Are You Ready For The TAXES????

CrackerJax

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GET READY!!!! The misery hasn't started yet (and you thought it was over...:lol:), but it's coming!!


The High Cost of Liberalism


Taxes too high? You ain't seen nothing yet.



By PETE DU PONT

Congress is in recess and many Americans are on vacation, but all that will end when Labor Day has passed and the House and Senate are back at work.
And that means the Europeanization of America will again be in full gear, from expanding government control and regulation of as many things as possible, to raising taxes, expanding the size of government, and reducing the choices individuals are allowed.
The Treasury reports that our country's federal debt has doubled in nine years, rising steadily, year by year, to $10.72 trillion from $5.67 trillion in 2000. Our deficit for the current year fiscal year, which ends Sept. 30, is expected to total $1.8 trillion, four times last year's figure, leaving us with a federal debt of $38,500 for every U.S. resident. Our economy is doing poorly; it will shrink about 2.6% this year. Unemployment in July reached 9.4% and will likely further increase, and tax revenues are down $353 billion over the first 10 months of this fiscal year.
So we can easily see what is just around the corner. Earlier this month Treasury Secretary Tim Geithner and Larry Summers, director of the National Economic Council, opened the door, suggesting that taxes on all taxpayers will have to go up. As Stephen Moore noted in The Wall Street Journal, "it would take almost $16,000 more from every household in America to balance the budget this year." We certainly won't get to balanced budgets for decades, but substantially higher taxation seems inevitable.
All of which leads to the essential economic question: Which tax increases do the current administration and Congress intend to enact? There are more than a dozen, all of which would negatively affect our economy.
One has already been signed into law by President Obama: an increase in the tax on tobacco, to $1.01 a pack of cigarettes from 39 cents, and to as much as 40 cents a cigar from a nickel--increases of 159% and 700%, respectively. This is expected to bring in $8 billion a year. Next up is a possible increase in alcohol, beer and wine taxes, raising about another $6 billion annually, and perhaps another $5 billion a year on sugary drinks will be enacted.
Then come a series of substantial tax increases that are on the Washington agenda that, if enacted, will create real problems for our country's economy.
First, allowing the expiration of the previous Bush administration tax cuts at the end of 2010. These reductions increased government tax receipts by $785 billion (just as the Kennedy and Reagan tax cuts increased tax revenues) and gave us eight million new jobs over a 52-month period. The cuts go away if Congress does nothing, raising tax rates on the top earners will to 39.6% from 35%, and on the next-highest bracket to 36% from 33%. The Joint Committee on Taxation estimates that 55% of these tax increases will come from small-business income.
Next comes Rep. Charles Rangel's additional tax increases, a part of the House health-care bill. The House Ways and Means chairman calls for a 1% surtax on couples with more than $350,000 in income, 1.5% on incomes more than $500,000, and 5.4% on incomes more than $1 million. The extra tax would kick in at lower levels for unmarried taxpayers. And if promised health-care cost savings don't materialize, the surtaxes would automatically double.
The House health-care bill contains several tax increases that would hit couples earning under $250,000 a year, contrary to President Obama's promises: $8.2 billion of tax increases for people using health savings accounts or other tax-free savings to purchase over-the-counter drugs; a "Comparative Effectiveness Research Tax" of $2 billion on all private and "public option" insurance, plus up to 8% paid by employers--mostly small businesses--that don't offer health insurance. There is even a proposed tax on individuals who do not have health insurance.
Then come some other tax increases the administration has favored:
• An increased tax on American companies doing business in other countries.
• Raising or abolishing the wage cap on Social Security taxes, which would effectively convert Social Security into a welfare program.
• Reducing the tax benefit for itemized deductions like charitable contributions, which would reduce philanthropy.
And then there's the Waxman-Markey "cap and trade" bill that has passed the House and will be taken up in the Senate this fall. It would give the government total control of the production, prices, availability and use of energy and add a global energy tax to imported goods--serious American protectionism. It would shrink America's economy by $400 billion each year and cause the loss of some 2.5 million jobs. For a household of four it would cost an average of about $3,000 a year. By 2035 the total family annual increased cost would be $4,600 for power, food, supplies, gasoline and transportation.
All told, the administration and Congress are pushing massive tax increases. Without a specific proposal we don't know how much taxes would go up if the Social Security ceiling is raised, but add the others up and we see up to $200 billion--and it could well be much more--in annual tax increases on businesses, individuals and the overall economy, which is already in recession.
The Wall Street Journal's Daniel Henninger observes that "to an independent voter or moderate Democrat, President Everyman is starting to look like a salesman for the superstate." These many proposed tax increases reinforce the point. They not only would be economically damaging, but chart a very scary course for our country.
 

jrh72582

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The Europeanization of America - sounds great to me! I welcome it with open arms.

