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Uncle Ben said:

Really. Sounds like a feel-good stop measure to me.

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It's that same kind of underestimating from people here that lead to this point. The point where coffeeshops are being closed, growers with just a handful of plants are raided, in a few months 15% THC and higher may be considered hard drugs (testing equipment will be illegal, but new tolerance policy within the tolerance policy allows coffeeshops to have test gear in the the shop...). People who drive under the influence of alcohol and drugs will get insane high fines (since they can't accurately test MJ use, they decided if you even add a drop of alcohol...). Smoking in amsterdam and having 'a' beer, or 'a' wine will no longer be an option unless I take the train back.

Phillips already pulled out the cannabis industry (not effectively though) about 8 months ago - on national television, showing how much money they made from it over the years. http://www.hortidaily.com/article/6254/Philips-stops-selling-lamps-to-cannabis-growers-employees-threatened-at-home That's from Feb, note the last line: "Legally it isn't forbidden to supply to the weed industry. Currently a legislation to criminalize this is in the making. " Well, that legislation is up for vote in a few days.

Cops, energy companies, housing services, and IRS have task forces per region. In some areas, the frigging army is used to help raid mj growers. They also have a "shame" -policy, which means that when a grower is raided the cops will hang posters on the windows with big fat letters that a "hemp grow" has been removed. The plants are chopped up in a machine, the grow gear is destroyed, carbon filters filled with isolation foam and possessions such as cars etc get a huge sticker with "growing hemp doesn't pay", and are confiscated.

I posted it in another forum with an ongoing discussion about it and they probably thought I was trolling We're fucked, proper fucked, it's almost game over for the (legal-ish) cannabis industry in the Netherlands. The proposed laws and changes already have a majority. The voting is just a formality (our senate rarely goes against the leading cabinet).

There is one person here who mentioned (on TV, something about Uruguay ) he knows it will be legalized here, as in having inside information. That someone is Arjan from GHS...

Sativied said:

It's that same kind of underestimating from people here that lead to this point. The point where coffeeshops are being closed, growers with just a handful of plants are raided, in a few months 15% THC and higher may be considered hard drugs (testing equipment will be illegal, but new tolerance policy within the tolerance policy allows coffeeshops to have test gear in the the shop...). People who drive under the influence of alcohol and drugs will get insane high fines (since they can't accurately test MJ use, they decided if you even add a drop of alcohol...). Smoking in amsterdam and having 'a' beer, or 'a' wine will no longer be an option unless I take the train back.

Phillips already pulled out the cannabis industry (not effectively though) about 8 months ago - on national television, showing how much money they made from it over the years. http://www.hortidaily.com/article/6254/Philips-stops-selling-lamps-to-cannabis-growers-employees-threatened-at-home That's from Feb, note the last line: "Legally it isn't forbidden to supply to the weed industry. Currently a legislation to criminalize this is in the making. " Well, that legislation is up for vote in a few days.

Cops, energy companies, housing services, and IRS have task forces per region. In some areas, the frigging army is used to help raid mj growers. They also have a "shame" -policy, which means that when a grower is raided the cops will hang posters on the windows with big fat letters that a "hemp grow" has been removed. The plants are chopped up in a machine, the grow gear is destroyed, carbon filters filled with isolation foam and possessions such as cars etc get a huge sticker with "growing hemp doesn't pay", and are confiscated.

I posted it in another forum with an ongoing discussion about it and they probably thought I was trolling We're fucked, proper fucked, it's almost game over for the (legal-ish) cannabis industry in the Netherlands. The proposed laws and changes already have a majority. The voting is just a formality (our senate rarely goes against the leading cabinet).
There is one person here who mentioned (on TV, something about Uruguay ) he knows it will be legalized here, as in having inside information. That someone is Arjan from GHS...

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hey i was wondering if you could help me? is there any diference between mad farmers nuts and general hydroponics diamond nectar?? other than price??

Sativied said:

It's that same kind of underestimating from people here that lead to this point. The point where coffeeshops are being closed, growers with just a handful of plants are raided, in a few months 15% THC and higher may be considered hard drugs (testing equipment will be illegal, but new tolerance policy within the tolerance policy allows coffeeshops to have test gear in the the shop...). People who drive under the influence of alcohol and drugs will get insane high fines (since they can't accurately test MJ use, they decided if you even add a drop of alcohol...). Smoking in amsterdam and having 'a' beer, or 'a' wine will no longer be an option unless I take the train back.

