foreverflyhi
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We all saw that coming
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GG, how about blind test with your friends? Where they able to tell a diffrence? Sorry if you posted something like this before
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Apache AT600 led vs 1000w HPS Blue Dream Grow
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GG, how about blind test with your friends? Where they able to tell a diffrence? Sorry if you posted something like this before
OutofLEDCloset
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Space the final frontier.
SupraSPL
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Awesome data GG thank you! If I understand, that was the Hortilux Eye super HPS with "25% more energy in the violet, blue, and green spectrum"? I have used both standard HPS and enhanced spectrum and the color difference is noticeable. So for growers switching from standard HPS to LED the difference may be greater.
swagslayer420
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to bad Apache doesn't let you use discount code anymore 
Greengenes707
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Ya it sucks. I'm seeing what I can do. A gg707 code would be clutch. What's funny is when it first came out my code dropped it to 1650$(Not much over production cost)...everyone should have believed me it was going to be the true 1K replacement and jumped on it then.to bad Apache doesn't let you use discount code anymore
Worst case is I start an online shop since I can be a wholesaler anytime...and then just pass the savings on to my followers. A legal way of going about giving major discounts like that...the lengths I got to for you guys sometimes.
It's a hortilux super hps 1000w. I think that is the same you're referencing. I'll check the box when I get home if I still have it.
swagslayer420
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Thanks GG!
was looking to purchase one so I can flower my 2x Sin City Whitenightmare's, 2x Cotton Candy's, 1x Dinafem Og kush, 2x Mr. Nice Black Widow's that are going on week 6 veg.
FranJan
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That's why we love ya baby! Plus see how all the karma you generated got you a fab girlfriend
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Greengenes707
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Sounds like you need to call them and get on it asap.Thanks GG!
You guys are all my friends and I am always here to contribute to our community. I do it for the fun and for myself just as much as anything else's too.That's why we love ya baby! Plus see how all the karma you generated got you a fab girlfriend
I'll use her for size comparisons again more often
You are very welcome. I am glad to be helping someone willing to watch with open eyes.Thanks man,I do appreciate all you have done.
Greengenes707
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So here's the best point of all that I didn't really realize till last night...
LED: 656g@27%=177.12g of Cannabinoids...175.15g of it THC
HPS: 677g@25%=169.25g of Cannabinoids...162.48g of it THC
LED: 656g@27%=177.12g of Cannabinoids...175.15g of it THC
HPS: 677g@25%=169.25g of Cannabinoids...162.48g of it THC
vladimiroslav
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Awesome!
GG, can we say that the power you used with the Apache was half of what you would have consumed with the HPS if we consider that the HPS requires more climate control than for the led (AC, humidifier,..) ? I also guess your watering and nutrients schedule was the same for both grows since it was in the same room... but do you think there would be a difference of quantity of water and nutrients used if they were in 2 different rooms or growtents?
GG, can we say that the power you used with the Apache was half of what you would have consumed with the HPS if we consider that the HPS requires more climate control than for the led (AC, humidifier,..) ? I also guess your watering and nutrients schedule was the same for both grows since it was in the same room... but do you think there would be a difference of quantity of water and nutrients used if they were in 2 different rooms or growtents?
Greengenes707
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About 50% is a good number. And that is just on a fresh air system. But when running sealed and/or AC I can see that savings going higher. AC are power hungry machines. I just bought a new one last night so I can run co2 and as much watts anytime of year.
Water/nutrients are an interesting thing. Yes and no. They are still growing very fast and rapid so the plants are using the water just as fast as it evaporates naturally. A little less nutrients maybe...but not significant imo.
It's ok. We don't need to rile them up. I'm some have seen.
I can honestly say that there is very little that anyone could pick at about this garden other than at my abilities...I didn't hit record breaking yields, but very repeatable never the less. There are a few that I can think of I'm waiting for someone to say...but I think when people(even hps diehards) see a true good run, even the most stubborn will tip the cap. No one is asking them to switch...just recognize that LED's are in the true players game and here to stay.
I have tangled with a few of the hps diehards and they really are an obstinate bunch. Even after looking at your great side by side which shows without a doubt that a good led grow can produce at least as much (if not more) and as high a quality (if not better) as a good hps grow and saving about a third of electric costs, they deny it. Thanks for showin everybody gg
HockeyBeard
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Whew! Long read! Worth it! 
