anyone know how to make cannabis infused soda?

greenghost420

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looking for a decent recipe to make some cannabis sodas. i could make cannabis ice cream and throw some into some rootbeer for a cannabis float...any thoughts? thanks, now roll it up...
 

rippn13

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This was posted on another site:

The trick to cannasoda is simple. I've made several and have had success with each batch. The problem is it takes time and if you are willing to be patient, the reward far exceeds any alcohol-based soda.
Decarb your material and soak it in food grade glycerin for 60 days or more, rolling or shaking for 5 minutes every day. Lightly heat mixture (NEVER more than 170 deg F!!!), allow to cool, and strain. You can even add natural flavorings such as cinnamon or vanilla during the heating stage. More fragile natural flavors like lavender should be cold-infused during the 60 day period to preserve their integrity.
You now have a sugar substitute that works well for hard candies, sweets, ice cream, soda, etc.
Be creative and if you get the chance, you really should try a lavender soda!

I have enjoyed the mmj sodas and am gonna try this myself.
 

greenghost420

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thats more of a glycerin tinc recipe, no description of using the glycerin mixed with carbonated water. i was gonna do this with corn syrup and see how it works. i guess i should be asking for homemade soda syrup recipes. like black cherry, orange, grape, etc. thanks for taking the time to post. i should also look up substituting glycerin for sugar ratios too.
 

rippn13

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Sorry for the confusion. I was thinking this would be good for making a simple syrup. Then take the syrup and make cola. You can find how to make cola from google. Here's one example http://www.wikihow.com/Make-OpenCola. Most flavors in cola are derived from flavored oils made into a syrup. If you can get the thc oil into a syrup then you can make cola.

Another way is to take the tincture and add club soda to it. Just a thought. Never tried it. You could also infuse some flavors into it.
 

greenghost420

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yea i was thinking of getting some orange extract and adding to the glycerin/corn syrup or whatever.. i was also thinking just take some tinc and throw it in any already made soda.
 

Bilbo Baggins

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excellent recipes guys--taking notes here. I was under the impression that THC would most readily attach itself to the Lipids ( Fat ) in any substance, and thus had ruled out any such enterprises as brewing Marijuana wine for example, but the above suggestions about using glycerine etc as an ingredient makes so many other possibilities within reach, ty for info guys.
 

HolyHerb

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I ran a dispensary that carried kushtown medicated sodas. We had it tested and it tested at .01% thc. The problem according to them was it has an extremely short shelf life due to the carbonation. Apperntly glycerin doesn't do well with sodas. I would suggest a different type of infusion. Now weather they were just making a shoddy product or if this is fact I'm not sure. Just thought I'd share my exp with cannabis sodas.
 

HolyHerb

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It was. Believe me though there were people who got the placebo effect and would buy them by the cases. When we told them what happend they got a look on they're face like someone kicked they're puppy. We offered them a full discount for what they purchased. Lesson learned we tested all edibles after that.
 

greenghost420

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i guess you only have to add a drop of tinc to any soda and call it cannabis soda. lol i made some canna tootsie rolls last night, came out good! lil soft cause i fucked the recipe up. i forgot to knead it so im mixing like this needs more moisture and added too much shit(syrup). nice shit!
 

Zxvc2

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This is what i think get some cannabis liquid extract, and add it in to the "Soda stream" water and carbonate it and just add the syrup
 

greenghost420

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shake well! contents may settle and float when settling. lol first sip is all tinc...sounds good till a better method comes along lol
 

VladFromOG

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The big problem with trying to make a soda is getting a wax to dissolve in water without a ton of alcohol or bromination. The dispensaries havent really figured it out yet, they try to use glycerin but this is a poor solvent and using too much makes a sudsy soda, so everything Ive seen offered is pretty weak and low potency.

