Amino Acids

Filthy Phil

Well-Known Member
Ok, so as with all things on this site I run the potential of shaking the nay-sayers out of the bushes by making a statement, but fuck it. So I started using a bloom booster by x nutrients called bloom fx, I liked it. Because of that I decided to try out their "amino blast". I have been giving it to my super lemon haze for almost four weeks now. I give it to them every watering, 5 ml per gallon top feed drain to waste, not recirculating. I have noticed a dramaticly noticable improvement in the bud site developement and overall plant performance. There are a lot of products which use amino acids in their mix, like bud candy for example, but they are usually pricey and have nutritional aditives that can offset your intended feeding regimen. This "amino blast" cost me like 12 bucks from a pricey hydro shop and contains no nutrition in the npk sense, only L-type ino acids. So, if anyone is looking for a little somethin somethin to throw into their regimen, give it a try. First four weeks of bloom. Happy growin y'all
 

mellokitty

Moderatrix of Journals
i've been reading up on the benefits of aminos recently and have added some to the tea i'm brewing right now.
i've never heard of "amino blast", but you can also use bragg's liquid amino, which you can find in most grocers and health food stores.

anyhoo, good info +1 ;)
 

Filthy Phil

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i've been reading up on the benefits of aminos recently and have added some to the tea i'm brewing right now.
i've never heard of "amino blast", but you can also use bragg's liquid amino, which you can find in most grocers and health food stores.

anyhoo, good info +1 ;)
Its funny you said that because I was contemplating braggs liquid aminos as a possibility but thought the sodium level might be too high. I was also wondering if using their apple cider vinegar as a ph down might carry an interesting effect...
 

mellokitty

Moderatrix of Journals
Its funny you said that because I was contemplating braggs liquid aminos as a possibility but thought the sodium level might be too high. I was also wondering if using their apple cider vinegar as a ph down might carry an interesting effect...
look up member Joedank.... he's the one that's been edumacating me about the aminos (and he's generally very helpful).
i know a few organic growers that use apple cider vinegar as ph down...... it apparently works great but can attract things like gnats if you're not careful....
 

drunknb

Member
WORD... I actually was googling a feeding schedule for Amino Blast just now and found this...

I'm picking up some Amino Blast on Saturday, with my XNutrients sample pack. I'm currently using Fox Farm Hydro nutes and heard about XNutes - how they're comparable, if not better - and less expensive. I've heard nothing but good about XNutes as well. I'm just about to flip to flower, being that it won't throw off my NPK balance, perhaps I'll just toss it in with the FF nutes and see what happens!
 

Filthy Phil

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I have since earlier bumped it up to 7 1/2 ml per gallon as my plants generally only take 2 waterings per week on average for the first 4 weeks. But yeah, amino blast...i really like it. I have noticed a serious difference in bud developement and smell, Im sold on this stuff. Im about to harvest my first crop using it, I have a strong feeling there is going to be a significant increase in yield, and the quality is looking badass...even more than normal:-)
 

ievolution

Well-Known Member
I have been searching for the right Amino Acid nutrients. I'd prefer not to use 7.5 ml per gal though that is quite a bit for an additive. I have used about the most expensive product in the market by House and Garden called Amino Treatment and saw pretty impressive results. That is why I have been searching for a replacement since it has Amino Acids, Silica, and Beneficials in it. Quite a few products have Amino Acids in it and people aren't even aware of it though. Products derived from Sea Kelp or Algae(Most nutrient companies have at least 1 bottle using these) contain levels of Amino Acids.
 

drunknb

Member
i've never heard of "amino blast", but you can also use bragg's liquid amino
Nice... I've been doing a little bit of research on this and it seems that the Braggs is less expensive than Amino Blast as well...not surprising, however, I'm also guessing that AB would be more geared towards plants...perhaps not... I haven't done a lable comparison - but I'm about to!

Being that you can use the Braggs, would you know what the dosage would be, per gallon of water...by chance?

I'm running a top-feeder bubbleponics system, recyclable reservoir, etc., but I'm guessing the dosages would be similar to soil.

Thanks in advance,
db
 

mellokitty

Moderatrix of Journals
Nice... I've been doing a little bit of research on this and it seems that the Braggs is less expensive than Amino Blast as well...not surprising, however, I'm also guessing that AB would be more geared towards plants...perhaps not... I haven't done a lable comparison - but I'm about to!

Being that you can use the Braggs, would you know what the dosage would be, per gallon of water...by chance?

I'm running a top-feeder bubbleponics system, recyclable reservoir, etc., but I'm guessing the dosages would be similar to soil.

Thanks in advance,
db
unfortunately i don't.... i've been adding it to my compost tea, which is a bit different from putting it directly into the feed res.
there was a brief discussion about it on my journal a while back.... i'll try and dig it up and see if any specific numbers got thrown around.
 

unohu69

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Hmmn, maybe Ill give braggs a spin.

