youngbuzz101
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DEFINITELY a lack of oxygen! No doubt.. Either you don't have enough aeration to your roots or your roots are not able to absorb the oxygen either or, hows your roots look?
Happy roots = happy plant
Any guess to whats going on here?
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Happy roots = happy plant
youngbuzz101
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Take a video of your resivour I want to see your bubblage 
and upload the video.
and upload the video.
playermic
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That's why its important to dial down that ppm, because in hydro when it starts f*n up., by that time its too late - Just my 2 cents empty that reservoir out, replace with fresh water add nutes to 500. regulate ph to 5.5. that should help
youngbuzz101
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I agree, he has lowered it to 500. Although that maybe a future issue that's not what is causing the droop. His plants look over watered the res. he is using looks like a big ass tote. He is most likely not adding enough D.O evenly through out the solution. It also looks like his tote may not be light proof which will cause serious problems. Root rot, brown algae, and all kinds of unwanted parasite and diseasey cunts.
youngbuzz101
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I bet 100 dollars it is over watering I was staring at the pictures and the those drooping wrinkled leaves is a dead ringer. Fix that and the plant will perk up. Don't and the leaves will start yellowing almost identically like mag. def and everyone will be mistaken and telling you to fix your nutrients which in return will burn your plants because they are not hungry. This is because to protect themselves from to much water and drowning they stop drinking and with that they stop eating which causes deficiency symptoms but they do not need more nutrients they need air.
playermic
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Well overwatering is probably not the issue the roots can be totally submerged 24/7 in water and be white and healthy,, as long as theres a medium there where the roots can breathe.from my experience plants drooping is the beginning stage of over nute. they start drooping then eventually turn yellow and die
RetiredMatthebrute
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holy crap!! went AFK for a couple hours and this place blew up.
I do plan on fixing the aeration situation first and foremost as i can say that they prob do not have enough air bubble and the rez is so big. Im going to be putting the plant in a 5 gal bucket. that should fix any issues i have with that.
as far as light leaks and root rot im running dutch master zone so none of that should be a problem as that shit is supposed to fkin kill any type shit in the water (except the roots). roots are healthy white, there are some bugs i found in them but they dont seem to be bothering anything and they werent moving much so i think they are dead anyways,
imma get working on transfering everything and ill get back with some pics...thanks everyone for the comments
I do plan on fixing the aeration situation first and foremost as i can say that they prob do not have enough air bubble and the rez is so big. Im going to be putting the plant in a 5 gal bucket. that should fix any issues i have with that.
as far as light leaks and root rot im running dutch master zone so none of that should be a problem as that shit is supposed to fkin kill any type shit in the water (except the roots). roots are healthy white, there are some bugs i found in them but they dont seem to be bothering anything and they werent moving much so i think they are dead anyways,
imma get working on transfering everything and ill get back with some pics...thanks everyone for the comments
RetiredMatthebrute
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its a straight DWC unit there is no pump. well air pump but that needs to run 24/7 i was debating hooking up a small submersable pump to pump the water back into itself creating more aeration but i think for as little as this one will be a 5 gal bucket will be most ideal.
jondamon
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How big are your plants when you finish flowering?
Mine very rarely exceed 2ft tall.
I've really started liking mainline training.
If you haven't seen it look for NUGBUCKETS thread about it here on RIU.
Great uniformity and once you dial in how much growth to snip off to leave you your tops then its golden.
Here's how my plants looked a couple of days ago.
I will be switching to flower on Tuesday ish.
I've got 5 clones rooted in the propogator too.
These plants will not exceed 2ft tall.
If any of them try I will either LST or trim off more bottom growth during stretch to allow the upper plant the light penetration.
J
RetiredMatthebrute
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J...my issue with the RDWC was not enough air...not enough flow it was a DIY system that just didnt work, in theory it did but gravity and a small pump feeding 8 buckets was just too much to feed and too little water flow...resulting in root rot and other issues, i tried everything and re made the sytem 3 times and still no luck to o gave up.
the last plant just kept stretching and stretching anf stretching all the way through to the end of flower, i tied and bent and even broke some of the limbs (super cropping) and they just kept stretching..so i eventually just harvested the main colas..it was a super yeild for one plant i think i pulled about 8 zips off it in the end but a pain in the ass...
the tops started burning and then foxtailing to "repair" the damaged area...not what i wanted at week 6-7 of flower so i cut em early and let the rest finish up..
the blueberry gum i did in DWC last sucessfull DWC grow i had did great with no issues, i had to do the ice bottles every day but still worked out well.
i think Youngbuzz101 is dead on with the overwater/not enough O2 thing, i mean that pump is small for a 30g rez..
anyways im going to order them nutes you suggested and prob use them on next grow..i dont want to keep changing shit as im just stressing her out right now as it is. i wont be doing a large rez again unless i get a good air pump.
heres some pics of the new modifications.
the last plant just kept stretching and stretching anf stretching all the way through to the end of flower, i tied and bent and even broke some of the limbs (super cropping) and they just kept stretching..so i eventually just harvested the main colas..it was a super yeild for one plant i think i pulled about 8 zips off it in the end but a pain in the ass...
the tops started burning and then foxtailing to "repair" the damaged area...not what i wanted at week 6-7 of flower so i cut em early and let the rest finish up..
the blueberry gum i did in DWC last sucessfull DWC grow i had did great with no issues, i had to do the ice bottles every day but still worked out well.
i think Youngbuzz101 is dead on with the overwater/not enough O2 thing, i mean that pump is small for a 30g rez..
anyways im going to order them nutes you suggested and prob use them on next grow..i dont want to keep changing shit as im just stressing her out right now as it is. i wont be doing a large rez again unless i get a good air pump.
heres some pics of the new modifications.