So Im going to let you in on a secret, on how to make high potency water tinctures, in this case soda pop. First, make some hash oil. We wont go into the how here, but it needs to be BHO, CO2, or steam distilled. Now, let us say we want to make one soda: Take one oral dose of your oil (differs for everyone, but I find 30-50mg to be great, but 100-200 mg is more painkilling), and dissolve it in an equal measure of d-limonene. limonene is a great solvent, and a 50/50 mix of hard wax oil and limonene is free flowing and thin, and is a small enough amount to ingest. limonene is GRAS, a natural component of marijuana and oranges, and tastes like oranges, so dont have any reservations about drinking it, its great. Now, take your orange smelling tablespoon or so of oil/limonene mix, throw it in a glass, add an equal amount of ethanol ( ~1tbsp - makes it no more alcoholic than sprite is, all citrus flavored sodas have ethanol in them to make the orange flavor oils dissolve in water) shot of simple syrup (sugar water), then fill with chilled club soda. You now have a glass of clear, dyeless and preservative free, 100% natural, medicated orange soda.

This process can be scaled up of course, and you can use up to 5 grams of wax in a glass before you have to use enough limonene that it tastes bad to dissolve it. Limonene is widely available online, check Ama and Ebs, but be sure to get food grade. Shouldnt cost more than $10/quart, even in non bulk amounts.

Dont like orange soda? you can make unflavored extract by complexing the wax in cyclodextrins - get some beta-hydroxylpropylcyclodextrin. Sounds complicated, but is a cheap sugar, about $5 a gram in small amounts. While your oil is still being extracted, after 90% of the solvent (butane or co2) has evaped off, add twice the volume in the evaporate dish of cyclodextrin, then cure/purge as you normally would,just do it for twice as long as normal. The cyclodextrin has a lipophillic interior and hydrophillic interior, and will encapsulate the oil and render it dissolveable in water. This has the added effect of making your oil more bioavailable and more ready to cross the BBB. Mix twice the amount of this treated oil as you would with untreated into your glass of club soda/ sugar/ flavor (if you choose to add flavor)

The latter technique is too complicated for most, but the limonene is easy and quick and I highly recommend it (makes a tasty orange soda too). If you want a potent soda, theres no better way to go.
 

Figong

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The big problem with trying to make a soda is getting a lipid to dissolve in water without alcohol or bromination. The dispensaries havent really figured it out yet, they try to use glycerin but this is a poor solvent and using too much makes a sudsy soda, so everything Ive seen offered is pretty weak and low potency.

So Im going to let you in on a secret, on how to make high potency water tinctures, in this case soda pop. First, make some hash oil. We wont go into the how here, but it needs to be BHO, CO2, or steam distilled. Now, let us say we want to make one soda: Take one oral dose of your oil (differs for everyone, but I find 30-50mg to be great, but 100-200 mg is more painkilling), and dissolve it in an equal measure of d-limonene. limonene is a great solvent, and a 50/50 mix of hard wax oil and limonene is free flowing and thin, and is a small enough amount to ingest. limonene is GRAS, a natural component of marijuana and oranges, and tastes like oranges, so dont have any reservations about drinking it, its great. Now, take your orange smelling tablespoon or so of oil/limonene mix, throw it in a glass, add a shot of simple syrup (sugar water), then fill with chilled club soda. You now have a glass of clear, dyeless and preservative free, 100% natural, medicated orange soda.

This process can be scaled up of course, and you can use up to 5 grams of wax in a glass before you have to use enough limonene that it tastes bad to dissolve it. Limonene is widely available online, check Ama and Ebs, but be sure to get food grade. Shouldnt cost more than $10/quart, even in non bulk amounts.

Dont like orange soda? you can make unflavored extract by complexing the wax in cyclodextrins - get some beta-hydroxylpropylcyclodextrin. Sounds complicated, but is a cheap sugar, about $5 a gram in small amounts. While your oil is still being extracted, after 90% of the solvent (butane or co2) has evaped off, add twice the volume in the evaporate dish of cyclodextrin, then cure/purge as you normally would,just do it for twice as long as normal. The cyclodextrin has a lipophillic interior and hydrophillic interior, and will encapsulate the oil and render it dissolveable in water. This has the added effect of making your oil more bioavailable and more ready to cross the BBB. Mix twice the amount of this treated oil as you would with untreated into your glass of club soda/ sugar/ flavor (if you choose to add flavor)

The latter technique is too complicated for most, but the limonene is easy and quick and I highly recommend it (makes a tasty orange soda too). If you want a potent soda, theres no better way to go.
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Awesome use of science to further the drink field in terms of cannabis - am quite impressed, +rep and it definitely fits the model for use of cyclodextrins, especially with kneading and 2 3sub factorial design constraints, depending on what else is being done / could be done.. which gives me a few other ideas for this. May have to play with it in the near future as time allows, and if/as I get time - will definitely contribute my findings to the thread.
 