Chronikool
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HPS vs LED... Black vs White...Us and them
Really old mentalities....all growers...choose your weapon and letz sit down and suck on each other's pipez...
Not meant to be raining on your grow 'Genie...
Really old mentalities....all growers...choose your weapon and letz sit down and suck on each other's pipez...
Not meant to be raining on your grow 'Genie...
vitamin_green_inc
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Yeah, to each their own IMO. The problem is that not every LED can equal the Apache, and nearly every HPS can equal each other, respective of their watts of course...so many of the "hobby" growers are going to look into China led and other options because you have to grow for awhile to meet the cost and "hobbyists" aren't going to be thinkig this when they first get in and Boom, they get burned hella easy. I also wish Apache had a coupon because that smaller light is outrageous both in price and in how damn amazing it is and I wantsssss ittttt
Greengenes707
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Just a general speech not directed at anyone when I say "you"....
I am a prime candidate for led's...$0.33/KwH...so my ROI is quicker than most.
I have been using the best(apache) from the start of my led experience pretty much. And it has taken me/the technology all the way to this point to where I can actually say that led's have equalled or surpassed hps in capabilities. That is that the best led's can compete with sufficiently low enough wattage to it's hps counter part to be a viable option to switch. Price is something that I have always left out of it because it is something you either get it and understand...or you don't. Or option 3(very few take this one), acknowledge the fact that to produce a better product it takes more expensive equipment sometimes.
But it does pay back if you let it. I understand cost is a big issue and concern...and needs to come down. But in the mid-long term view it's profitable just on the basic energy savings, and increases somewhat exponentially with larger facility sizes and the cooling benefits.
I know everyone hates to cut into their harvest for pay backs...but a single AT600 is capable of pumping out 7.5-9#'s a year. I better grower could pull more. I don't know what units go for in everyones area...but if you are turning over crops, up front cost honestly aren't an issue as long as it performs. Could just be half a light's harvest worth for full pay back, the other half to sustain what ever it is you normally do with a harvest. Just based on 2.5/#...I now people are capable of getting more for their product.
For a facility/someone who is dialed, experienced, and has a successful working system in place...they should have very little issues if any when switching over.
Or option...get a day job to support your led addiction
I am a prime candidate for led's...$0.33/KwH...so my ROI is quicker than most.
I have been using the best(apache) from the start of my led experience pretty much. And it has taken me/the technology all the way to this point to where I can actually say that led's have equalled or surpassed hps in capabilities. That is that the best led's can compete with sufficiently low enough wattage to it's hps counter part to be a viable option to switch. Price is something that I have always left out of it because it is something you either get it and understand...or you don't. Or option 3(very few take this one), acknowledge the fact that to produce a better product it takes more expensive equipment sometimes.
But it does pay back if you let it. I understand cost is a big issue and concern...and needs to come down. But in the mid-long term view it's profitable just on the basic energy savings, and increases somewhat exponentially with larger facility sizes and the cooling benefits.
I know everyone hates to cut into their harvest for pay backs...but a single AT600 is capable of pumping out 7.5-9#'s a year. I better grower could pull more. I don't know what units go for in everyones area...but if you are turning over crops, up front cost honestly aren't an issue as long as it performs. Could just be half a light's harvest worth for full pay back, the other half to sustain what ever it is you normally do with a harvest. Just based on 2.5/#...I now people are capable of getting more for their product.
For a facility/someone who is dialed, experienced, and has a successful working system in place...they should have very little issues if any when switching over.
Or option...get a day job to support your led addiction
vitamin_green_inc
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Yes I understand the price part, which is why I said it takes awhile, and tbh as a human being, I do love my hobbies and my MJ, but 1-2-3-4 years for a small again I stress the word "hobbyist" the initial startup cost even with the savings etc. will take a long time to balance out. I, as someone who needs to remain stealthy, know all bout the electrical savings as well as the lack of noticible growing on my bill...but really we are just agreeing with each other, and I still want you to give me a code 
So as I understand it you have not tried any of the other LED systems out there? I'm curious if you've looked into BML? It would appear they deliver greater efficiency (more PAR per watt) and perhaps good value (more PAR per dollar) but I'm not sure if they deliver enough intensity (PAR μmol/m2/s). Curious to know your thoughts...
Thanks for the videos and the thread. Great work.
Thanks for the videos and the thread. Great work.