So far my only complaint about X-nutes is the amount you need to add. Week 3 veggy is calling for 35ml of stuff (grow & micro). With Dynagro i use 3-5 ml of stuff (2.5 - 3 grow & 1.5 - 2 protekt).
 

drunknb

Member
So far my only complaint about X-nutes is the amount you need to add.
I'm running FF hydro nutes - although I heard you have to use less nutes with XNutes, in comparison...is this not the case?

Word Kitty...that'd be awesome! I've seen some of your stuff, and I'm very impressed, so thanks again!
 

mellokitty

Moderatrix of Journals
Hmmn, maybe Ill give braggs a spin.

So far my only complaint about X-nutes is the amount you need to add. Week 3 veggy is calling for 35ml of stuff (grow & micro). With Dynagro i use 3-5 ml of stuff (2.5 - 3 grow & 1.5 - 2 protekt).
aha, the ol' "makin' 'em pay for water" game..... ;)
i use grotek myself (also 3-5 mls/gal), and it's really hard to revisit those 30 - 60 ml /gal liquids that cost *more by the gallon, isn't it?
 

unohu69

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yes, in a 5g DWC bucket i have to toss in roughly 170ml+ of nutes using xnutes, where as DG im gonna be around 15-20ml of nutes. huge difference.

now on to braggs, I just scored a bottle of it today, and Im looking for recommended dosage. serving size is 2.5ml, i was gonna maybe figure in a 1ml test dose, then step up by .5 - 1 ml at a time and look for side effects. any thoughts ?
 

Lord Kanti

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yes, in a 5g DWC bucket i have to toss in roughly 170ml+ of nutes using xnutes, where as DG im gonna be around 15-20ml of nutes. huge difference.

now on to braggs, I just scored a bottle of it today, and Im looking for recommended dosage. serving size is 2.5ml, i was gonna maybe figure in a 1ml test dose, then step up by .5 - 1 ml at a time and look for side effects. any thoughts ?

Whatever happened to these trials! ?
 

budman111

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"amino blast". I have noticed a dramaticly noticable improvement in the bud site developement and overall plant performance.
plants produce more Amino Acids than they will ever need, it is completely unneeded in bottle form, just curious but the noticeable improvement is in conjunction with what else to compare>?
 

OG Gardenz

Active Member
Here is what I know about L-Amino Acids, thanks to Harley Smith. We can all learn from this guy if we take the time... Soluble Amino Acid all the way!

Increase Nutrient Uptake with Amino Acids

L-Amino Acids Dramatic Effect on Plant Growth
The addition of amino acids to hydroponic nutrient solution often has a dramatic affect on plant growth. Again, the secrets of amino acids lie in nature. As beneficial microorganisms grow and multiply in a healthy, organic soil, they produce enzymes that break down organic matter. This process is called “enzymatic hydrolysis”. Amino acids produced by enzymatic hydrolysis have a “left-handed” orientation and are called “l-amino acids”. L-amino acids produced by microorganisms are easily absorbed by plant cells, but synthetic amino acids produced by acid or alkaline hydrolysis have a “right-handed” orientation and are not biologically active. By adding l-amino acids derived from enzymatic hydrolysis directly to the reservoir, hydroponically-grown plants will respond in the same way as plants grown in the best organic soils.

Chelate Calcium and Accelerate Growth
Amino acids have a dramatic affect on calcium uptake by the roots; especially amino acid blends rich in the primary chelators- glutamic acid and glycine. In nature, as in hydroponics, calcium tends to react with phosphates and sulfates, precipitating out of solution as “lime scale”. Lime scale makes calcium unavailable to the plant. Over time, lime scale can also form calcium deposits that clog up pumps and irrigation lines, a constant concern of hydroponic growers. Amino acid chelators, on the other hand, attach to calcium ions like a claw, preventing them from reacting with other minerals to form lime scale. At the same time, glutamic acid and glycine stimulate root cells to open up calcium ion channels, allowing plants to take up calcium ions thousands to millions of time faster than simple osmosis!

Calcium is an immobile element. In other words, once it is deposited in plant cells it cannot be moved to other parts of the plant. Therefore, a constant supply of calcium must be available to the roots of vigorously growing plants. Calcium is very important for building strong cell walls. When an abundant supply of calcium is available, cell division and cell wall expansion are accelerated.

Protect Plants from Disease, Pests and Stress
Amino acids also help protect the plants from temperature stress. Plants with weakened cell walls are more susceptible to extremes of heat and cold. For example, during frost conditions the water between the cell walls crystallizes, puncturing the cell membranes and wilting the plant. But when the plant has extra calcium pectate between the cell walls instead of water, injury to the plant is minimized. For example, it is not uncommon for lettuce plants treated with amino acids to survive two or three hard frosts! Although most hydroponic vegetables are grown in a controlled environment, future research with amino acid supplements may suggest ways of growing plants at lower temperatures, without sacrificing quality or yield. As energy costs continue to escalate, the ability to condition plants against temperature extremes may have important economic benefits to growers.

