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Are teas a MUST in living organic soil?

Discussion in 'Organics' started by keepsake, Nov 1, 2017.

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    keepsake

    keepsake Well-Known Member

    This is my first run at organic living soil. I have a seedling in a 15gal fabric pot of Coot's mix soil. I don't have a compost tea brewing system so I can not make any teas that require bubbling/aerating. How detrimental will it be for my grow to not use these types of teas?

    What I will use is:

    Organic coconut water: 1/4 per gallon of water
    Fresh, raw aloe vera: 1 tablespoon of flesh per gallon (blended thoroughly); soil feed & foliar
    Lactic acid bacteria, EM1, and AEM: 1oz per gallon; foliar spray once a week

    Some questions:

    1) how often should I top dress with worm castings?
    2) how often should I top dress with grounded malted barley?
    3) alfalfa meal? do I top dress with that too? how often?
     
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    hyroot

    hyroot Well-Known Member

    If you are top dressing there's no need for tea's

    Malted barley - every 2 weeks
    Worm castings - every 4 weeks
    Alfalfa- only in teas if deficiencies occur

    Aem soil feed every 10 days (1/4 cup per gallon)

    Coconut water isn't necessary if you are top dressing malted barley. Coco water is an alternative to seed sprout tea's
     
    Last edited: Nov 2, 2017
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    Rasta Roy

    Rasta Roy Well-Known Member

    Unless you are using a microscope and are able to identify bacteria then you shouldn't be making teas anyway friend!
     
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    SchmoeJoe

    SchmoeJoe Well-Known Member

    You don't have to be able to id the different species of bacteria to be able to benefit from them.
     
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    Rasta Roy

    Rasta Roy Well-Known Member

    You are cultivating bacteria.

    Not all species of bacteria are beneficial, and if you can't identify harmful bacteria then why would you risk multiplying them? You could unknowingly start a pandemic.
    The woman who did all the compost tea research herself says you shouldn't be applying them unless you are using a microscope and can identify the different types of bacteria.
     
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    Rasta Roy

    Rasta Roy Well-Known Member

    I used to promote compost tea use, I haven't used them in almost a year. My product quality and crop sizes haven't experienced any loss.
     
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    keepsake

    keepsake Well-Known Member

    So top dressing with compost is just as good as teas if not better?

    Coot did say theres no point to doing barley sst and all he does now is just top dress with it.
     
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    SchmoeJoe

    SchmoeJoe Well-Known Member

    A pandemic? Seriously? If you're using a known inoculant source then you know what species of bacteria you're culturing with no need for a microscope.
     
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    GreenLogician

    GreenLogician Well-Known Member

    Sometimes when I buy worm castings they also sell a bottle of 'worm wee', which allegedly isn't about nutrients but the microbes - can I trust that they are good microbes?
     
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    SchmoeJoe

    SchmoeJoe Well-Known Member

    For sure. Worms only multiply and concentrate the already present beneficial soil microbes.

    The big thing about actually doing your own AACT is that you should be starting with either fresh high-quality compost or a commercial beneficial inoculant. As long as you start with a good source of beneficials and create the proper environment for them they will out compete any unwanted organisms.
     
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    Fastslappy

    Fastslappy Well-Known Member

    No need for a tea if using Coot's mix
    I use corn sst with great success
    Corn has a higher enzymes levels , plus it has allot starches,sugars
    I also use malted corn grd into flour for top dress mix

    Top dress mix is,
    Neem
    Malted corn
    Small amount oyster or egg shells flour sized
    Kelp
    Ewc
    Myco
    Comfrey
    The added myco oyster,egg is the secret sauce as it makes the top dress go full inoculation in a day or so in myco fungus your roots will be growing into it in days
     
    Last edited: Nov 10, 2017
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    Wetdog

    Wetdog Well-Known Member

    I quit using teas ~7 years ago when I noticed the same thing and had some convos with LD (Lumper Dawg), about this.

    Now, it's going to a whole nother level with the top dressing.

    Basically now it's taking whatever amendments you would normally top dress with, running them through your worm bin and using the resulting VC as a single top dress for everything.

    I've been doing something similar for several years but with much smaller amounts of amendments and it works a treat. But, was still top dressing individual amendments. This just makes total sense because the scaled down version works so well.

    If you haven't yet, you really ought to make starting a worm bin a priority.
     
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    Rasta Roy

    Rasta Roy Well-Known Member

    No you can't. Especially if they are bottling it.
     
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    Rasta Roy

    Rasta Roy Well-Known Member

    Yeah man, seriously. Pandemics have been started because of simple stupid shit like this before. Multiplying bacteria isn't just for fun backyard science.

    How could you have a known innoculent source? Unless you are doing your own compost and worm bin, but even then...are you testing to make sure your heap is staying at the right temperature to kill off pathogens? Are you getting your compost tested after it's completed to make sure all the harmful by products have dissipated? Did you really take the time and effort to get to know your inoculent source?

    That's not even getting into commercial compost production. A lot more opportunities for random objects that carry god knows what to end up in those piles.

    Not trying to bust your balls friend just telling you something you probably don't want to hear, I went through it too.

    But trust me, you won't miss the teas in your regimen. The microbes will still develop in your soil, and your plants will still kick as much ass as ever.
     
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    Wetdog

    Wetdog Well-Known Member

    Totally agree with RR on this.

    The absolute best thing you can do for organic growing is start your own worm bin. All you need is a unused corner and 2' x 3' of space.

    To call it a game changer would be an understatement. Really!
     
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    Fastslappy

    Fastslappy Well-Known Member

    Roy is going on about teas but there's two types full act brewing life or do extraction teas that breakdown admendments thru enzymes & bubble action these r teas that brew short periods, your not growing bacto
    8 -10 hrs I did mine .so i'D do two a day for the trees I was growing ,this was before I went Coot's mix
     
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    Fastslappy

    Fastslappy Well-Known Member

    Tea brewing anyway is allot of WORK
     
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    hillbill

    hillbill Well-Known Member

    Growing in large containers works well with just water. As far as culturing a pandemic, I worry a thousand times more about Cattle, poultry and hog CAFOs that surround me and spray untreated sewage on fields in a karst geology. Make that 10,000 times more concerned.

    I grow in small containers and use teas in rotation with clear water. I use them on the herb as well as ornamentals and mints and such. Been doing that for ten years. My containers need a. Little boost.
     
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    SchmoeJoe

    SchmoeJoe Well-Known Member

    I use Roots Organism. It has a complete list of it's bacterial and myological inoculants. No microscope needed.
     
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    ANC

    ANC Well-Known Member

    This.
     
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