And for the record, potentiality is not dictated by European history. How limiting. We can do things differently Cracker. We're not confided by their processes and policies.
 

CrackerJax

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If only...... the MAIN reason why EU looks anywhere near attractive (it's a thin veneer easily scratched), is because of the giant dynamo across the Atlantic doing all the heavy lifting economically. Once that dynamo is silenced....a cold wind is surely gonna blow right over the EU. It's no coincidence that the EU has expressed real concern over Obama's spending. WE ARE THE GOLDEN GOOSE TO THEM. They are scared..,,, and they should be.
 

The Warlord

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The Europeanization of America - sounds great to me! I welcome it with open arms.

And for the record, potentiality is not dictated by European history. How limiting. We can do things differently Cracker. We're not confided by their processes and policies.
Blasphemy.
 

jrh72582

Well-Known Member
If only...... the MAIN reason why EU looks anywhere near attractive (it's a thin veneer easily scratched), is because of the giant dynamo across the Atlantic doing all the heavy lifting economically. Once that dynamo is silenced....a cold wind is surely gonna blow right over the EU. It's no coincidence that the EU has expressed real concern over Obama's spending. WE ARE THE GOLDEN GOOSE TO THEM. They are scared..,,, and they should be.
China's the golden goose, my friend. Wait until their influence prevails.

Haven't seen anything corroborating this statement, but what would I know - I only live in Europe for two months a year.
 

CrackerJax

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Well since your a big Obama fan and he's pushing us right into the abyss and speeding up the asian century process, I have to wonder......
 

theycallmeoj

Active Member
I firmly believe 99.9% of people wearing suits in D.C. are crooks anyhow. Man, woman, Dem., Rep., black, white or something sorta in the middle. CROOKS. Taking money out of my pocket.

The EU surely hasn't set any standard for economics, health care or frankly, much of anything. Being the "big dog" of the globe, the U.S. affects pretty much everyone else. When our stock market dropped back to "reality", what did every other major market do? If you don't know, your likely retarded or you should just Google for the answer.

China, India, and the other "2nd world" countries simply don't have the capital, nor the proper setup to capitalize on anything. Along with all their government issues, combined with the loss of demand by the American market for goods, I don't see any of these countries "rising up" anytime soon.

When America hurts, the globe hurts. It may take awhile to trickle down, but be assured that when you piss your pants, you WILL have pee running down your leg.

If your a risk taker, move to one of the 2nd or 3rd world countries and start something up. Then pray the U.S. doesn't recover, goes bankrupt within the next 10 years, and you can somehow profit off of it. I suggest printing Monopoly money!?!?

I think someone needs to start passing around bullseye targets to their elected officals. Have them ponder just what that means. This should tell you who's smart, and who's not.

Before long, the next bill in congress will be the "kevlar vest bill"; allowing the purchase of bullet proof vests for elected officals. It might not be such a bad thing to consider.
 

CrackerJax

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45 posts and you come up with this winner. Good post, and pretty darn accurate.
I disagree with the 3rd world. They won't have the resources to weather the global meltdown too well, and being an American could get dicey overseas. Everyone is wondering what the heck is wrong with the US. Obama was rebuffed big time in Europe and instead of following his lead, they went the other way. Even Europe gets it. Not our guy though....... right off the cliff we go.

I'll expand on all this later, but real quick....here's what you need to do. I'm not going to use any specifics or names, since well, I can't take any chances with what I've already done in preparation for the meltdown.

Get your hot assets (stocks, money, anything liquid), and get them offshore. Tax free havens of course, but it's your choice. You can still trade the markets even though the $$ is elsewhere ( I still do). All of this so far is completely legal by the way. So far.... but I won't go there.

At some point the US money system is going to go offline as a global currency. There will be tips it is going to happen and when everyone is yelling at the top of their lungs that it's not going to happen..... it will. Either way, you will want to be out of US$$ before this time. Offhand I would go with Euros, but again, it's a choice. I think the implosion of the US$$ could be handled adeptly, but it's not a certainty. No matter what, the fallout will be a nightmare for the USA. The USA may never recover from it. It's a hard cold fact and I chill at the thought of the light going out, but numbers don't lie and speeches can't change numbers, only change listeners. It's not the same thing. We are all headed towards a reality that is out of a movie.... the news outlets are selling HOPE as fast as they can.....a verbal prescription that will not cure what ails us.