VladFromOG

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Oh my yes cyclodextrins are fun, not just in terms of making lipids water soluable, but in increasing bioavailabilty. For a reall kicker, isolate out the THC in your concreate, isomerize to THC-Acetate, then complex and inssufflate/IM (never IV complexed THC, burns like hell. THC must be esterfied for IV, as the CIA learned in the eighties lol). THC-Acetate is several times more potent that THC, and when its 100% more bioavailable bc its complexed, you can imagine... just have some CBD or other antipsychotic on hand, both pure THC and THC-Acetate will induce the weirdest jungle type hallucinations and the body load is really hot and uncomfortable.

Complexing things with cyclodextrins is more of an art than a science, though - the exact ratios of complexing varies from molecule to molecule, and hash oil is comprised of many different compounds, so I cant really give anything more exact than "add twice the volume and purge twice as long", so theres always some extra cyclodextrin that isnt complexed in the solution. Luckily thats not a problem as its mildly sweet and goes well with soda. Just be sure to purge/cure your complexed concentrate for a really long time - some of the butane/co2 will be complexed as well and takes longer than normal to evap off due to encapsulation.

Thanks for the rep, it was my first ^.^
 

Figong

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Oh my yes cyclodextrins are fun, not just in terms of making lipids water soluable, but in increasing bioavailabilty. For a reall kicker, isolate out the THC in your concreate, isomerize to THC-Acetate, then complex and inssufflate/IM (never IV complexed THC, burns like hell. THC must be esterfied for IV, as the CIA learned in the eighties lol). THC-Acetate is several times more potent that THC, and when its 100% more bioavailable bc its complexed, you can imagine... just have some CBD or other antipsychotic on hand, both pure THC and THC-Acetate will induce the weirdest jungle type hallucinations and the body load is really hot and uncomfortable.

Complexing things with cyclodextrins is more of an art than a science, though - the exact ratios of complexing varies from molecule to molecule, and hash oil is comprised of many different compounds, so I cant really give anything more exact than "add twice the volume and purge twice as long", so theres always some extra cyclodextrin that isnt complexed in the solution. Luckily thats not a problem as its mildly sweet and goes well with soda. Just be sure to purge/cure your complexed concentrate for a really long time - some of the butane/co2 will be complexed as well and takes longer than normal to evap off due to encapsulation.

Thanks for the rep, it was my first ^.^
Quite welcome, I see you have a heavy chemistry background and will fit in perfectly on RIU. Welcome to the boards! :D
 

greenghost420

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i must graciously THANK YOU for this enlightening recipe. not easy sharing secrets but it sure is fun! i will make that orange soda as soon as i get some limonene. also thanks for putting up 2 recipes in one post! i must spread rep around before repping you again lol i just make some tootsies and caramels that came out good. :D but no cannabis chaser til now. have you made this recipe for yourself? it also sounds like that 2nd recipe can be added to other recipes with no fat/alcohol. new shit *cannabinoid water* the real vitamin water!
 

Figong

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i must graciously THANK YOU for this enlightening recipe. not easy sharing secrets but it sure is fun! i will make that orange soda as soon as i get some limonene. also thanks for putting up 2 recipes in one post! i must spread rep around before repping you again lol i just make some tootsies and caramels that came out good. :D but no cannabis chaser til now. have you made this recipe for yourself? it also sounds like that 2nd recipe can be added to other recipes with no fat/alcohol. new shit *cannabinoid water* the real vitamin water!
Agreed on this, he's in definite need of more rep - this is something brand new to the boards, and as of now.. is not posted on any other that I can see, in any semi-close/sane fashion as well. RIU on the bleeding edge as usual! :D
 

greenghost420

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ok first question: d-limonene comes in 95% and 98.5%, what do you recommend or does it make no difference? 95% is food grade and 98 is referred to as high purity. which would make a better infusion? thanks again!

also, do i need ethanol or would everclear be sufficient?
 
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