Apache AT600 led vs 1000w HPS Blue Dream Grow

PSUAGRO.

PSUAGRO.

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Greengenes707 said:
I never have had the success with 600's that I have with 1000's. And commercial growers and larger scale choose 1000's too. Both of this are big reasons for why I choose it.
And also a big thing to note is that I didn't skimp on anything for the hps...
Hortilux 1000w super hps(best other than double ended)
Solis tek 1000 digital dimable ballast(GH's highest PAR output winner)
Raptor hood(GH's best spread winner)
Externally ran ballast on 240v
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No question your running the best gear. Of course commercial is all about 1000w, less lights/fixtures for the same area.

I'm talking about the most efficient hid bulb is the 600w hps easily........hence harder to beat than the thousand with gpw.

My Pos phone..driving me crazy
 
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chazbolin

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Of course commercial is all about 1000w, less lights/fixtures for the same area.
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Mr. P I can tell you that there has been a definite change in commercial growers attitudes towards energy efficient technologies. They are far more open to discussions than ever before. And beating a 600 watt HPS in yield has never been a challenge.

Thanks man. Exactly. And that has brought me to this point. Even if the AT looses, I don't see any other light(s) being able to beat it or the 1000hps. AT fully supported this this test from the get go and still does. I am a little worried...but AT is feeling great about it. No other company is willing to put their light head to head against a 1000hps...not even a 600 or 400 for that matter. I would love to see more lights show down with their hps counterparts. led vs led would be cool too...but we are not trying to replace led...yet. One day when led's are the go to in growing that will matter, but for now hps needs to go down.
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Don't get discouraged G. It's still way early but if the AT doesn't match the 1000 watt HPS side in weight maybe run it up against a 600 watt HPS so at least you have a watt to watt comparison. And as far as more companies throwing in for side by sides I could not agree more. Might I suggest a summer run with the AT against the IG 420/Pontoon in the future. You'll knock off at least 500 watts (over the thouie) and a boat load of heat with that trial. If anyone can do it that would be you since you have the skills and already own both lights.
 
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Greengenes707

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No question your running the best gear. Of course commercial is all about 1000w, less lights/fixtures for the same area.

I'm talking about the most efficient hid bulb is the 600w hps easily........hence harder to beat than the thousand with gpw.

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What is interesting is that the double ended has a slightly lower lm/w...but put's out more photons 1000w to 1000w...and can go higher(1150w) without stress on the bulb.
chazbolin said:
Mr. P I can tell you that there has been a definite change in commercial growers attitudes towards energy efficient technologies. They are far more open to discussions than ever before. And beating a 600 watt HPS in yield has never been a challenge.

Don't get discouraged G. It's still way early but if the AT doesn't match the 1000 watt HPS side in weight maybe run it up against a 600 watt HPS so at least you have a watt to watt comparison. And as far as more companies throwing in for side by sides I could not agree more. Might I suggest a summer run with the AT against the IG 420/Pontoon in the future. You'll knock off at least 500 watts (over the thouie) and a boat load of heat with that trial. If anyone can do it that would be you since you have the skills and already own both lights.
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It's in the plans. This is the last real controlled test that I'll do. After this it will just be a room packed with great lights and big plants.
 
PSUAGRO.

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Interesting about the DE bulbs, is that more about a uniform output or the fact that they almost always come with top end reflectors included in the package (-5% loss)
 
Greengenes707

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PSUAGRO. said:
Interesting about the DE bulbs, is that more about a uniform output or the fact that they almost always come with top end reflectors included in the package (-5% loss)
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It's actually kind of a rectangle in output footprint...but still better than a hortilux in every reflector they make except the epappion.
Even wing vs wing the DE is putting out more light.
 
