Anyone listen to real music?
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What can be called mainstream music, that which appeals to the largest percentage of the masses at any one time, is normally something that is generational. My parents and many others of their generation went wild for music like The Andrews Sisters and their "Beat Me Daddy, Eight To the Bar" sound. They would get on the dance floor and really cut a rug when "The Boogie Woogie Bugle Boy" (of Company B) was played. They would sure sing along with Benny Goodman and his band when they played "Pennsylvania 6-5000" and the band and Benny would stop playing for a moment and sing/shout Pennsylvania 6-5000. That was hot stuff, that was the ticket back then.
I grew up loving Black Sabbath and Deep Purple and Led Zeppelin and others.
Few styles or sounds of music have endured for as long as rock and roll has. That is in part because many performers began very young and achieved fame rather young while most musicians of the past were a good bit older when fame hit them so they did not perform for as long and that did not keep their style or sound of music alive for as many people.
Back then you did not have bands made up of five 15 to 17-year old girls touring the world selling out large arenas like The Runaways did. Most of them went on to be nothing but one still can pack the seats and that is Joan Jett and she still does at least one Runaways song in most of her acts, that being "Cherry Bomb." So roughly 32-years after she became a Runaway Joan Jett is still playing her old work along with newer work and that introduced it to more generations than the older musicians ever did because of their ages when they first hit it big. That keeps the sound, the style alive.
Look at The Rolling Stones and for how many decades they have been performing. I always have to laugh when I watch the movie "Almost Famous" because in one scene a manager sent by the record company to handle the band the movie is mostly about, Stillwater, he tells them that they have to make all the cash then can now and says something like, if you think that Mick Jagger will still be out there trying to be a rock star at 50 you are sadly mistaken. That makes me laugh since Mick will turn 66 this year and he and the rest of the Stones are still packing them in when they play.
I have been to so many concerts like Black Sabbath and Jethro Tull and Lynyrd Skynyrd and Procol Harum and others where parents have taken their children and when leaving the concerts have heard the kids talk and heard them say how fantastic the band or bands were and how they loved it and wanted to by their CD’s. Sounds or styles like that have been passed down from one generation to another in a way that other music hasn’t been.
There are always offshoots of certain types of music like bluegrass being a more elaborate and stylistic form of country music. There are also phases where something is in vogue for a short or fairly short period of time like disco and punk and the second British invasion of the very late 70’s and early 80’s with bands like Bow Wow Wow and Adam and the Ants that when the Ants left and picked up Annabella Lwin and became Bow Wow Wow Adam and the Ants died and Stuart Leslie Goddard, Adam, became Adam Ant. There was Billy Idol and Bananarama and the one hit wonders Dexy’s Midnight Runners and there was The Clash and Nina and Spandau Ballet and many others. But where are most of them today? The same place K.C. and the Sunshine Band are and where all the punk rock bands are. Their style or sound was short lived. If any of them toured today they couldn’t pack arenas like B. B. King could and he’s been performing for over four decades now.
There will almost always be at least some small following for any style of music in any era but only the best of the best hangs on and survives the test of time and retains a large or at least respectable sized following.
The Beatles had sold over one billion records and tapes by 1985 from just their primary label, EMI, so that dos not count the later Apple Records sales and of course nothing since 1985. In just the last several years there have been roughly 120 million sales of Beatles CD’s in the U.S. alone. Name me one single rap or hip hop singer/group that will ever get close to half that number of sales and that decades after they have stopped performing their music will still be selling like The Beatles music does.
I do not mean that to say that rap and hip hop stink because music like foods and many others things all depends on an individuals taste. I just used the comparison to draw attention to how quality lives on and on and on and that is it likely that in some number of years rap and hip hop will be like disco and punk rock and the second British invasion and likely be more of a passed phase then an ongoing style of music that lives on and on and on.
Actually there is no "real music," there is only music and depending on its quality and how broad of an appeal it has will be what either keeps it alive or lets it die out over time.
