Area 51 w100s for flowering ??

It's says online these lights work great for all phases of growth including flowering. Anyone ever used these for flower and have good results? Going to use 2 w100s for a secondary flower area over a 2x4 flood tray.

Beezcheeze said:

It's says online these lights work great for all phases of growth including flowering. Anyone ever used these for flower and have good results? Going to use 2 w100s for a secondary flower area over a 2x4 flood tray.

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First, post a link to these lights. Their web site does not list any W100 light. Only W90 and all three types are sold out.

http://ledgrowlightguide.com/area-51-w100-led-grow-light-review

Those look like the w90s, if they are, they are better than anything led on the market. Good choice. What color temperature did you get?

I'm not sure what spongy sure which spectrum I have but they were purchased originally for my veg area. But after finding out they possibly do well for flowering phase. I think I'm gonna try it

let me be that evil voice.... you need more light

THE KONASSURE said:

let me be that evil voice.... you need more light

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Yea I figured it seemed a little dim but the w100s are rated for 2x2 area and the growing tray I'll be using will be a 3x3 so seems a bit overboard. The flood tray will be sitting on the stand and the lights will be hanging a lot lower and there will be a panda film wall velcrod over that area to contain the light. This is just my secondary flower area anyways just to get a bit of a bonus harvest and be able to crop every month or so.
The 4 rw150s in a 4x4 tent will be hung over a 3x3 tray also and will be my money maker crop

What lights would you add to the two w100s? All of Area 51 led lights are out of stock right now sadly. If they come in soon I could get two more that are close to the same as these lights.

I`d get some big boards with 1w to 3w chips if I was going to let the plants get tall try and cover the whole of the top of the grow area

or I `d get something with big cob chips and keep them a bit shorter

I like to grow bigger plants these days in big sacks 40 to 60L so I want 300g to 1kg per plant so I use 300w to 1000w per plant, I try to stick to led, induction and hids because they come in larger sizes and get the job done well

I shop around and see what`s about I like to get a deal on the lights I use as you never know how long you`ll get to keep them, lol

I`d probably add 2 to 4 300w to 600w led units (as they`ll only use 150 to 300w) or I`d get 1 to 3 900w to 1600w led units (they will use between 400 and 800w each)

or I`d build something with cob leds and try to get 300w on each plant

but I don`t know what size pots or how long your going to veg them and what strain

but I like to use 100w min to flower a smaller plant and 300w min to flower a bigger plant......... smaller plant would be 3 to 15L pots bigger plant would be 20 to 60L pots, a huge plant 80L to 200L pot I would try and get over 500w maybe 1000w on it, but I don`t go that big cos you can`t lift the sack without busting your nut when its wet, lol

THE KONASSURE said:

I`d get some big boards with 1w to 3w chips if I was going to let the plants get tall try and cover the whole of the top of the grow area

or I `d get something with big cob chips and keep them a bit shorter

I like to grow bigger plants these days in big sacks 40 to 60L so I want 300g to 1kg per plant so I use 300w to 1000w per plant, I try to stick to led, induction and hids because they come in larger sizes and get the job done well

I shop around and see what`s about I like to get a deal on the lights I use as you never know how long you`ll get to keep them, lol

I`d probably add 2 to 4 300w to 600w led units (as they`ll only use 150 to 300w) or I`d get 1 to 3 900w to 1600w led units (they will use between 400 and 800w each)

or I`d build something with cob leds and try to get 300w on each plant

but I don`t know what size pots or how long your going to veg them and what strain

but I like to use 100w min to flower a smaller plant and 300w min to flower a bigger plant......... smaller plant would be 3 to 15L pots bigger plant would be 20 to 60L pots, a huge plant 80L to 200L pot I would try and get over 500w maybe 1000w on it, but I don`t go that big cos you can`t lift the sack without busting your nut when its wet, lol

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I plan to flower 6 plants in 12" tall pots that are 11" square on top and skinnier on the bottom. I'll be training them to grow like small bushes and the veg time will only be around 2 weeks after clones have rooted. So the height won't be but about 2' or so finished. These w100s are recommended to be 18-24 " from the tops I think but can go closer. Would like to get two lights that are close to the w100s so it's a somewhat even coverage. Do you think any of Area 51's led lights they have now would be close to these?

Have you got a link to their products all I can find is the w90 looks like a single 100w cob with a 90w driver ?

With the w90`s you`ll probably want 1 per plant

I would go one of 2 ways

1 x 600w to 1800w led unit (consumption 400w to 800w) in the middle with your 2 lights covering the dark sides

or

2 x 300w to 600w led units (consumption 150w to 400w per unit) and I would just play around and see how the fit best

1st option will give you bigger buds all the way down the plant but option 2 using 4 lights if you top all the pants you should be able to yield more assuming your using about the same power

I find that when I`m building or having to fix an led unit I like one with just a few large cob chips on it

but if I want to get the most yield a light with smaller led chips will cover more area and use the power a bit more efficiently

It`s kinda like the 1000w vs 600w hps dilemma but with leds it gets even more fussy lol

What other options do you have ?

