Avoding Undercover law enforcement?

AZgreenthumb said:

Hi rollitup I had a quik hypothetical question suppose you were selling weed illegally before you even sold to someone could you have them sign some kind of sworn affidavit stating that they are not a law enforcement officer nor are they affiliated with any law enforcement agency that way if they lie to you and try to bust you they themselves would be subject to fines or imprisonment would this be possible? is there some type of legal document like this out there? I know this probably is not the best place to ask legal questions but mabey somebody That has had experience in the legal system can answer.

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justugh said:

1 if u grow u do not sell like a common person
i personally set up a 4 man system to take my surplus ........north east south west they each live away from me in different directions/ circles of ppl .......dead drop it (meaning no one is there they pick it up) when u see them again u collect money for the surplus ........u never want to do any more direct exchanges bud for cash

the ppl u need to be trust worthy ....buddies that gone tho the shit with yah over something and kept mouth shut ..........this is how u got to do it from now on when u are moving anything more then a oz or 2 surplus ..........the cash u get is from buddies with no direct sight of any transaction so if comes down to it money u won in a bet /loan from a buddy/repay a loan

the next part is turning that money into something u can declare if u need too for tax records .....prove it not drug money in a court of law
pick a hobby
Coins
Rare metals....rare metals is best bet

now the cash u have u take that to a local dealer of silver/gold/ other metals (whole market in the trading of this google it u will find a few brokers/dealer near u ) and u buy 1 oz silver troy ingot/coins (keep it under 2000 bucks in cash at a time) buy them take them home and sit on them keep some cash to spend and the mass of 2/3 grows goes in silver ..........9 months later the price has gone up u sell the silver ingots to a broker/dealer/jewelry maker/pawn shop .....the money it made should pay for any trans cost so u get back clean money can show where it came from ..........the original start up was little here and there for years u had enough to start cashing it in ..............check your state on transaction rules for reporting ....rem to spread your buys out all over the place and to stagger the number of times u enter the same place (they will keep a paper trail on the buys but the camera will cycle over recording over your visit)

other method is prepaid credit cards..........load them up keep 3999 bucks (4000 is reporting limit) fill the cards up once used it up toss it use a new one repeat u can fill as many as u want same rules stagger where and when u get them from places to make the camera record over your image

i can not impress on u how much u can not do any selling like a common person no 20s no 1/4 no halfs ............cut the plants ,mark what is yours and sell the ozs off to ppl u trust yes u could make more selling it yourself but why risk it .......grow it set a price for your stuff and keep up/improve the buds and amounts

as for what u asking for in writing it will not work .......here is how u do it
talk to the person get to know them ...bullshit .......they bring something up u break out and go into this
ok by asking me what u did i need to ask u something anything other then a yes or no answer will be looked at as a YES ....do u understand ( get a yes)
ok are u or have u ever been a law enforcement agent for any state or federal governments .......and are u or have u even been acting as a agent for a law enforcement agency
then say u understand this talk has been record for legal reason to show a case of entrapment (show them smart phone do not really have to record it ) .....i am saying this because u must know about the recording for it to be used in the court system as i am not a agent for any law enforcement

that legally covers u they have to answer a NO anything else they are a cop /agent / rat

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justugh said:

1 if u grow u do not sell like a common person
i personally set up a 4 man system to take my surplus ........north east south west they each live away from me in different directions/ circles of ppl .......dead drop it (meaning no one is there they pick it up) when u see them again u collect money for the surplus ........u never want to do any more direct exchanges bud for cash

the ppl u need to be trust worthy ....buddies that gone tho the shit with yah over something and kept mouth shut ..........this is how u got to do it from now on when u are moving anything more then a oz or 2 surplus ..........the cash u get is from buddies with no direct sight of any transaction so if comes down to it money u won in a bet /loan from a buddy/repay a loan

the next part is turning that money into something u can declare if u need too for tax records .....prove it not drug money in a court of law
pick a hobby
Coins
Rare metals....rare metals is best bet

now the cash u have u take that to a local dealer of silver/gold/ other metals (whole market in the trading of this google it u will find a few brokers/dealer near u ) and u buy 1 oz silver troy ingot/coins (keep it under 2000 bucks in cash at a time) buy them take them home and sit on them keep some cash to spend and the mass of 2/3 grows goes in silver ..........9 months later the price has gone up u sell the silver ingots to a broker/dealer/jewelry maker/pawn shop .....the money it made should pay for any trans cost so u get back clean money can show where it came from ..........the original start up was little here and there for years u had enough to start cashing it in ..............check your state on transaction rules for reporting ....rem to spread your buys out all over the place and to stagger the number of times u enter the same place (they will keep a paper trail on the buys but the camera will cycle over recording over your visit)

other method is prepaid credit cards..........load them up keep 3999 bucks (4000 is reporting limit) fill the cards up once used it up toss it use a new one repeat u can fill as many as u want same rules stagger where and when u get them from places to make the camera record over your image

