600).jpgwhile the heat pad was cooling, the butane had a nice amount of time to boil out.. took about 10 minutes or so to cool down..
DSCN2791 (800x600).jpg(picture A)this is the sprayed product, after about 30 minutes after spraying, sticky, but stable at room temperature (wont slide around).

I am not positive, but i believe achieving this oil muffin is one of the key factors in letting you know you are going to get a wax, honeycomb... ... ONCE you got product stable at room temperature, it is now time to turn it into a hand touchable solid muffin ball.. to do so, i put (picture A) my paper straight into my vacuum chamber, turn on the vac to full pump. the oil expands, and basically keeps expanding till it reaches a solid balloon type state, its actually multiple see-through bubbles, but we will call them balloons(not to be confused with muffins).. I then release the pressure and the bubbles, fall back down into what looks like a dryer picture A.. i then repeat the vacuum process over and over until it does not rise anymore.. I then take picture A out, and work the oil towards the center of the paper, to do so, i fold the paper over rand over, trying to get a solid puck of oil.. once i get my puck, i throw back into chamber to full vac again..
DSCN2793 (800x600).jpgthe bubbles eventually turn smaller and smaller, and the product becomes stiffer and stiffer as you repeat the previous process over and over, and you eventually start to see a nice big muffin start to form... CAUTION, the oil expands 10X + as you vacuum it, so you need to be ready to shut off the vacuum before your oil hits something thats not parchment paper..
DSCN2795 (800x600).jpgand after many many vacs, and devacs, and foldings of oil back into center of paper, i was finally able to get my solid muffin( muffin is solid when you can touch the muffin, and it doesnt stick to you or shrink.... Notice how tiny it is, this is good, i feel every time i cut this step short, or i never get the solid muffin, i never end up with wax, and usually end up with an oil..
DSCN2796 (800x600).jpgi then prepare a hot water bath in a pyrex big enough to hold my mason vacuum chamber. Hot water bath is heated by a controlled temperature pancake griddle.. I have a laser thermometer to let me know how hot my water is.. I Then place my stable muffin into my vacuum chamber, and melt down the muffin with my water temps at 130F and 5-10hg.. i melt it down till is see a pretty flat puddle, (takes 5-60 minutes depending on how much oil you are making, or even longer) i then turn on my vacuum to full pump, the oil expands into those balloons erratically for a second before maxing out, then those balloons slowly pop and the balloons eventually mellow out to a purging oil.. ( if your vacuum is too small, or if you did not heat your oil hot enough, your balloons may get too big, potentially hitting your chamber, so let off vac, and let your oil get a little warmer, then try again.. and again, till you get mellow out oil) once i reach this point, i dropped full vac to 26-27hg and the temps in my water to 114-117 for a few hours..
DSCN2797 (800x600).jpgi had this after a few hours ( i worked material back to center) got a nice soild taffy, shatter?

DSCN2804 (800x600).jpgi then raised the heat to 125 and vac to 29 hg for about 30 min.. product started waxing up too fast i feel ( i hate sparkly crackly bho!) so i dropped temp to 120, and 28 hg for a couple hours.. After that, i raised temps to 14-126 and vac to 29hg

DSCN2807 (800x600).jpg got this jsut before going to bed, so i dropped temps to about 122, and put her at full vac, feel asleep..
DSCN2808 (800x600).jpgwoke up to this! yey! success, thanks to good starting material!
DSCN2810 (800x600).jpgso that my tutorial.. i was not shooting for a massive pull, i was just trying to demonstrate the most simplest cheapest way i have found to make some very potent, awesome concentrates!


heres a vid of the melt shot. yeeee and the buds under the wax are the buds i used to make the wax
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QktXtCOzuXI


final results:

7.5 grams in

1.18 out
 

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Guzias1

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There are some tweaks you can throw into the process, and i rec taking each process slow.. if you mess up some parts, you dont get wax.... but you still got something to smoke..

I would love to hear others inputs!

P.S.! i more concerned about tips and tricks on the process, rather than safety advice.. so please dont dog the setup, but more so contribute wealthy knowledge! gas goes boom, ya, got it.. how does weed go wax? :]
 

Twitch

Well-Known Member
i am curious why is it bad for it to wax to fast? the better stuff i have have waxes the fastest?
 

Guzias1

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i am curious why is it bad for it to wax to fast? the better stuff i have have waxes the fastest?

its a safe approach i take to making new material.. one of my most memorable favorite runs was a blue dream run.. many grams came out, very quickly.. full melt.. of course it was really really dank trim..

i think if you can get it to wax fast, and properly purge it, go for it! but i def like to take a light approach to all new material.. ii hate turning my shit into goo!

sometimes when i get a lot of work, i just do 1 tube test run, to see how far i can push the heat...

im really hoping to get on a one of the local growers good side with this.. but around here, this competition is tough!
 

vacpurge

New Member
so youre saying that a temp difference of 114F, 120F, 122F and 125F are close enough to change the state of the oil?

does turning the heat down from 125F to 122F really make a significant difference?

very interesting. I cant wait to get my chamber.