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joe macclennan

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PSUAGRO. said:
bolding this^^^^^^ for my "slower" friends.......................... :hump:

600w hps is harder to beat than a most 1000w hps ,

be safe GG
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If you think that it works out this way exactly your nuts.
it takes roughly 6k btus of ac to cool 1k worth of uncooled hid.. not 3.4k btu due to the inefficiency of the bulb. Ideally led's would run cooler watt for watt since they are more efficient.


things don't always work out irl as they do on paper bud. That's why I was asking for more specific measurements...nothing more. I have much hope for led.

Not tryin to troll the thread at all. but your smartass comment is noted btw. Excuse me for asking for a little more information on a 2000 dollar light!

as I said numerous times, op is doing a great test imo.
 
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PSUAGRO.

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joe macclennan said:
If you think that it works out this way exactly your nuts.
it takes roughly 6k btus of ac to cool 1k worth of uncooled hid.. not 3.4k btu due to the inefficiency of the bulb. Ideally led's would run cooler watt for watt since they are more efficient.


things don't always work out irl as they do on paper bud. That's why I was asking for more specific measurements...nothing more. I have much hope for led.

Not tryin to troll the thread at all. but your smartass comment is noted btw. Excuse me for asking for a little more information on a 2000 dollar light!

as I said numerous times, op is doing a great test imo.
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Calm down, I was just having a little fun.......................Yes their a generalizations when it comes watt=light/heat,that don't take everything into account when it comes to actual grow room conditions. We've gone over this too many times already, I think GG is sick of it as much as I am now.

Also I have nothing against an educated consumer asking questions!!!!!........christ.........everyone is getting so serious around here lately, aren't we all MJ users in here???:bigjoint:
 
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joe macclennan

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PSUAGRO. said:
Calm down, I was just having a little fun.......................Yes their a generalizations when it comes watt=light/heat,that don't take everything into account when it comes to actual grow room conditions. We've gone over this too many times already, I think GG is sick of it as much as I am now.

Also I have nothing against an educated consumer asking questions!!!!!........christ.........everyone is getting so serious around here lately, aren't we all MJ users in here???:bigjoint:
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you're a funny guy. you come @ me with a smartass under your breath insult, and you tell ME to calm down?

maybe you should think before you post, if you really don't want to clog up the thread with useless banter.

, i'm getting sick of being flamed for asking questions, and if some of the questions being asked have been answered before i'm so sorry...yes I am a stoner, perhaps i've forgotten, or just missed it. Some of you led users are a little too uptight imo. ALL i'm interested in is the grow comparison and some hard data...that's it.
 
Greengenes707

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Chronikool said:
Really looking good 'Genes. :) (both sides)

I guess you have had alot of experience running both types of lights....but it must be a head fuck tending to the needs of both at the same time. :)
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The hps have started to fade...they got grow instead of bloom last feeding and will get more tonight or tomorrow. The led side is starting too, but not as bad as the hps.

All of this is all ready solved and corrected for in the next run with super charging the soil/coco mix plus 10gal vs 5gal. And knowing that these girls will take all I can throw at them if need be. Teenage metabolisms
 
kmog33

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Greengenes707 said:
The hps have started to fade...they got grow instead of bloom last feeding and will get more tonight or tomorrow. The led side is starting too, but not as bad as the hps.

All of this is all ready solved and corrected for in the next run with super charging the soil/coco mix plus 10gal vs 5gal. And knowing that these girls will take all I can throw at them if need be. Teenage metabolisms
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Good to hear someone else does the grow during bloom thing when leaves fade. I actually just grabbed a micro with 5~0~0 to add to my bloom nutes though so hopefully can swap this for the veg supplement.

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kmog33 said:
Good to hear someone else does the grow during bloom thing when leaves fade. I actually just grabbed a micro with 5~0~0 to add to my bloom nutes though so hopefully can swap this for the veg supplement.

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Hell ya, I'm not scared. I am going to resort to maxsea(16-16-16) though...the shit just works. Not totally organic, but that isn't a concern really.
Next run will be full organic with great soil and plenty of it. This round I going to hit them with MOAB towards the end. Honestly dream eats like a fat bitch. But Since I basically only run it outdoors, 60-100gal was never an issue. All the process of dialing in.
 