Phillips already pulled out the cannabis industry (not effectively though) about 8 months ago - on national television, showing how much money they made from it over the years. http://www.hortidaily.com/article/6254/Philips-stops-selling-lamps-to-cannabis-growers-employees-threatened-at-home That's from Feb, note the last line: "Legally it isn't forbidden to supply to the weed industry. Currently a legislation to criminalize this is in the making. " Well, that legislation is up for vote in a few days.

Cops, energy companies, housing services, and IRS have task forces per region. In some areas, the frigging army is used to help raid mj growers. They also have a "shame" -policy, which means that when a grower is raided the cops will hang posters on the windows with big fat letters that a "hemp grow" has been removed. The plants are chopped up in a machine, the grow gear is destroyed, carbon filters filled with isolation foam and possessions such as cars etc get a huge sticker with "growing hemp doesn't pay", and are confiscated.

I posted it in another forum with an ongoing discussion about it and they probably thought I was trolling We're fucked, proper fucked, it's almost game over for the (legal-ish) cannabis industry in the Netherlands. The proposed laws and changes already have a majority. The voting is just a formality (our senate rarely goes against the leading cabinet).

There is one person here who mentioned (on TV, something about Uruguay ) he knows it will be legalized here, as in having inside information. That someone is Arjan from GHS...

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check out my journal,, our setups are similar

TheChemist77 said:

hey i was wondering if you could help me? is there any diference between mad farmers nuts and general hydroponics diamond nectar?? other than price??

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Check out the link I posted a few pages back (or the separate thread I posted it in in the Nutrient sub forum) and compare them. Mad farmers offers several different products so search for the specific product you want to compare. If you meant moab, I posted that analysis too. Diamond nectar is 0-1-1.

I'll stop by your journal.

TheChemist77 said:

hey i was wondering if you could help me? is there any diference between mad farmers nuts and general hydroponics diamond nectar?? other than price??

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Ok bro....remember couple threads ago, when I mentioned grey hairs. Not much time to experiment anymore?

Last side-by-side I did, was using MF NUTS. Vs. No additional chelates. Absolutely ZERO difference in the end. Was rockin flora series

Aeroknow said:

Ok bro....remember couple threads ago, when I mentioned grey hairs. Not much time to experiment anymore?

Last side-by-side I did, was using MF NUTS. Vs. No additional chelates. Absolutely ZERO difference in the end. Was rockin flora series

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thanks aero,, i think they are basicly the same both are humic acid.. ive always used mad farmers but seen gh is cheaper and thought maybe ill give it a try. i think useing gh reg nuts the plants are utilizeing all the nuts anyways so maybe the humic does nothing,, its really just for helping plants to use larger particles that piggy back ride the small humic particals up into the plant..

Sativied said:

Check out the link I posted a few pages back (or the separate thread I posted it in in the Nutrient sub forum) and compare them. Mad farmers offers several different products so search for the specific product you want to compare. If you meant moab, I posted that analysis too. Diamond nectar is 0-1-1.

I'll stop by your journal.

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Cant find the thread,,, im talking about mad farmers nutrient up take solution, N.U.T.S. its a humic acid compared to G.H diamond nector also a humic acid... is there a diference other than price?? i know mad farmers is organic not sure about GH'S but i use GH's maxi series anyways if i want to add 1 to my nutrients would there be a diference ive always used mad farmers till now and never did a side by side between the 2 and dont have the time or space anymore to do 1..im running low and want to buy 1 soon but gh diamond nector is cheaper so i may switch if there is vey little diference...

PK_Boosted said:

I just don't get how u guys can say these big companies are all crap and produce snake oil.. They spend multimillion of dollars per year on research and development to provide best quality nutes on market then people use me don't know what they r doing and then shit on the company bcuz when they said 30% more yield and they got the same amount with cheaper stuff it's not their faults.. Well yes it is.. I know I'm not spending 20 million per year on r&d and marketing for a product that doesn't work it's not crazy to think its a lot of new growers who fuck up reputations for companies all industry top dogs and massive growers use 1'of the 3 products I listed..NGO to any dispensary in Colorado or Cali and see what they r feeding I guarantee u it ain't miracle grow or peters or gh... And if they were so good and so cheap why wouldn't they all they wanna do is maximize profits right? Bottom line is for few hundred maybe a thousand dollars more these other companies are better that simple

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Gotta stop you right here. Yes, the dispensaries here in Colorado DO use dry nutrient salts like JR Peters and Hydrogardens.com.

Why?! Simple. THEY'RE ALL THE SAME DAMNED NUTRIENT SALTS!

Buy the fancy bottle, get the brightly painted label. Same shit inside. Why pay more?