This is going to be the dance band on the Titanic I'm afraid. The concrete of failure is setting as we all talk about how it's not going to happen..... there's the rub...:wink:
 

The Warlord

Well-Known Member
Good point...............I'm changing all my money to ................................................................Iraqi Dinars........or maybe not :)
 

CrackerJax

New Member
As we sit here (stoned :lol:)...India, Russia, and China are coming together for a new regional currency. Now Russia is the three legged dog in that race but no matter...they will bring in all of eastern Europe with them.

If they actually do this, it will be the death knell for the USA. This is quite beyond our control by the way, no matter what the public face is. We have run out of leverage and credit.

China is especially worrisome. This hardly gets any press but China is running all around the world cutting raw resource deals with anyone who will sell them...and I do mean anyone. That's the worrisome part.... no human rights conditions, democratic principles washed away. This will bring together a coalition that can out produce the USA and isolate us politically and economically. This is the reason Russia is so gung ho for this. Finally their mantra that the USA is a dinosaur will come true. The communists will win after all...... and by our own hand no less. we have done it to ourselves. We are in perilous waters with exactly the wrong kind of leader and Congress..... get your rubber ducky ready....we stand a very good chance to excellent that the boat which is America will slip beneath the waves of prosperity and perhaps independence....
 

NoDrama

Well-Known Member
45 posts and you come up with this winner. Good post, and pretty darn accurate.
I disagree with the 3rd world. They won't have the resources to weather the global meltdown too well, and being an American could get dicey overseas. Everyone is wondering what the heck is wrong with the US. Obama was rebuffed big time in Europe and instead of following his lead, they went the other way. Even Europe gets it. Not our guy though....... right off the cliff we go.

I'll expand on all this later, but real quick....here's what you need to do. I'm not going to use any specifics or names, since well, I can't take any chances with what I've already done in preparation for the meltdown.

Get your hot assets (stocks, money, anything liquid), and get them offshore. Tax free havens of course, but it's your choice. You can still trade the markets even though the $$ is elsewhere ( I still do). All of this so far is completely legal by the way. So far.... but I won't go there.

At some point the US money system is going to go offline as a global currency. There will be tips it is going to happen and when everyone is yelling at the top of their lungs that it's not going to happen..... it will. Either way, you will want to be out of US$$ before this time. Offhand I would go with Euros, but again, it's a choice. I think the implosion of the US$$ could be handled adeptly, but it's not a certainty. No matter what, the fallout will be a nightmare for the USA. The USA may never recover from it. It's a hard cold fact and I chill at the thought of the light going out, but numbers don't lie and speeches can't change numbers, only change listeners. It's not the same thing. We are all headed towards a reality that is out of a movie.... the news outlets are selling HOPE as fast as they can.....a verbal prescription that will not cure what ails us.

This is going to be the dance band on the Titanic I'm afraid. The concrete of failure is setting as we all talk about how it's not going to happen..... there's the rub...:wink:
I can pretty much agree with this assertion. There are no "green Shoots" just a bunch of talking heads with very selective statistics to try and prove it is happening. If the economy goes completely in the shitter , people had better hope they have something tangible, US dollars will not buy anything.

Personally I have some mining stocks, a 401K, some land, no debt, a home and every week I buy gold and silver with every left over penny from my paycheck. I prefer precious metals because of the tax benefits ( You needn't pay any).
 

Woomeister

Well-Known Member
As we sit here (stoned :lol:)...India, Russia, and China are coming together for a new regional currency. Now Russia is the three legged dog in that race but no matter...they will bring in all of eastern Europe with them.

If they actually do this, it will be the death knell for the USA. This is quite beyond our control by the way, no matter what the public face is. We have run out of leverage and credit.

