!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!all wa patients read this!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

I urge everyone to take a moment and look at this bill closely. With the proposed changes in the medical marijuana regulations going before the legislature "see this link http://cdc.coop/2011_legislation " and WA House Bill 1017 also on the table the two bills combined would be a disaster if they are passed as written.

I am not a lawyer but fallow me for a sec and lets connect the dots

Here is an excerpt from the proposed mmj changes

Section 501
(6) The fact that a qualifying patient has been authorized to engage in the medical use of cannabis shall not constitute a defense against a charge of violating RCW 46.61.502, "WA House Bill 1017 would amend this RCW".

So now you'll get pulled over, the cops will check the new state database of patients, “yes patient registry you will be on a list that is available to law enforcement” and find that you are a medical marijuana patient, arrest and charge you with Driving Under the Influence and you having THC in your system because you are a patient, “weather you have recently medicated or not since thc stays in your system for up to 90 day for heavy users” will not be a defense. You're now in for at least a $10,000 ride through the criminal justice system.

Here’s an article from Fox about Bill 1017
http://www.q13fox.com/news/kcpq-new-dui-law-could-crack-down-o-122410,0,361152.story

This is a link for bill 1017
http://apps.leg.wa.gov/billinfo/summary.aspx?bill=1017

This bill does not exempt medical marijuana patients and Kohl-Welles' bill specifically states that we have no exemption.

So what does this mean for patients?

1. You get pulled over and interviewed by leo
2. Leo runs a standard background check
3. You come back as a registered medical marijuana patient
4. Since you are a registered medical marijuana patient the officer has probable cause to arrest you for DUI since he believes you have a controlled substance in your system.
5. Car impounded taken to jail take a long trip through the legal system.
6. With the right lawyer and enough $$$$ you get your car back and maybe get the charges dropped but definetly it’s a hasstle.

Our legislators are making us into criminals. Educate yourself and vote.

holy fuck. sign me up. I dontthink im part of the legislature and dont see a ballot coming my way til at least Nov. WHAT can I DO?

Read & share about it write your reps in Olympia & vote

and go here
http://cdc.coop/

Just do whatever you can to get the word out it's got to be a joint effort "all puns intended".

Theses are all great resources

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https://sensiblewashington.org/blog/

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Thanks for keeping is informed!!!

I'm following this closely....

So there is some good news on the horizon about bill 1017 (the amendment of the DUI laws).

It was brought to the attention to several different state agencies that if this bill were to pass that all state employees and goverment contract workers would need to be retested "for safety reasons"


Here's are some quote's from activist's working with Sensible Wa over the last few days


The old standard/today's standard is 50 ng/ml, in other words if you drug test today it is set up as 50ng/ml and up you fail. To take it down to 8ng/ml EVERYONE WILL HAVE TO BE RESTESTED to current law.

This is for Urine tests and blood tests, same 50ng/ml....whole blood or plasma don't matter.

If this becomes law, RETEST ALL Law Enforcement, Boeings and any other responsible businesses that drug tests in this state. Failing to retest to current law is unsafe, and if law enforcement is not retested we have grounds to protect ourselves from DOPPERS with badges who think there not good enough to be tested.

The regulations for for impairment for job testing is with Federal highway Admin, I have several calls in to get the regulations for drug testing.

Sensible Wa activist's called Wa., DOH, DOT, and let me tell ya there were not happy when I told them of Goodmens bill, you see they will have to drug test ALL Law Enforcement Officers if they drop the rate from 50ng/ml to 8 or 5ng/ml. It would not be safe for citizens if they did not retest them all... Boy were they po'ed at me for suggesting such a thing.. lmao


Goodmens purposed hb1071 the DUI impairment bill may have hit the skids today. Take a read on this info, states that drug testing for LEO's and federal and state employees is set at 50ng/ml? Wow, and purposed DUI limit in Washington State by this bill is 8ng/ml.

http://www.dot.gov/ost/dapc/NEW_DOCS/part40.html

Search below for this: § ...40.87 What are the cutoff concentrations for initial and confirmation tests?