N-P-K of 3-2-4. Veg to chop. Why make it complicated? To make more money for high advertising dollar/ big hype nutrient companies.

One more reason we use said nutrient salts, and that's so we can be damned sure there AREN'T any off-label shenanigans like PGRs.

Since we work hard at the basics, we find we don't need to get fancy to get consistently great results- just consistency.

Not sure how it works in hydro store land, but here in commercial indoor production and breeding consistency is king. And so are tissue samples. I've read too many of your posts for that to never have come up.

Bye, scammer.

I don't think a single person here believed that guy, even the advanced nutrients and canna users. Canna and advanced have the same nitrate salts any hydro formula brand has.

He was saying that NPK doesn't matter as much as the amino acids and B vitamins. What a moron! lol That's a great way to lose your credibility real quickly in a forum section 100% based on plant nutrition.

N : P2O5 : K2O and K : Ca : Mg : Fe ratios are what make one mix perform differently than another.

And I don't know shit about it, either;

Uncle Ben said:

Really. Sounds like a feel-good stop measure to me.

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They voted earlier today, from March 1 2015 on grow shops, amongst others, will be illegal. Selling tents (complete with carbon filter etc) will be illegal. Bulbs, cannabis specific nutrients, electrician services, renting out space, etc, etc. If you can somehow know it's meant for cannabis grows it's punishable by jail. To put that in perspective, we usually only jail rapists and murderers.

CANNA WILL BE ILLEGAL...

Sativied said:

They voted earlier today, from March 1 2015 on grow shops, amongst others, will be illegal. Selling tents (complete with carbon filter etc) will be illegal. Bulbs, cannabis specific nutrients, electrician services, renting out space, etc, etc. If you can somehow know it's meant for cannabis grows it's punishable by jail. To put that in perspective, we usually only jail rapists and murderers.

CANNA WILL BE ILLEGAL...

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Wow! From loose and legal to this? Unbelievable.

Arjan, hah!

TheChemist77 said:

hey i was wondering if you could help me? is there any diference between mad farmers nuts?

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Don't EVER mess with a mad farmer's nuts....unless you wanna get fucked real good.

Uncle Ben said:

Wow! From lose and legal to this? Do the people realize that legalized MJ doesn't work, that it's indeed harmful? What was the reason?

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So much happened here over the past years that is hard to sum that up. The main reason is that the liberal parties (the police state kind of liberal) and conservative christian parties got too many votes. There's actually a majority for legalization, but not amongst the leading parties.

What happened according to the main person responsible for this, MoJ Ivo Opstelten, is that the tolerance policy got out of hand. It was lose, but never legal. Coffeeshops were tolerated. Selling mj from hip bags in teahouses and coffeeshops. They figured it would keep the drugs from the streets, and the users get a save place to use it.

Initially, a lot of small growers supplies the coffeeshops. Growers with 250 or 400w in a closet. 5 plants were tolerated. Killed if found, but no charges.

Nowadays, decades later people from east europe, north africa, and of course the netherlands itself are way more greedy. They ram houses and buildings full, often end up destroying them in the process. They gave all growers a bad name. According to the MoJ and some police report, 80% of what we grow in NL is supposedly used for the export and is grown by "organized criminals".

Since the other 20% isn't really legal (coffeeshops are allowed to sell, NOT to buy, the socalled backdoor problem) - there's basically no distinction between coffeeshop supplier and those growing for the export.

Judges don't agree either. It has become a trend to sentence guilty but without any fine or punishment if the grower supplies coffeeshops.

It gets worse though. The 15% THC limit is still in the planning... THC testing equipment will be illegal, so they have a new tolerance policy within the tolerance policy, coffeeshops 'can' have THC testing equipment if it remains in the coffeeshop. But then again, nobody is allowed to sell them...

The new law:
"He who "stuff" or items prepares, modifies, processes, offers for sale, sells, delivers, transports, creates, OR, provides transport means, space, money, or other financial means, OF which he knows or has strong reasons to believe they were meant for [illegal cannabis grows] , will be punished with a max of 3 years in prison or a fine of the 5th category."

Needless to say Canna, with webpages about cannabis laws in the NL and the 5 plants (which are illegal as soon as you use artificial light) and cannabis grow charts there's no doubt they fall into that category. Surely they will find a way around... they have offices and labs across the globe.

Uncle Ben said:

Arjan, hah!

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Now here's a fucked up possible scenario.... Arjan may have the last laugh.

Amsterdam isn't going to close all coffeeshops. The ones that are closed are too close to a school, which in turn was a trade between the MoJ and Amsterdam, if they'd close those, they wouldn't have to implement the I-criterium (as in not sell to tourists).