I grew up loving Black Sabbath and Deep Purple and Led Zeppelin and others.
Few styles or sounds of music have endured for as long as rock and roll has. That is in part because many performers began very young and achieved fame rather young while most musicians of the past were a good bit older when fame hit them so they did not perform for as long and that did not keep their style or sound of music alive for as many people.
Back then you did not have bands made up of five 15 to 17-year old girls touring the world selling out large arenas like The Runaways did. Most of them went on to be nothing but one still can pack the seats and that is Joan Jett and she still does at least one Runaways song in most of her acts, that being "Cherry Bomb." So roughly 32-years after she became a Runaway Joan Jett is still playing her old work along with newer work and that introduced it to more generations than the older musicians ever did because of their ages when they first hit it big. That keeps the sound, the style alive.
Look at The Rolling Stones and for how many decades they have been performing. I always have to laugh when I watch the movie "Almost Famous" because in one scene a manager sent by the record company to handle the band the movie is mostly about, Stillwater, he tells them that they have to make all the cash then can now and says something like, if you think that Mick Jagger will still be out there trying to be a rock star at 50 you are sadly mistaken. That makes me laugh since Mick will turn 66 this year and he and the rest of the Stones are still packing them in when they play.
I have been to so many concerts like Black Sabbath and Jethro Tull and Lynyrd Skynyrd and Procol Harum and others where parents have taken their children and when leaving the concerts have heard the kids talk and heard them say how fantastic the band or bands were and how they loved it and wanted to by their CD’s. Sounds or styles like that have been passed down from one generation to another in a way that other music hasn’t been.
There are always offshoots of certain types of music like bluegrass being a more elaborate and stylistic form of country music. There are also phases where something is in vogue for a short or fairly short period of time like disco and punk and the second British invasion of the very late 70’s and early 80’s with bands like Bow Wow Wow and Adam and the Ants that when the Ants left and picked up Annabella Lwin and became Bow Wow Wow Adam and the Ants died and Stuart Leslie Goddard, Adam, became Adam Ant. There was Billy Idol and Bananarama and the one hit wonders Dexy’s Midnight Runners and there was The Clash and Nina and Spandau Ballet and many others. But where are most of them today? The same place K.C. and the Sunshine Band are and where all the punk rock bands are. Their style or sound was short lived. If any of them toured today they couldn’t pack arenas like B. B. King could and he’s been performing for over four decades now.
There will almost always be at least some small following for any style of music in any era but only the best of the best hangs on and survives the test of time and retains a large or at least respectable sized following.
The Beatles had sold over one billion records and tapes by 1985 from just their primary label, EMI, so that dos not count the later Apple Records sales and of course nothing since 1985. In just the last several years there have been roughly 120 million sales of Beatles CD’s in the U.S. alone. Name me one single rap or hip hop singer/group that will ever get close to half that number of sales and that decades after they have stopped performing their music will still be selling like The Beatles music does.
I do not mean that to say that rap and hip hop stink because music like foods and many others things all depends on an individuals taste. I just used the comparison to draw attention to how quality lives on and on and on and that is it likely that in some number of years rap and hip hop will be like disco and punk rock and the second British invasion and likely be more of a passed phase then an ongoing style of music that lives on and on and on.
Actually there is no "real music," there is only music and depending on its quality and how broad of an appeal it has will be what either keeps it alive or lets it die out over time.
hom36rown
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2 pac has sold hundred of millions of cds. IT would probably be in the billions if the still sold single like the beatless. Not to mention illegal downloading. He still makes ten of millions every year over 10 years after his death
SpruceZeus
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Real music nowadays eh?
Well right off the bat, gov't mule,
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=n4s4hW-oGZ0
the derek trucks band
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2pZp4oBECV4
and breakestra come to mind.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sePe0nhX5BE
Also check out five horse johnson, they have a bit of a clutch feeling to them.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qWFQRZCEr2E
and the new meanies!!!
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Az5fr5lSZXE
And a million other bands!