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Greengenes707 said:
Hell ya, I'm not scared. I am going to resort to maxsea(16-16-16) though...the shit just works. Not totally organic, but that isn't a concern really.
Next run will be full organic with great soil and plenty of it. This round I going to hit them with MOAB towards the end. Honestly dream eats like a fat bitch. But Since I basically only run it outdoors, 60-100gal was never an issue. All the process of dialing in.
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yo i know u said ur not much of a ROLS guy, can u go more into detail why? or why it is u choose to buy a new batch every cycle? how do u dispose of your old soil? (If u dont mind me asking)


a good friend of mine in Humboldt has been doing rols for YEARS( hes about 50 yrs old), when i went to go visit him, i asked him if rols is popular in Humboldt and said not anymore, most new generation growers dont care much about sustainability for THEIR indoor garden, not to say they dont care about the sustainability, but i guess its different if its indoor? (more or less his words)

yes my friends herb is by far the best herb ive seen, smelled, touched and experienced. one of the reasons why i switched to ROLS, that plus intensive reading on how organic really works, plus years of hands on permaculture.

IMO Humboldt is ahead of most of the world ( in terms of herb) because of its environment. think about it, ideal temperature/season, counter culture/growers/knowledge, old growth forest with redwoods reaching 370+ feet. Ancient forest with RE USED sustainable SOIL.pure water in streams/rivers/lake. just to scratch the surface.

my bad homie, not trying to put down any ones style or anyone else. i actually have been keeping silent on ROLS bcuz i dont want people to figure out how to grow the best herb lol jk im a up front person when it comes down to sustainability.

in my mind, a soil that can be re used, and gets BETTER with age, would be a better option, especially in a place where the environment has been destroyed by logging and more so is being destroyed by indoor gardeners. we can look up ton of stories connected to indoor gardens F ing up the environment. (dumping chemical soil or synthetic runoff for example). once again not putting ur style down, its just hard for me to get my head around true organics, and how much it benefits the grower, and especially the environment.

would like to hear your input, and maybe give me a glimpse of your organic journey?
 
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Greengenes707

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foreverflyhi said:
yo i know u said ur not much of a ROLS guy, can u go more into detail why? or why it is u choose to buy a new batch every cycle? how do u dispose of your old soil? (If u dont mind me asking)


a good friend of mine in Humboldt has been doing rols for YEARS( hes about 50 yrs old), when i went to go visit him, i asked him if rols is popular in Humboldt and said not anymore, most new generation growers dont care much about sustainability for THEIR indoor garden, not to say they dont care about the sustainability, but i guess its different if its indoor? (more or less his words)

yes my friends herb is by far the best herb ive seen, smelled, touched and experienced. one of the reasons why i switched to ROLS, that plus intensive reading on how organic really works, plus years of hands on permaculture.

IMO Humboldt is ahead of most of the world ( in terms of herb) because of its environment. think about it, ideal temperature/season, counter culture/growers/knowledge, old growth forest with redwoods reaching 370+ feet. Ancient forest with RE USED sustainable SOIL.pure water in streams/rivers/lake. just to scratch the surface.

my bad homie, not trying to put down any ones style or anyone else. i actually have been keeping silent on ROLS bcuz i dont want people to figure out how to grow the best herb lol jk im a up front person when it comes down to sustainability.

in my mind, a soil that can be re used, and gets BETTER with age, would be a better option, especially in a place where the environment has been destroyed by logging and more so is being destroyed by indoor gardeners. we can look up ton of stories connected to indoor gardens F ing up the environment. (dumping chemical soil or synthetic runoff for example). once again not putting ur style down, its just hard for me to get my head around true organics, and how much it benefits the grower, and especially the environment.

would like to hear your input, and maybe give me a glimpse of your organic journey?
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I like this question a lot...but it is going to take me a college thesis worth of typing...so I am going to make a video and just talk/babble about my soil thoughts.
Will have it up later tonight.
 
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