Last week Amsterdam city voted FOR regulation. Even the local party that's the same as the MoJ is in nationally. They want to appoint a legal and certified grower to supply the coffeeshops.

Note I said "A" grower... Needless to say coffeeshops fear they will have little choice.

Do I need to paint that fucked up scenario further... it's not even that unlikely either.

Speaking of fucked up, check this out: http://www.kingofcannabis.com/

Sativied said:

They voted earlier today, from March 1 2015 on grow shops, amongst others, will be illegal. Selling tents (complete with carbon filter etc) will be illegal. Bulbs, cannabis specific nutrients, electrician services, renting out space, etc, etc. If you can somehow know it's meant for cannabis grows it's punishable by jail. To put that in perspective, we usually only jail rapists and murderers.

CANNA WILL BE ILLEGAL...

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I smell BACKLASH. Bring down the ruling coalition! Protest in the streets for reasonable law enforcement- that treats pot smokers like citizens, not killers.

If they get away with it in Amsterdam, they can do anything to your country. I should know; I've been watching 'conservatives' make my country into a corporate fascist hegemony for most of my lifetime.

Closing all coffeeshops in Amsterdam and the rest of the country is not on the table although a lot of coffeeshops have and will have to close in Amsterdam (still be about 150). They are allowed to sell (5gr per day per person), not buy. As nuts as that sounds, that how it's always been here. Supposedly because of international agreements (EU and UN) we cannot actually legalize mj growing. It's all hypocrite contradicting bullshit.

ttystikk said:

Bring down the ruling coalition!

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One of the two ruling coalition parties (in the house) actually voted against (in the senate). It's basically in the coalition agreement on which they founded the coalition. The other, the MoJ's party, still got a majority because of several large christian parties.

The new generation grew up with coffeeshops just being there, nothing special about it, they don't know how long and how much effort it took to get them, they are more concerned about what's on facebook and twitter.

Personally I'm way too high to really care or get off my couch. Laws, governments, borders, gods, and the forces of nature, they are not a factor when it comes to me growing and smoking mj.

Sativied said:

It's that same kind of underestimating from people here that lead to this point. The point where coffeeshops are being closed, growers with just a handful of plants are raided, in a few months 15% THC and higher may be considered hard drugs (testing equipment will be illegal, but new tolerance policy within the tolerance policy allows coffeeshops to have test gear in the the shop...). People who drive under the influence of alcohol and drugs will get insane high fines (since they can't accurately test MJ use, they decided if you even add a drop of alcohol...). Smoking in amsterdam and having 'a' beer, or 'a' wine will no longer be an option unless I take the train back.

Phillips already pulled out the cannabis industry (not effectively though) about 8 months ago - on national television, showing how much money they made from it over the years. http://www.hortidaily.com/article/6254/Philips-stops-selling-lamps-to-cannabis-growers-employees-threatened-at-home That's from Feb, note the last line: "Legally it isn't forbidden to supply to the weed industry. Currently a legislation to criminalize this is in the making. " Well, that legislation is up for vote in a few days.

Cops, energy companies, housing services, and IRS have task forces per region. In some areas, the frigging army is used to help raid mj growers. They also have a "shame" -policy, which means that when a grower is raided the cops will hang posters on the windows with big fat letters that a "hemp grow" has been removed. The plants are chopped up in a machine, the grow gear is destroyed, carbon filters filled with isolation foam and possessions such as cars etc get a huge sticker with "growing hemp doesn't pay", and are confiscated.

I posted it in another forum with an ongoing discussion about it and they probably thought I was trolling We're fucked, proper fucked, it's almost game over for the (legal-ish) cannabis industry in the Netherlands. The proposed laws and changes already have a majority. The voting is just a formality (our senate rarely goes against the leading cabinet).

There is one person here who mentioned (on TV, something about Uruguay ) he knows it will be legalized here, as in having inside information. That someone is Arjan from GHS...

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That really is unbelievable. Nothing more than politics and an industry that went "mad", crazy.

Thanks for sharing. And that video of Arjan and Colombia is unreal!

He's won 38 C Cups? I heard from a very reliable source about 15 years ago that Arjan was caught buying off cup judges. Comment?

Needless to say, a strain that wins a Cup means nothing to me.

Sativied said:

Personally I'm way too high to really care or get off my couch. Laws, governments, borders, gods, and the forces of nature, they are not a factor when it comes to me growing and smoking mj.

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My attitude is the same. I'll just go on doing my thing law or no law.