i can not impress on u how much u can not do any selling like a common person no 20s no 1/4 no halfs ............cut the plants ,mark what is yours and sell the ozs off to ppl u trust yes u could make more selling it yourself but why risk it .......grow it set a price for your stuff and keep up/improve the buds and amounts

as for what u asking for in writing it will not work .......here is how u do it
talk to the person get to know them ...bullshit .......they bring something up u break out and go into this
ok by asking me what u did i need to ask u something anything other then a yes or no answer will be looked at as a YES ....do u understand ( get a yes)
ok are u or have u ever been a law enforcement agent for any state or federal governments .......and are u or have u even been acting as a agent for a law enforcement agency
then say u understand this talk has been record for legal reason to show a case of entrapment (show them smart phone do not really have to record it ) .....i am saying this because u must know about the recording for it to be used in the court system as i am not a agent for any law enforcement

that legally covers u they have to answer a NO anything else they are a cop /agent / rat

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deadgro said:

That's not entrapment and it won't cover you, as I already shared.

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justugh said:

yes it is
if they are working for anything ..........by asking the direct ? and demanding a yes or no answer.......if lie about it on a direct ? when they approached u it is entrapment they came up to u offering to complete a illegal act u did not seek them....their actions will cause the case to go poof into something so tiny it is a laugh they actually took it to court

if he walks up to them then it would not matter what they said he started the act by asking them at that point they are doing job and can say no and still take u in with a solid case ........it is them walking up to u starting the criminal action that makes it entrapment

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justugh said:

yes it is
if they are working for anything ..........by asking the direct ? and demanding a yes or no answer.......if lie about it on a direct ? when they approached u it is entrapment they came up to u offering to complete a illegal act u did not seek them....their actions will cause the case to go poof into something so tiny it is a laugh they actually took it to court

if he walks up to them then it would not matter what they said he started the act by asking them at that point they are doing job and can say no and still take u in with a solid case ........it is them walking up to u starting the criminal action that makes it entrapment

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deadgro said:

Entrapment involves persuading someone to commit a crime who otherwise wouldn't by being overbearing or using coersion.

I already linked a precedence case that shows cops are allowed to lie. But its not the same thing.

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justugh said:

yes they came up to u and asked u for something ..........u had no intent ion doing anything but chilling .........they came up to u

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deadgro said:

Do a google search man! You'd be charged and your entrapment defense rejected.

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justugh said:

no it would be put to jury ..............i done court more times then i care to count

done the way i said it i will walk away ..............i did
had a CI do a buy on me when i was 17 took me into court about ............they offered to let me be a CI i dicked around for 18months until the case came up and i walked out charges dropped ....they could not use the CI in court the whole thing turned into a bluff to flip me to be a rat

from the age of 15 to 18 i did not leave my house .........i ran a party house u name i knew where it was or had it ........te amount of money i could make in 3 nights just sitting at home on the sofa was fucking great ..........then my name went around to much and i got on the list .........18 to 22 my house was raided 3 times trying to bust me

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deadgro said:

I've never been arrested, so... Everyone reading can pick which advice seems better

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justugh said:

well it is a odds game sooner or later u will be unless u are in a legal or civil ticket area

the amount of stuff i done compared to the amount that is known on the record is maybe 3-5%
i fucked up i learned never to repeat those mistakes along the way i learned some things

i had a fbi record by the time i was 13 ....living in farm lands things going boom is a normal thing i was to young to buy it so made my own

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AZgreenthumb said:

There is no law on the books that says a cop has to tell you he's a cop if you ask as deadgro said above (Frazier vs cupp)it is not illegal for cops to lie to you outside of court. this has been a rumor for decades now. If this were true most undercovers would not make it past there first meeting!

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WeedFreak78 said:

Apparently you didn't read the whole thing I wrote..there is an exception for officers working undercover..but if i walk up to someone on the street , they have to positively ID themselves as an officer if a citizen asks if they aren't working in an undercover capacity. So ya if it's a sting op or something they don't have to ID, but otherwise it's grounds to get it thrown out, just like what happened to my buddy, first, well, second hand experience here. again..probably varies state to state.

If you read the about the Frazier ruling, it only says they are allowed to lie to you during interrogation process, specifically. That was the basis of the case, one suspect was told the other one confessed to everything, although he didn't, so the second one told his side of the story thinking they knew everything. Yes police can lie to you, but not about whether they are a cop, unless in an undercover role.

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AZgreenthumb said:

Ok that makes since sorry probaley to hasty with my post. I Don't know know if this would work in AZ pretty tough ass on things like this out here one of only two states where getting caught with Marijuana is a straight up felony!!

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WeedFreak78 said:

I thought AZ was decrim and med? I thought they were getting close to going full rec too..no? My cuz is out there, near Show Low somewhere..i was thinking of heading out that way and check it out because i thought they were scaling down..

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