BBbubblegum
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Usually yes because the have to have some ruderalis genetics which unfortunatley have very low THC
are autoflowers less potent than photoperiod plants?
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Jack Harer
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Back in the mid 70's when I first heard of C. Ruderalis, One of my big brothers friends had gotten snagged bringing some back from Northern Nepal. At the time, C Sativa and C Indica ere illegal, and ruderalis had just recently been classified. His attorney beat the case because ruderalis wasnt classified as a drug as were Sativas and indicas. At the time, I had no idea why he would risk bringing that crap back thru customs (even back then). I remembered him when I heard about the "lowryders". He really WAS a great grower. Heres an article thath shedds more light on the breeding aspect of Ruderalis: http://www.cannabisculture.com/articles/3033.html
All one has to do is look at where the 3 main species of cannabis originate. For the most part, Sativas are equatorial to tropical, Indicas tropical to sub tropical, and Ruderalis being found in the most northern climes. Sats have an extremely long growing season available at the latitudes found, Indicas generally have a much shorter growing season, and this is reflected by the flowering times exhibited by them. Being from way up north, Ruderalises sometimes have an incredibly shorter growing season, many times in areas in areas like the russian steppes or China they can get 2 hr days or 2 hr nights depending on season, so it pretty much adapted to this and flowering became time dependent rather than photo period dependent. Where the plant is from pretty much dictates it's flowering times. I still dont believe the THC content warrants a purchase of beans, but now I am curious and would grow them and try 'em anyway (IF they were freebies)
I'm glad I ran across this thread, Thanx for posting it BDE. I really learned some shit this afternoon. I did a bunch of catch up reading on Ruderalis. Evidently it aint the "smoke 5 bowls to get a buzz" shit I had smoked before. They've apparently come along way, and I found out that Nevil (original Seed Bank) did a lot of experimental breeding with the genetics!
I REALLY hate to be the one to break this to ya dude, but Hemp = Cannabis Sativa L. They're one and the same plant, merely bred for different characteristics.
NewSchoolgrower
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Is all u do is hate on ppl?
beginner.legal.growop
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great post man, I had to check some of the stuff you said to make sure it was all right because I was a little skeptical. Glad to say its all 100% correct. (wasnt sure if places in china really received 20 hours of light per day, because my sister lives in china, and believe it or not there is!) Thanks for the info! I have come across this link before, never really read through it all until now. Great read, learned a couple new things.
Also you say your buddy WAS a great grower, that is past tense. What happened to him?
who? Me, Jack Harer, or PJ Diaz?
Jack Harer
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Dude had cancer (Ironic, right?)
beginner.legal.growop
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Yes ironic indeed, I thought you were gonna say he went to jail or something else. haha
puffdatchronic
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well basicly ,autos are normal cannabis genetics bred with rudaralis aka no % thc.. so yes...
potpimp
Sector 5 Moderator
I find it interesting that some see companies claim huge THC % for their plants, in the 25% range. It's not hard to imagine a quarter of something, so imagine a 4 oz bud... now imagine 1 oz of pure THC resin from that. Is your brain totally rejecting that? Is your BS detector going nuts? Yeah, it should be. It seems that every year the seed companies have to outdo one another. I saw one scam for seeds that were like $200 for 5 "magic beans" (remember Jack and the beanstalk?), claiming the THC was 85%, LMAO!!! Like P.T. Barnum said "There's a sucker born every minute."
iblazetoomuch
Active Member
When you guys smoke autoflower strains compared to the average photoperiod (not the most potent), you still get decently high the same? I actually didn't think it would be much noticeable, I've been smoking for about 11 straight and never really had ability to get anything special, or high potent. My town is small and we only have like 1-2 types going around at any given time, normally just refer to as either commercial or seedless/"greenbud", lol. As you can imagine the seeds sites pictures and descriptions had me drooling, they do advertise well for the avid first timer wanting to try a grow.
I have plenty of friends who smoke the same type of stuff in our small town but nobody grows that I know personally, or they know. (town is only like 1-2,000 that I know of, and total of like 8,000..lol)
I have plenty of friends who smoke the same type of stuff in our small town but nobody grows that I know personally, or they know. (town is only like 1-2,000 that I know of, and total of like 8,000..lol)
PJ Diaz
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You've said some pretty dumb stuff here that's not even worth spending the time debating.bow down to the presence of ALAH! ahahah submitting that easy man? I thought this was going to be an RIU brawl. hahah.
The reason you say "no thanks" is because there is nothing for you to disprove. Everything I have said in that statement about that certain type of bamboo and the first two sentences is flawless. FLAWLESS!!!!!!!! I TELL YOU!!!! hah
Just admit you were trying to pick a fight about a silly little statement that was NOT supposed to be taken literally. The first two sentences and the statement about the bamboo that grows 35 inches per day was me being serious. Everything else was pure sarcasm.