I think a lot has to do with the strain and wether or not it will want to dry/wax up like that. that looks awesome.

so now im wondering... what if you put that onto a pyrex dish, and applied some serious heat to that dish.. getting it fairly warm and melting that oil. would it turn it back into an oil, making this honeycomb/wax thing just a temporary illusion because of the bubbles that dried while in a vacuum? just making it easier to handle?
 

vacpurge

New Member
heres some pretty beginner questions. I havnt seen the pump and desiccator in front of me to play around with so I cant quite wrap my mind around it.

what is the exact process, how do I work the vacuum pump? ive never done this before, or even seen any of this equipment. im no dummy though.. im sure I can figure it out pretty quickly. just would like to be somewhat educated on it before I actually pick it up and start testing it out.

stuff like the bleed off valves and stuff?

i figure you hook up the pump, turn it on, wateh the gauge go to 29", close a valve to hold the vacuum. and done.
 

Guzias1

Well-Known Member
so youre saying that a temp difference of 114F, 120F, 122F and 125F are close enough to change the state of the oil?

does turning the heat down from 125F to 122F really make a significant difference?

very interesting. I cant wait to get my chamber.

I think a lot has to do with the strain and wether or not it will want to dry/wax up like that. that looks awesome.

so now im wondering... what if you put that onto a pyrex dish, and applied some serious heat to that dish.. getting it fairly warm and melting that oil. would it turn it back into an oil, making this honeycomb/wax thing just a temporary illusion because of the bubbles that dried while in a vacuum? just making it easier to handle?
i believe the slight temp variances make a lot of difference.. the strain and input material are the biggest variables though.. this wax probably could have came out with different temps, and different vac pressures.. but this way got me to the wax nice and safely.. its not going to turn back into oil. .have you watched the youtube video? it takes torch to do any melting... it sat out in the hot sun yesterday, and did not get phased

my vacuum has two slots to put hoses, i only use one.... i hook up a hose to the vac, that is attached to my pressure regulators, from there, i have another hose that attaches to my vac chamber.. Vacuum has one setting, on, its goal is to reach full vac, with the regulators, i can control the hg very very precisely.. the hose from my regulator currently has a suction cup type of deal to vac my chamber.. i can simply pull the hose out of my regulator to release pressure. a bleed off valve, or something simple like this helps speed up the process.. it takes a lotttt of vacs, and de vacs..
 

CaptnStinky

Member
Thanks for the run down. I believe I have a picture of a "Rice" set-up for testing SpG's of asphalt samples. I imagine this or some type of similar set-up would be ideal.rice.gif
 

vacpurge

New Member
so I need to buy a set of regulators?

I am bringing this vacuum chamber across the border.... what the hell can I say im using it for if they ask? theyre not stupid... they will google "vac it pro" and see that honey oil comes up everywhere... so im kinda paranoid.
 

Guzias1

Well-Known Member
Its user for the A/C systems in vehicles.. I don't think there is much relationship between an air compressor and hash... So a vacuum is harmless. Just don't travel hot
 

CaptnStinky

Member
DSC06474.jpgSorry - I'm no artist, but I am really high! I plan on getting one going - this is what I plan on doing. Have run hundereds of "rice" tests on asphalt samples, ~10 years ago. The equipment is used for determining maximun theoretical specific gravity of bituminous asphalt samples, geotech companies, paving companies....
 

Guzias1

Well-Known Member
new ideas are welcome.. I have never ventured into the "rice" stuff.. Are you asphalt testers people out in the construction field? or do you guys test samples at labs and what not?
 

Fazer1rlg

Active Member
Less time when the oil is molten the less time the Butane can come out. Make sure to always flame test your waxes and oils!
 

Guzias1

Well-Known Member
Less time when the oil is molten the less time the Butane can come out. Make sure to always flame test your waxes and oils!

are you saying the quicker you can properly make a oil/wax, the better? i kind of believe this theory..

p.s.! i always flame test it! thats the best way i can tell if its tane filled or not :]
 

Guzias1

Well-Known Member
I was talking about the vacuum chamber not the pump..
ooooohhhhhhhh, duh, my bad.. uhm.... its a pressure cooker for popcorn :p i dunno, good luck.. ugh.. how about you just have a whole bunch of random shit with you.. kind of throw them off ya know? Or coat the inside of the chamber with some sort of jelly or food substance? make it look like a food cooker? dont trip man, just get this shit going!
 

vacpurge

New Member
i dunno, good luck.. ugh.. how about you just have a whole bunch of random shit with you.. kind of throw them off ya know? Or coat the inside of the chamber with some sort of jelly or food substance? make it look like a food cooker? dont trip man, just get this shit going!
I was thinking the exact same thing...
 
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