China is especially worrisome. This hardly gets any press but China is running all around the world cutting raw resource deals with anyone who will sell them...and I do mean anyone. That's the worrisome part.... no human rights conditions, democratic principles washed away. This will bring together a coalition that can out produce the USA and isolate us politically and economically. This is the reason Russia is so gung ho for this. Finally their mantra that the USA is a dinosaur will come true. The communists will win after all...... and by our own hand no less. we have done it to ourselves. We are in perilous waters with exactly the wrong kind of leader and Congress..... get your rubber ducky ready....we stand a very good chance to excellent that the boat which is America will slip beneath the waves of prosperity and perhaps independence....
I knew this day would happen, a post that I agree with from CJ.:clap: Yes China is trampling through Africa taking land at will and all for a few million $ here and there to the dictators. South Africa is starting to move further away from democracy with Zuma, and China is sending envoys over there continually trying to get a foothold in the mining sector. Having said all this I dont believe Eastern Europe follows the Russian lead anymore, The Ukraine has just allowed the Uk to buy swathes of land to produce more wheat and Russia is livid. Georgia is at loggerheads with Russia etc etc... I still think personally that N.Korea is the place to worry about KJI is up to something and sooner rather than later his son will take over and he is a complete nutcase. China has intentions of making the $ just another currency rather than the worlds first choice but it will take them a while, their reserves are vast though.
 

doobnVA

Well-Known Member
As we sit here (stoned :lol:)...India, Russia, and China are coming together for a new regional currency. Now Russia is the three legged dog in that race but no matter...they will bring in all of eastern Europe with them.

If they actually do this, it will be the death knell for the USA. This is quite beyond our control by the way, no matter what the public face is. We have run out of leverage and credit.

China is especially worrisome. This hardly gets any press but China is running all around the world cutting raw resource deals with anyone who will sell them...and I do mean anyone. That's the worrisome part.... no human rights conditions, democratic principles washed away. This will bring together a coalition that can out produce the USA and isolate us politically and economically. This is the reason Russia is so gung ho for this. Finally their mantra that the USA is a dinosaur will come true. The communists will win after all...... and by our own hand no less. we have done it to ourselves. We are in perilous waters with exactly the wrong kind of leader and Congress..... get your rubber ducky ready....we stand a very good chance to excellent that the boat which is America will slip beneath the waves of prosperity and perhaps independence....
Actually, I think what they're doing is trying to find an "alternative" global currency to the American dollar, because we are currently fucking everything up so badly that they can't depend on our currency. It's unstable, and nobody wants to use it anymore.

This isn't some sort of new "asian union" or anything, it's a group of nations that have already come together under some sort of agreement, and now they're just trying to get away from our doomed dollars and into another system of currency.

anyway, I could be mistaken. Couldn't find anything on the subject other than the G8 summit that took place a few months ago.
 

Woomeister

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you may find this enlightening, at least from the Chinese perspective anyway.