Well right off the bat, gov't mule,
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=n4s4hW-oGZ0
the derek trucks band
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2pZp4oBECV4
and breakestra come to mind.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sePe0nhX5BE
Also check out five horse johnson, they have a bit of a clutch feeling to them.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qWFQRZCEr2E
and the new meanies!!!
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Az5fr5lSZXE
And a million other bands!
Brick Top
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Like so many things when you research them online you can find very different information.
In an article from Hip Hop Press dated May 16th 2007 it says that 2Pacs record sales at that time had exceeded 67 million copies worldwide.
Now I know that information is close to being two years old but I tend to doubt that his sales have skyrocketed from something just over 67 million to hundreds of millions.
Maybe that has happened but I do tend to doubt it.
I read on a few sites where people, not people or sites that are in the industry or industry related, stated higher sales figures, one person claimed them to be as high as one billion copies sold, but myself I have to believe the figures coming from some industry related site or publication would most likely be more accurate.
Even if he has sold say 200 million instead of the just over 67 million copies the article says he sold by 2007 that is what, 20% of what The Beatles sold from just EMI sales by 1985 and that does not count Apple Record sales or any sales since 1985.
As for your point about singles being sold in the past you have to consider price as in cost in each era and also factor in things like CD clubs that exist today where you can get your first 10 cds for a PENNY and how many 2Pac sales may have been one or more of the CDs that only cost a PENNY.
The average cost of a 45RPM in the 60s was only 29 cents but adjusted for inflation that comes to $1.66 per 45. That is still cheap but again when you factor in how many sales fall under the one PENNY CD club sales each $1.66 would buy a whole lot of CDs.
Of course some Beatles sales would have fallen in to that one PENNY category too but using the total sales figures from any credible source The Beatles music in any form dwarfs that of 2Pacs. He has a damn long way to go to catch up and that will be difficult if not impossible unless sales of The Beatles music totally stops since they are still outselling him today.
To use a comparison of sales between the two in just the last several years The Beatles songs have sold over 120 million copies in the U.S. alone and according to the 2007 article from Hop Hop Press 2Pacs sales totaled just over 67 million. That means in this era of rap and hip hope The Beatles have sold roughly 1.79 copies per every single copy 2Pac has sold. Actually more since the 120 million Beatles sales was just in the last several years and the 2Pac sales were total sales as of May 2007 which of course means all sales he had while alive and all sales he had had since he died, total sales.
The Beatles were formed in 1960 but didnt really hit it big until their music was released in the U.S. in 1963 and they broke up in 1969 so they were together while big for 6-years. 2Pac first hit it big in 1992 and he died in 1996 so he was big for 4-years, 2-years shot of the period of time The Beatles were big. That is not a really large difference in length of time but the difference in total sales between the two is massive even if using total sales figures that are higher than what Hip Hop Press credited his sales as being as of 2007.
meanmrmustard
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I feel the same most days. But fear not, you are in good company.
meanmrmustard
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...and I'll second thathaha, never believe wiki answers
Gimix
Active Member
YES YES!! and Derek Trucks is the answer
KQ10
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for any rap lovers, a great CD to blaze to is Walk On Water - by J-Clash. hes a new up and comer on some AND1 mixtapes, freestyle tapes and has a few music videos you can youtube. Dude speaks about REAL LIFE issues, growin up on his own, trouble in streets but not wanting to follow the lives of his friends as jailbirds or hustlers, also addresses world issues like Bush, Obama, the War, Poverty, Police, so on and so forth. My description does not doe justice for the kids music. He brings Fire to the mic....check it out.
Herbal Overdoser
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Not to offend but...If you knew anything about hip hop, you'd know that it is extremely influenced by people who share "our lifestyle". In the words of Raekwon "Real reefer heads'll know the meanin of hittin glass"
So next time you decide to put off all rap/hip hop because you're sick of hearing lil wayne ramble about sugar candies(lollipop), think about how "real" rappers hold it down.
CrackerJax
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I thought Rap was an extension of Gillies?
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