I`m in the uk, so I either source some cobs, drivers and heatsinks cheap

or I get on ebay and find a panel for a 300w to 600w panel I pay £30 to £60 (£100 max) and for a 600w to 1600w panel I`ll pay £60 to £200 ( I may go £300 but for that I can normally start thinking about making my own)

What were you thinking of getting light wise ?

Seen as your lights use smaller chips you have to decide if you want something much the same as the plants can get really close to that kind, or if you want to go for a newer cob type like the w90`s but you will want to keep the plants 1 to 2ft away from them where as with smaller chip led units the plants can almost touch the panel before they get burnt

also with more units if a plant gets tall it won`t block all the light, but still I like to have one big light and some smaller ones saves too much pissing about even if it does mean you lose a bit of efficiency

Thanks for takin the time. Here's the link for the Area 51 LED

http://www.a51led.net

I was thinking of getting 2 of the w90 4000k
As the w100s I have now are 3700k I believe. Do you think this would flower a 3x3 flood trays worth? What I'm wondering is how far away do these single bulb lights need to be from the plants compared to the w100s I have now which have like 50 lights in each one.. Just want to match the lights up somewhat but they're totally different lights as far as the bulbs and lenses go. My ocd hates having different lights in one area but it's all good. Half the flood tray would be lit up by the w100s and the other half by the two new lights I need.

Honestly ?

I think the w90`s are going to give you 100 to 200 grams each max, but that being said they only use 90w`s

If you want max yield go for 3000k you`ll get bigger buds, cooler white may give you more frost and cooler temps but for yield 3000k is pretty good, but 4000k won`t make a real huge difference but that can depend on the strain

up to you mate, Them w100`s you have are good lights but what are they 100w each ? I`d say they`ll made between 50g and 200g per unit

So with the w90`s doing about the same you could pull anything from 200g to 800g out of that room providing you can fit enough plant in the space

I think I`d get 2 bigger led units than the w90`s but you might be able to get some 200g plants with that set up

I mean realistically your using 400w`s so how much would you expect to yield from a 400w light ?

Thanks. Yea I'm hoping to try a SOG of clones in this area and hope to harvest 1/2 or more. Thinking of getting 2 more of the 90 watt panels from Area 51 led. The only difference is thrones I alr say have have like 25 lights in each one.. Their new model lights just have a single light in each panel. Wondering if they will both have the same light to plant distance reccomendations. Wouldn't want 2 different kinds of lights unless they can both be kept about the same distance away from the plants.

Yes there new lights use a single cob chip they can focus the light better and its far less wiring to put the unit together but actually there much the same just a lot smaller

I would put the w90`s high up and in the middle of the grow space

Then I`d put the w100`s on the sides and angle them or just find the sweet spot for them, but you`ll want to move any tall plants under the w100`s as you`ll lose less light that way

With a cob led as the emitters are clustered together really close its easier for a tall plant to steal all the light

cob lights do a good job they get more penetration but if you just want to grow top bud and nothing lower down then 1w to 3w chips spaced out is best for g per w

There`s a lot of units out there to choose from and with cob chips making your own lights is very easy too

Just stick the chip to a heatsink, get a driver, wire it up to the cob led (2 wires) wire the driver up to a plug (2 to 3 wires) and if it needs it get a fan for it

but we don`t all have the tools and the time, so sometimes I have to buy nice leds and sometimes what ever I can get

People talk shit about "cheap no brand led panels" but you can get results from them if you're realistic about how much power they really use

but when you pay £100 for an led that draws 500w you have some pretty low expectations, I mean they advertise it as a "1200w grow light" but if it only uses 500w then I would only expect it to match a 400w to 600w hps at best

some of these really expensive leds and some home made ones do seem to be getting a lot of g per w but sometimes that`s just down to the grower and strain

Best thing about a light you make is how fast you can fit it when it breaks, where as sending off emails and sending stuff back, or waiting for people to send you parts to fix the light with, that`s all a hassle

If I pay £100 for a 300w to 600w led light and it breaks after a year what do I care ? a 600w hps bulb is £30 to £60, and I can normally get good parts from broken led units so they get reused

So I don`t think a lot of people consider that when talking about budget panels


Jeez when it comes to leds kinda feels like there`s too much about them in my brain, lol

Haha! Well thanks for sharing some of it! I'd love to make my own panel but I'm no expert solderer or electrician. Wouldn't wanna take the risk and it takes time which I don't have much of right now.
I think I may do what you say and get a couple more a51 panels and hang them like you suggested. Won't be as uniform and how I want it but still should cover the area well

the w90`s will get you more penetration and the w100`s should fill in the rest of the dark spots nice

Better to mix types as you`ll get a feel for how cob`s are and then you know what suits you best for what shape plants and size of area, plus the cob`s will be easier to fix if anything go`s wrong with them

I mean there just driver, heatsink, fan and 1 cob led.... pretty simple to fix and diagnose that`s why so many people are using them far faster to build and you can get more light on an area with them

Thanks for you help man! I'll post up some pics when she's all set up!