Uncle Ben
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It is a bit lanky but I'd guess that's due to the sativa influence. The post/pix below it are really nice IMO.
Best 'stand alone' bloom boosters
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Uncle Ben
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At first I thought you were being facecious, not so sure now. Are you using such a product? Closest thing I've come to a really great micros product with fulvic acid etc. is Keyplex. Am using the 350DP. http://www.keyplex.com/images/specimen-labels/KeyPlex-350DP.pdf
Sativied
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That's why I said it perhaps looks worse than it is because the genetics at play. The other looks better, strain seems to have horrible calyx to leaf ratio though. Imo neither deserves the qualification of "flourishing with total loveliness" or are convincing examples of how suitable foliage pro is.
I was semi-serious, there's a healthy limit to the total amount of nutrients he can provide, raising the PK with a PK booster doesn't just lower the N, but relatively also everything else. I basically suggested to lower the N a little in the ratio, and then provide a bit more of the total mix (and ditch the PK bottle), of which the outcome would be the same as using a hypothetical KCaPMgSFeBMnMoZnCu booster. Obviously whether that would get better results depends a lot on what he starts out with.
To be specific, I use a P K Mg S Fe Mn Mo Zn booster during flowering in an increasing amount, which has an NPK of 1-5-3. Without "boosting" the total amount of nutrients I give, so it effectively lowers the N and the Ca (and copper...) gradually, yet increases P more than it increases K. This is in combination with H&G base nutes (5-3-7). For example, when I use 4 parts H&G base nutes and 1 part N P K Mg S Fe Mn Mo Zn booster it roughly ends up with 4-3-6. It allows me to run with dark green, yet end with well... not too dark green/blue. And that's in my recirculation NFT setup, I have another "booster" to make that same nutrient solution suitable for hempy and coco, an N Ca Mg booster.
a mongo frog
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Heres what i use. Doing you guys think this is too much boosting?
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a mongo frog
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should also mention medium is peat soilless.
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I'm just going to repeat what I said in the H&G thread:
Bud XL actually the same NPK ratio [as multizym, 4-0-1], as in it's not a P booster, which is by itself is good to prevent premature yellowing. [from their site: ] "House & Garden Bud-XL uses enzymes’ processes...." "contains carbohydrates, vitamins B and E, and plant extracts". It's a bit like using molasses [and superthrive] not for me. The description of it "helping extract sugars from leaves and large bracts" contradicts with the supposed benefits carbohydrate "feeders" propose. [add to that the comments in this thread about 'feeding' carbons and vitamins to plants, except those from PK_boosted lol).
And as I mentioned in that thread, Ca Mg additives aren't needed with H&G aqua flakes or hydro (contains plenty of both) just keep ph 6.0-6.2 occasionally (if you normally run 5.
, or add a little more A than B. H&G actually used to have an article specifically about that on their own site (looks like they killed their articles section...).Also, you're using aqua flakes instead of the hydro AB, so you already have extra Mg (aqua flakes supposedly has more Mg and Iron making it more suitable for recirculating hydro with magnetic pumps).
a mongo frog
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I'm using it in a drain to waste. and yes cal mag is needed.I'm just going to repeat what I said in the H&G thread:
Bud XL actually the same NPK ratio [as multizym, 4-0-1], as in it's not a P booster, which is by itself is good to prevent premature yellowing. [from their site: ] "House & Garden Bud-XL uses enzymes’ processes...." "contains carbohydrates, vitamins B and E, and plant extracts". It's a bit like using molasses [and superthrive] not for me. The description of it "helping extract sugars from leaves and large bracts" contradicts with the supposed benefits carbohydrate "feeders" propose. [add to that the comments in this thread about 'feeding' carbons and vitamins to plants, except those from PK_boosted lol).
And as I mentioned in that thread, Ca Mg additives aren't needed with H&G aqua flakes or hydro (contains plenty of both) just keep ph 6.0-6.2 occasionally (if you normally run 5.
Also, you're using aqua flakes instead of the hydro AB, so you already have extra Mg (aqua flakes supposedly has more Mg and Iron making it more suitable for recirculating hydro with magnetic pumps).
churchhaze
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calcium nitrate!
It's in cal-mag+ and GH flora micro
It's in cal-mag+ and GH flora micro
Sativied
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And H&G "A".
It's not. Their base nutes are complete. If memory serves me correctly, of the nutes in H&G hydro and aqua flakes roughly 12% is Ca. It's in the A bottle. If additional Ca and Mg would be needed, they'd be happy to sell you another bottle.
a mongo frog
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holy shit man. who's they'd?
Sativied
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Van Der Zwaan...
a mongo frog
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can you tell me what you think the npk of aqua flakes A and B is together?
Sativied
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Look on your bottles. There are slight variations between US and EU bottles. Or google "house and garden aqua flakes guaranteed analysis", I've seen one in another forum.
I can't find the original H&G article but did find a post on another forum that referenced it:
"H&G has said that you shouldn't need to add Ca-Mg to their A&B lines as they are buffered already with Ca-Mg. In A they have Calcium Nitrate and in the B Magnesium Sulfate. If you check the back of Cal-Mag+ (Botanicare, right?) they derive the N, Ca, and Mg from Calcium Nitrate and Magnesium Nitrate. However, what H&G has said about adding in Ca-Mg to their line is...
"H&G base nutrients are Ca-Mg corrected for the medium of choice""
It's the moral of this thread, don't buy bottles with nutes you already have in the base nutes, it's the same shit.
From another forum:
"...Aqua Flakes doesn't even mention CA, Fe, or any other 2nd or micro nutrients. I called the company, and they told me the product had 11% CA "
If you really get problems without the CalMag additive you could perhaps use H&G Coco instead?
a mongo frog
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10-4-10 is what I've been thinking it is for the last 6 years. was just wondering cuz there bottles are a little confusing to me.
Sativied
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From a Canadian government site: EDIT...doh, California, not Canada...
That's different from my 'bottle' label (A: 4-0-2, B: 1-3-5). I noticed slight difference between UK, US, Aus, Ca, and NL versions so...