I am sure you probably went into your little search bar and couldn't find diddly squat! If you would like to debate about who knows more in the field of growing, maybe you should trying attacking a post that was not 75% sarcasm... And also maybe you should brush up on your genetic cloning, in the world we live in it is possible to cross any two species. Sure you might end up with all mutants but it is still possible. Have you ever heard of BT, it kills caterpillars and is a bacteria. Scientists made a strain of cotton called BT cotton, by infusing the genes of the bacteria with a certain part of the plant, the plant now grows the bt inside of it. Killing every Caterpillar that eats it. So please tell me, if they can genetically engineer bacteria with a fucking plant, why wouldnt they be able to cross two totally different species. BT Corn, blueberry x strawberry, the lists goes on man. So please tell my why they couldnt cross a cannabis plant with the fastest growing bamboo plant by mixing genes? hmmmmm I believe you just got owned my friend.
Now once again. If you cannot disprove any of the stuff I have said, then please do not ever reply to something I say unless you hold creditable evidence that disproves what I have stated in the past/present.
Good bye and have a nice day!
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Also I would like to say thank you to hotrodharley for the rep.much appreciated man!
Exactly. Thanks for providing the OP with the info I hinted at for him to research. Too bad beginner grower was too busy spending his time in delusion-ville to research for himself.
PJ Diaz
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Shut up dude.
Let's review your contributions here real quick:
https://www.rollitup.org/outdoor-growing/608145-new-way-growing.html
https://www.rollitup.org/grow-room-design-setup/608143-revolutionary-way-growing.html
https://www.rollitup.org/general-marijuana-growing/607991-new-way-growing-no-electricity.html
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beginner.legal.growop
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haha, you humor me. you still just keep blabbing on about how I say dumb stuff, yet you dont point out any of the wrong stuff I have said.
I would like you to point out where I said/showed I didnt know anything about auto flowering plants?!? I said that autos can get as high as 22% TRUE, and photo periods can get as high as 27% TRUE. The fact that I CLEARLY stated that autos had a lower thc value would tell someone with common sense that I knew why autos have less thc. For all you know due to hybrid crosses or new methods of growing we could reach plants that have higher than 30% thc, therefore with higher thc photoperiod plants comes higher thc ruderalis plants. Just because you have not seen it, does not mean it wont happen. It can and will happen.
Stop putting words in my mouth, you have been owned and forever will be OWNED. Good bye, I am not going to argue with your ignorant ass for any longer, so all you can do now is put some more words in my mouth.
This fool doesn't only hate one people, he likes to put words in other peoples mouths. He is a loser who likes to go around f**king with everyone, starting shit that doesn't need to be started. Just do exactly what I am about to do, ignore him.
PJ Diaz
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Have fun with your autos my friend. I hope they do your well.
polyarcturus
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read my sig ll you need to know in.... well life.
potpimp
Sector 5 Moderator
I have to stick up for PJ; he has proven his knowledge and not just knowledge but many actual successful grows here, which is something a lot of people here have not done. I've recently come across a couple of growers here in Alaska that have grown autos to over 6' tall. He does extensive cannabis breeding. So, I guess anything is possible; there is always the exception to the rule, but generally autos tend to be very small plants, yielding grams, not ounces.
Chronic Masterbator
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Duh!!! I know hemp is part of the cannabis family. My statement meant to infer that autos better have that THC kick. The only thing people use them for is the auto trait. I bred my own autos with a resinous male from a normal photo period male. In theory I think y'all Alaska boys should try go breed sativa into the ruderalis beans you have. The resulting cross I would assume will be potent but look for fast flowering parents and then back cross on the 3rd or 4th generation. Should work cause you can induce flowering on the male early. But one would have to grow the male out to finf desired traits. This is how I bred my autos. I live close to the equator though. So if I lived in Alaska I might breed with a indica or indi sativa cross male. But I don't and won't ever buy auto seeds. But I will tinker with the freebies
Jack Harer
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CM, you wouldn't BELIEVE the amount of dumbasses who will argue to the death that the plants we grow are NOT hemp & are 2 different species!! (How could it possibly be...Hemp is ditchweed) I was sorta joking (But ya never know)
Chronic Masterbator
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Yeah I hear ya Jack its like saying that dogs are not related to wolfs. If that's the case then I'm smoking some shit that aliens left here ... that is if it's not related to hemp. But for real I note a lot of the autos are hemp like. I hate seeing flowers without frost. And a few autos I tried not worth it. Delicious seeds photoperiod strains are good. However I got a free LA diva auto it sucked. I got it with some vertigo autos from paradise. Omg paradise over sold that shit. Out of six beans only 2 produced a lil more than a zip. I got a jack auto from freedom of seeds. It sucked but grew nice and vigorous but again no frost. So only way I try them is if there free and if I have space. The only one I might buy ever is from serious seeds. Simon in my opinion is a great breeder and with his strains being pretty stable I would say his white Russian auto is good.
tekdc911
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well theres a few auto's that have a higher thc content when young then when there fully matured