China's swipes at the U.S. dollar have been spilling out of Beijing with almost mundane regularity. Every time there is an international economic summit, it seems that some Chinese mandarin reiterates the now familiar complaint that the greenback needs to be replaced as the world's de facto reserve currency. China usually suggests some "supranational" currency as a dollar substitute, to protect it against instability that could arise from any one country's errant economic policies. A favorite suggestion is the use of Special Drawing Rights (SDRs), the unit of account at the International Monetary Fund.
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But Beijing's leaders may also see China's own currency, the yuan (also known as the renminbi), as a possible alternative to the dollar. There are indications that China intends to make the yuan a greater factor in international trade and investment, a development that, if successful, would have major implications for the global financial system. HSBC economist Qu Hongbin believes that the yuan could become one of the top three currencies in the world by 2012, with some $2 trillion in trade transacted in the Chinese currency each year. "The internationalization of the renminbi has become a leading item on the policy agenda" in Beijing, Qu concluded in a recent report. (See pictures of the global financial crisis.)
To an extent, a global role for the yuan appears inevitable. How widely a currency is used around the world is usually a function of how important its home country is to the global economy. During the 19th century, when the British Empire reigned supreme, the pound was the top international currency. Since World War II, that role has been played by the dollar, with the U.S. having by far the world's biggest economy. Now that China is rapidly charging up the list — it currently ranks third and could overtake Japan as No. 2 as soon as next year — there is good reason to believe the yuan could dash into the big league of global currencies.
Right now, however, the yuan is far from that league. In fact, it is practically nowhere to be found in world currency markets. The reason is Chinese policy. Government restrictions prevent the yuan from trading freely around the world or being fully convertible to other currencies in all financial transactions. The yuan's value is pegged to a basket of currencies likely dominated by the U.S. dollar and is permitted to change each day only within a narrow band. Under such limitations, China's dreams for the yuan cannot progress very far. (Read "Outlook for U.S. Dollar Darkens.")
There are signs, though, that Beijing may be slowly changing its policy toward the yuan in ways that could, over time, lead to its greater use on a global scale. Most notably, China and Hong Kong launched a pilot program this month through which Hong Kong banks can begin settling cross-border trade transactions in yuan for selected Chinese companies. This step will likely increase the use of yuan in Hong Kong, one of the world's premier financial centers. (The program also solidifies Hong Kong's role as China's chief financial hub.) This step follows a series of "swap agreements" concluded with foreign countries that allow their central banks to acquire yuan for use in trade with China. So far this year, the Chinese central bank has inked six such agreements — with nations including Argentina, Malaysia and Indonesia — totaling 650 billion yuan ($95 billion).
China's motivations to boost the global standing of the yuan stem from the same concerns as its calls for a new reserve currency. Greater use of the yuan in trade would improve the competitiveness of Chinese exporters by reducing transaction costs and currency risks. By internationalizing the yuan, says HSBC's Qu, China can also begin extricating itself from the "dollar trap," in which the country, through its trade, amasses giant surpluses of dollars, which forces it to invest in dollar assets. This is why China, which holds $805 billion in U.S. Treasury securities, is the U.S.'s largest creditor. But this dollar hoard makes China's national wealth vulnerable to the whims of Washington's economic management. One of the reasons Beijing has been urging a gradual reduction in dollar dependence is the massive losses China could suffer if the value of the greenback was to erode as a result of U.S. deficit spending. (Read "China Takes a Small Step Away from the Dollar.")
Yet some analysts say China is still far from ready to undertake the dramatic reforms necessary to allow the yuan to be a true international player. Making the yuan a freely traded currency would mean losing control over its value and flows of capital in and out of the country. This is a step Beijing's economic policymakers remain fearful of taking, since they still feel the need to protect China's developing domestic financial sector from shifts in the global economy. China sees its controlled currency as a "dam surrounding a reservoir, and the government doesn't know what would happen if it blew up the dam," says David Li, an economist at Tsinghua University in Beijing. "Would water flood out because the level inside the dam is higher than outside or would the opposite happen? That's what they are afraid of, that uncertainty." Li believes it could take 15 years for China to make the yuan a fully convertible currency. Laurence Brahm, a China expert and author of the new book The Anti-Globalization Breakfast Club, seconds this view. Though Brahm believes that China has a long-term goal of making the yuan a top-tier global currency, he says that the major reforms needed may have to wait until new leaders come to power. "During the administration of [President] Hu Jintao, a conservative leadership, I don't think they want to do anything that is too reformist," Brahm says.
Nor are there signs that China is ready to ditch the dollar. Derek Scissors, a research fellow at the Heritage Foundation's Asian Studies Center, points out that Chinese official holdings of U.S. Treasury bills have increased by 50% in the past 12 months, as China continues to invest its ever increasing stash of dollars. "Cheap talk aside, China is actually the biggest supporter of the dollar," says Scissors. "It has no choice." Don't expect to change those greenbacks for redbacks anytime soon
 

CrackerJax

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Actually, I think what they're doing is trying to find an "alternative" global currency to the American dollar, because we are currently fucking everything up so badly that they can't depend on our currency. It's unstable, and nobody wants to use it anymore.

This isn't some sort of new "asian union" or anything, it's a group of nations that have already come together under some sort of agreement, and now they're just trying to get away from our doomed dollars and into another system of currency.

anyway, I could be mistaken. Couldn't find anything on the subject other than the G8 summit that took place a few months ago.
No, they have always been playing the long game, not the short. Ppl seem to think if the USA is knocked down a few pegs, all will be well.... it will not be. It will be chaotic. Think the EU is going to last with us gone? Not likely. Think Russia is going to play nice during the winters with heating fuels? Not likely. Think China is going to treat you better than they treat their own citizens? Not likely.

No, it's not about being fed up...it's about feeding off of us and biding their time...waiting. We swing around politically all the time, a side effect of free voting cycles. China has much less swings and have been working consistently towards their goal of defeating us with their best weapon.....financials. The Roman Empire took awhile to get to the point of collapse, but when it did....it was over forever. The USA will be no exception. The EU will be no exception.

There is a real chance, not an outside chance, but a real chance this will come to pass. You can't tell from Washington though......

Think the new world order is going to treat you better? Not likely.

The new world order, if it comes to pass, won't be based on democracy...... time you all figure that out.



Thanks Woo for the article...I'm up to speed on the Chinese..... unfortunately.
 
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