Increase Brix and Profit
The increased availability of calcium provided by amino acids has secondary benefits, as well. A plant with a strong vascular system takes up water and nutrients more efficiently, increasing the brix of the plant. Brix is a measurement of the percentage of sugar content in the sap and is a general indicator of the health and vigor of the plant. Brix is measured with a refractometer, not with an EC meter. Organic molecules do not conduct electricity, but the total dissolved solids in water bend, or refract, light. Using a brix refractometer is easy. A few drops of sap are squeezed onto the glass slide of the refractometer, and the instrument is pointed toward a light source. The higher the dissolved solids in the sap, the more it refracts light and the higher the brix reading. It has been reported that if the brix of the sap exceeds 12%, sucking insects won’t even recognize the plant as food! Furthermore, for every 1% increase in brix, the freezing temperature is lowered by half a degree. Brix is also used as an objective measurement of the quality of fruit and vegetables. Premium quality produce has the highest brix levels. Therefore, plants grown with amino acid supplements are generally richer in sugars and other nutritional elements, allowing them to be sold at premium prices.

Copyright 2013
Harley Smith
 

since1991

Well-Known Member
Here is what I know about L-Amino Acids, thanks to Harley Smith. We can all learn from this guy if we take the time... Soluble Amino Acid all the way!

Increase Nutrient Uptake with Amino Acids

L-Amino Acids Dramatic Effect on Plant Growth
The addition of amino acids to hydroponic nutrient solution often has a dramatic affect on plant growth. Again, the secrets of amino acids lie in nature. As beneficial microorganisms grow and multiply in a healthy, organic soil, they produce enzymes that break down organic matter. This process is called “enzymatic hydrolysis”. Amino acids produced by enzymatic hydrolysis have a “left-handed” orientation and are called “l-amino acids”. L-amino acids produced by microorganisms are easily absorbed by plant cells, but synthetic amino acids produced by acid or alkaline hydrolysis have a “right-handed” orientation and are not biologically active. By adding l-amino acids derived from enzymatic hydrolysis directly to the reservoir, hydroponically-grown plants will respond in the same way as plants grown in the best organic soils.

Chelate Calcium and Accelerate Growth
Amino acids have a dramatic affect on calcium uptake by the roots; especially amino acid blends rich in the primary chelators- glutamic acid and glycine. In nature, as in hydroponics, calcium tends to react with phosphates and sulfates, precipitating out of solution as “lime scale”. Lime scale makes calcium unavailable to the plant. Over time, lime scale can also form calcium deposits that clog up pumps and irrigation lines, a constant concern of hydroponic growers. Amino acid chelators, on the other hand, attach to calcium ions like a claw, preventing them from reacting with other minerals to form lime scale. At the same time, glutamic acid and glycine stimulate root cells to open up calcium ion channels, allowing plants to take up calcium ions thousands to millions of time faster than simple osmosis!

Calcium is an immobile element. In other words, once it is deposited in plant cells it cannot be moved to other parts of the plant. Therefore, a constant supply of calcium must be available to the roots of vigorously growing plants. Calcium is very important for building strong cell walls. When an abundant supply of calcium is available, cell division and cell wall expansion are accelerated.

Protect Plants from Disease, Pests and Stress
Amino acids also help protect the plants from temperature stress. Plants with weakened cell walls are more susceptible to extremes of heat and cold. For example, during frost conditions the water between the cell walls crystallizes, puncturing the cell membranes and wilting the plant. But when the plant has extra calcium pectate between the cell walls instead of water, injury to the plant is minimized. For example, it is not uncommon for lettuce plants treated with amino acids to survive two or three hard frosts! Although most hydroponic vegetables are grown in a controlled environment, future research with amino acid supplements may suggest ways of growing plants at lower temperatures, without sacrificing quality or yield. As energy costs continue to escalate, the ability to condition plants against temperature extremes may have important economic benefits to growers.

Increase Brix and Profit
The increased availability of calcium provided by amino acids has secondary benefits, as well. A plant with a strong vascular system takes up water and nutrients more efficiently, increasing the brix of the plant. Brix is a measurement of the percentage of sugar content in the sap and is a general indicator of the health and vigor of the plant. Brix is measured with a refractometer, not with an EC meter. Organic molecules do not conduct electricity, but the total dissolved solids in water bend, or refract, light. Using a brix refractometer is easy. A few drops of sap are squeezed onto the glass slide of the refractometer, and the instrument is pointed toward a light source. The higher the dissolved solids in the sap, the more it refracts light and the higher the brix reading. It has been reported that if the brix of the sap exceeds 12%, sucking insects won’t even recognize the plant as food! Furthermore, for every 1% increase in brix, the freezing temperature is lowered by half a degree. Brix is also used as an objective measurement of the quality of fruit and vegetables. Premium quality produce has the highest brix levels. Therefore, plants grown with amino acid supplements are generally richer in sugars and other nutritional elements, allowing them to be sold at premium prices.

Copyright 2013
Harley Smith
Ive been following Harley Smith c
for a long time. This info should be a sticky.
 

since1991

Well-Known Member
With left turning glycine aminos and humic and fulvic acids.....your base nute iron magnesium amd calcium should be plenty for coco coir grows. Cal mag should not be needed or used way less.
 
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