Aeroknow
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Who fucking knows dude. Maybe a dipshit white guy who started a bunch of accounts over the years?
Prove you're black. I'm seriously doubting it
Bernie Sanders is the most popular politician in the US
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Prove you're black. I'm seriously doubting it
UncleBuck
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sheskunk.
Aeroknow
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Aeroknow
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You're super close to me banning you. One more shitty post dude
Aeroknow
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UncleBuck
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UncleBuck
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or the ones who deny the existence of the holocaust. ya know, neo-nazis shitbags like you.
tampee
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Can't we at least agree politicians are all blood thirsty lying pricks (cunts for female politicians so not to be sexist)?
UncleBuck
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i can agree that you are a tiny-dicked, cowardly, white loser.
UncleBuck
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tell me more about how they faked the holocaust, you tiny-dicked jew hating white loser.
UncleBuck
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they take statements from the candidates and fact check them using independently verifiable information.
you are too dumb to exist on this forum. sorry.
tampee
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I never said faked, probably gave him a few extra numbers. But Stalin was worse and Mao was the worst though the Chinese could do with a little Holocaust couldn't they? For global warming of course.
UncleBuck
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Padawanbater2
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Everyone loves Bernie Sanders. Except, it seems, the Democratic party
If you look at the numbers, Bernie Sanders is the most popular politician in America – and it’s not even close. Yet bizarrely, the Democratic party – out of power across the country and increasingly irrelevant – still refuses to embrace him and his message. It’s increasingly clear they do so at their own peril.
A new Fox News poll out this week shows Sanders has a +28 net favorability rating among the US population, dwarfing all other elected politicians on both ends of the political spectrum. And he’s even more popular among the vaunted “independents”, where he is at a mind boggling +41.
This poll is not just an aberration. Look at this Huffington Post chart that has tracked Sanders’ favorability rating over time, ever since he gained national prominence in 2015 when he started running for the Democratic nomination. The more people got to know him, they more they liked him – the exact opposite of what his critics said would happen when he was running against Clinton.
One would think with numbers like that, Democratic politicians would be falling all over themselves to be associated with Sanders, especially considering the party as a whole is more unpopular than the Republicans and even Donald Trump right now. Yet instead of embracing his message, the establishment wing of the party continues to resist him at almost every turn, and they seem insistent that they don’t have to change their ways to gain back the support of huge swaths of the country.
Politico ran a story just this week featuring Democratic officials fretting over the fact that Sanders supporters may upend their efforts to retake governorships in southern states by insisting those candidates adopt Sanders’ populist policies – seemingly oblivious to the fact that Sanders plays well in some of those states too.
Sanders’ effect on Trump voters can be seen in a gripping town hall this week that MSNBC’s Chris Hayes hosted with him in West Virginia – often referred to as “Trump country” – where the crowd ended up giving him a rousing ovation after he talked about healthcare being a right of all people and that we are the only industrialized nation in the world who doesn’t provide healthcare as a right to all its people.
But hand wringing by Democratic officials over 2018 candidates is really just the latest example: the establishment wing of the party aggressively ran another opponent against Keith Ellison, Sanders’ choice to run the Democratic National Committee, seemingly with the primary motivation to keep the party away from Sanders’ influence.
They’ve steadfastly refused to take giant corporations head on in the public sphere and wouldn’t even return to an Obama-era rule that banned lobbyist money from funding the DNC that was rescinded last year. And despite the broad popularity of the government guaranteeing health care for everyone, they still have not made any push for a Medicare-for-all plan that Sanders has long called for as a rebuttal to Republicans’ attempt to dismantle Obamacare.
Democrats seem more than happy to put all the blame of the 2016 election on a combination of Russia and James Comey and have engaged in almost zero introspection on the root causes of the larger reality: they are also out of power in not the presidency, but both also houses of Congress, governorships and state houses across the country as well.
As Politico reported on the Democrats’ post-Trump strategy in February, “Democratic aides say they will eventually shift to a positive economic message that Rust Belt Democrats can run on”. However: “For now, aides say, the focus is on slaying the giant and proving to the voters who sent Trump into the White House why his policies will fail.”
In other words, they’re doubling down on the exact same failing strategy that Clinton used in the final months of the campaign. Sanders himself put it this way in his usual blunt style in an interview with New York magazine this week – when asked about whether the Democrats can adapt to the political reality, he said: “There are some people in the Democratic Party who want to maintain the status quo. They would rather go down with the Titanic so long as they have first-class seats.”
In the long term, change may be coming for Democrats whether they like it or not. Sanders loyalists are quietly attempting to take over many local Democratic party positions around the country. While Ellison lost the race for the DNC chair, it was incredibly close – closer than Sanders came to beating Clinton. And Sanders’ supporters are already organizing primary challenges to incumbent Democrats who aren’t sufficiently opposing Trump.
One thing’s for sure: Democrats who refuse to change do so at their peril.
If you look at the numbers, Bernie Sanders is the most popular politician in America – and it’s not even close. Yet bizarrely, the Democratic party – out of power across the country and increasingly irrelevant – still refuses to embrace him and his message. It’s increasingly clear they do so at their own peril.