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youngbuzz101
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That doesn't mean anything... There is a difference between leaving your plants without an air stone for 24 hrs verses a continual low supply of oxygen.. long term damage is the worst kind. (By the way I highly don't recommend you do that) Don't post shit like that so naive beginners ruin they're shit. I have done enough dwc to know low oxygen will fuck yo shit up! period.
Although I am not disputing the over nute droop but I don't think that's a cause usually if you haven't burned by now yah ain't unless you keep feeding.. pretty sure this guys been watching his ppm fluctuations via a meter and his plant were eating meaning they can handle the nutes or else they would have only been drinking.
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youngbuzz101
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Yeah DWC is funny like that it' more difficult than most think. If it goes well it goes awesome! If one thing goes wrong... it goes to hell in a hand basket. I have had the same experiences I have had some nice harvests with fat dense colas and I have had failures low oxygen has caused all but one ph swings was the other.
Unless your experienced with cannabis cultivation soil is your best friend I always liked soil starting off because things progress slower and gives you time to learn your botany. Hydroponics is so immediate and aggressive you have to be confident in each move. Or at least have experience enough to see a problem and fix it fast.
The whole system is like a paneled barrel each part of your set up being an individual panel. All the rest of your set up (panels) can be flawless but your one problem is your biggest weakness. Water in your barrel will only fill as high as your lowest panel.
I am happy to see your roots are still healthy I assume you had your solution temp proper good job! That can be a job on it's own unless your lucky enough to have a chiller. So you moved to a 5 gal? You really don't need more just let your root fill that bucket. You should be fine now with that dual pump in the 5 gal. When I do DWC I use the 5 gallon pail and two dual air pumps, I run all four lines into my one bucket. God know that makes a difference. You can never have to much oxygen in fact do some research and do a side by side comparison of a plant with normal amounts of oxygen versus a plant which oxygen supply has been super saturated.. your eyes will open.
Any ways I'm going to stay posted to see how things work out.
If I can recommend one last thing go to petsmart or and aquarium store and by airstones.. Not just any air stones as I see you already have but, fine mist stones They come in course's Fine, medium, and Course (large). Those are not the size of the stones but the size of the bubbles released.
The reason the fine mist stones are better is because a lot more tiny tiny bubbles are released from each stone at the same time this means that as the bubbles rise to the top of your container they are able to spread out through out the container but still remain close together. This increase in surface area, allows a larger diffusion of oxygen into your solution before the pressure of the water forces the oxygen bubble out of the top of the viscous. Also; the smaller bubbles will rise slower in comparison to the larger bubbles which will allow for more direct oxygen for your roots and longer time for oxygen to absorbed into the solution.
Sorry for the long post.
youngbuzz
RetiredMatthebrute
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Ty for your time and information. its nice to have a couple of people here to help me along. I am by far a pro. i have had many good harvests using soil. Decided to try DWC 1 bucket and wit worked great...got eager and setup a 8 site RDWC system which did not work good,
I am tired of buying soil...I will never go back to RDWC but i will run multimple single site DWC buckets in the future. I do realize its a learning curve but I feel i have the experience to make it work.
I will continue to keep people posted on PPM drops and such. as well as photos. My journal for the grow is in my sig if anyone is interested in stopping by there you will be welcomed with open arms.
RetiredMatthebrute
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PPM 497 PH 6.2
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RetiredMatthebrute
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I have no PH down..i have lemon juice? thoughts? wont take much to bring down. I am also prepared to do nothing as well lol
jondamon
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6.2 is still acceptable IMHO
Don't stress.
Lemon juice works short term but breaks down quickly. I think the plants actually uptake the citric acid leaving your pH back where it was.
However though your ppm has now fallen to 497ppm from 650ppm.
IMO time to top up and make ppm 650 again if that's where you set it before.
This alone should correct your pH back down a bit.
J
Don't stress.
Lemon juice works short term but breaks down quickly. I think the plants actually uptake the citric acid leaving your pH back where it was.
However though your ppm has now fallen to 497ppm from 650ppm.
IMO time to top up and make ppm 650 again if that's where you set it before.
This alone should correct your pH back down a bit.
J
RetiredMatthebrute
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sounds like a plan will work on that.
had a prob with roots getting all brown..so I added some more dutch master zone a couple days ago, seems to have cleared up now.
had a prob with roots getting all brown..so I added some more dutch master zone a couple days ago, seems to have cleared up now.
zander19
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HEY MAN SORRY I NEED YOU HELP. i just noticed these on three of my girls can you tell me what it is?
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RetiredMatthebrute
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yeah looks like you have yourself a hermie man. can pinch em off and hope it does not get worse or you can get rid of it.. seems to be pretty bad for the stage its in so I would imagine it will just continue throwing them out and you will end up with lots of un viable seeds.