A new Fox News poll out this week shows Sanders has a +28 net favorability rating among the US population, dwarfing all other elected politicians on both ends of the political spectrum. And he’s even more popular among the vaunted “independents”, where he is at a mind boggling +41.
This poll is not just an aberration. Look at this Huffington Post chart that has tracked Sanders’ favorability rating over time, ever since he gained national prominence in 2015 when he started running for the Democratic nomination. The more people got to know him, they more they liked him – the exact opposite of what his critics said would happen when he was running against Clinton.
One would think with numbers like that, Democratic politicians would be falling all over themselves to be associated with Sanders, especially considering the party as a whole is more unpopular than the Republicans and even Donald Trump right now. Yet instead of embracing his message, the establishment wing of the party continues to resist him at almost every turn, and they seem insistent that they don’t have to change their ways to gain back the support of huge swaths of the country.
Politico ran a story just this week featuring Democratic officials fretting over the fact that Sanders supporters may upend their efforts to retake governorships in southern states by insisting those candidates adopt Sanders’ populist policies – seemingly oblivious to the fact that Sanders plays well in some of those states too.
Sanders’ effect on Trump voters can be seen in a gripping town hall this week that MSNBC’s Chris Hayes hosted with him in West Virginia – often referred to as “Trump country” – where the crowd ended up giving him a rousing ovation after he talked about healthcare being a right of all people and that we are the only industrialized nation in the world who doesn’t provide healthcare as a right to all its people.
But hand wringing by Democratic officials over 2018 candidates is really just the latest example: the establishment wing of the party aggressively ran another opponent against Keith Ellison, Sanders’ choice to run the Democratic National Committee, seemingly with the primary motivation to keep the party away from Sanders’ influence.
They’ve steadfastly refused to take giant corporations head on in the public sphere and wouldn’t even return to an Obama-era rule that banned lobbyist money from funding the DNC that was rescinded last year. And despite the broad popularity of the government guaranteeing health care for everyone, they still have not made any push for a Medicare-for-all plan that Sanders has long called for as a rebuttal to Republicans’ attempt to dismantle Obamacare.
Democrats seem more than happy to put all the blame of the 2016 election on a combination of Russia and James Comey and have engaged in almost zero introspection on the root causes of the larger reality: they are also out of power in not the presidency, but both also houses of Congress, governorships and state houses across the country as well.
As Politico reported on the Democrats’ post-Trump strategy in February, “Democratic aides say they will eventually shift to a positive economic message that Rust Belt Democrats can run on”. However: “For now, aides say, the focus is on slaying the giant and proving to the voters who sent Trump into the White House why his policies will fail.”
In other words, they’re doubling down on the exact same failing strategy that Clinton used in the final months of the campaign. Sanders himself put it this way in his usual blunt style in an interview with New York magazine this week – when asked about whether the Democrats can adapt to the political reality, he said: “There are some people in the Democratic Party who want to maintain the status quo. They would rather go down with the Titanic so long as they have first-class seats.”
In the long term, change may be coming for Democrats whether they like it or not. Sanders loyalists are quietly attempting to take over many local Democratic party positions around the country. While Ellison lost the race for the DNC chair, it was incredibly close – closer than Sanders came to beating Clinton. And Sanders’ supporters are already organizing primary challenges to incumbent Democrats who aren’t sufficiently opposing Trump.
One thing’s for sure: Democrats who refuse to change do so at their peril.
tangerinegreen555
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Everybody in the party likes Sanders. Politics is very competitive during election cycles
And a reminder:
We won the popular vote in 4 of the past 5 presidential elections including the most recent one.
And anybody will beat Trump in 2020. If he doesn't quit or get forced out first.
That's my opinion and I'm sticking to it.
Padawanbater2
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What do you think that means? "Everybody likes Sanders"? People like Schumer and Pelosi like him as a person? Sure, that's not outside the ordinary. But when it comes to the policies he supports, do you really think they like him then?
How? What's the gameplan to defeat Trump? Are you banking on hoping Trump is so bad the American people won't have any other option but to vote in another Democrat? What do progressives actually gain from that?
tangerinegreen555
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You won't need a 'gamepIan', he'll beat himself if he's even still there.
SCOTUS nominations, better environment and global warming policies, a return to real news, public servants in cabinet positions as opposed to Exxon CEO's, humane immigration policies, how much time you got?
Fogdog
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I took a look at some of the statements and they did not include 50 statements of the kind you indicate. Maybe I didn't see the same link you did? Maybe you are just making shit up? providing a link would be appreciated.
That said, you've been told you aren't welcome here. Why do people like you do this?
Fogdog
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Right, so what does Stalin's awful crimes have to do with Hitler's? Mao was awful too. I drove over the speed limit once. On purpose too. Does that also make the holocaust OK? Tampit, that was one stupid post.
"probably gave him a few extra numbers" Why do you even post shit like that?
Padawanbater2
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We just witnessed how well that strategy worked out. Democrats have been losing since 2010. If you bank on them doing it worse, you will not win votes. You have to offer something better, not just depend on the opposition failing.
From the strategy of "TRUMP BAD!!!". Progressives will gain nothing because Democrats will lose again if that's all they can offer
The winning strategy is so obvious, but the Democratic party can't touch it because it goes against their donors interests. This is why Justice Democrats will win.