Federal Highway Administration: Home
www.fhwa.dot.gov


Bottom line
8ng's is in everyones system. When you burn nacotics (destroy them by fire) they get into the air everyone breathes air. It's gonna be kaos. It's ok for government workers to have higher levels???

There have been recent discussions on toking and driving in both the Legal Edge and Toke N Talk forums, links below. In both of them, I mentioned a video my gf sent me. It's a news story about a lawyer in San Diego who gets clients off by citing two federal studies. These studies conclude that there is no evidence that marijuana use impairs driving. The only discernible difference they could find was that stoned people might drive a little slower.

https://www.rollitup.org/toke-n-talk/399055-do-you-drive-stoned.html

https://www.rollitup.org/legal-edge/398656-toking-driving.html

I don't drive at all due to my medical condition and the prescription medication I am on in addition to medical cannabis, it's been almost 2 years it makes things tough but it's better than being dead. Besides that's not my point my point is that you could be found guilty of DUI for simply having thc in you system stoned or not.

There are other activists that are approaching this from another angle as well and that is to require state and contract employees to be tested for prescription drugs as well as non-prescription drugs. There are allot of medications on the market that "may cause drowsiness, may impair the ability to operate heavy machinery or operate a motor vehicle". Do we really want our public servants that are employed to "protect and serve" under the influence? Or Boeing employee's assembling aircraft under the influence? How about the politicians that are proposing these bill's? These are the questions these activists are asking. At this point I'd be surprised if this makes it much further.

tet1953 said:

There have been recent discussions on toking and driving in both the Legal Edge and Toke N Talk forums, links below. In both of them, I mentioned a video my gf sent me. It's a news story about a lawyer in San Diego who gets clients off by citing two federal studies. These studies conclude that there is no evidence that marijuana use impairs driving. The only discernible difference they could find was that stoned people might drive a little slower.

https://www.rollitup.org/toke-n-talk/399055-do-you-drive-stoned.html

https://www.rollitup.org/legal-edge/398656-toking-driving.html

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Seriously??????

Dudes and dudettes who drive ripped ARE way less attentive then those who arent stoned, period!!! I'm not comparing with alcohol, which is far worse than MMJ. those "legal" studies from SD are BS and sound exactly like what a lawyer is supposed to say. (no disrespect intended).

Evidently you didn't visit the threads I posted. Oh well. FYI, the studies I mentioned are not from SD or the lawyer. They are from agencies of the federal government; highway safety and dot. It is not bs.

I have to admit at first the links included looked more like questions, "just the format of the forum" and I didn't read it but I went back and I took a look at the thread it seems that thread shows there is allot of hypocrisy surrounding topic of driving while "stoned/medicated". I hope that we could all agree that different chemicals effect people differently. Marijuana is a mind altering substance, "scientifically speaking it does have neurological properties that help with all sorts of medical conditions" and I think that any responsible Dr would support that. And the bigger picture in this is the double standard that exists toward medical marijuana patients compared to other medical patients that take other prescription medications.

I found a report done by the National Highway Traffic Safety Commission check it out

http://www.nhtsa.gov/People/injury/research/job185drugs/cannabis.htm

Cannabis / Marijuana ( Δ 9 -Tetrahydrocannabinol, THC)



"Effects on Driving: The drug manufacturer suggests that patients receiving treatment with Marinol® should be specifically warned not to drive until it is established that they are able to tolerate the drug and perform such tasks safely. Epidemiology data from road traffic arrests and fatalities indicate that after alcohol, marijuana is the most frequently detected psychoactive substance among driving populations. Marijuana has been shown to impair performance on driving simulator tasks and on open and closed driving courses for up to approximately 3 hours. Decreased car handling performance, increased reaction times, impaired time and distance estimation, inability to maintain headway, lateral travel, subjective sleepiness, motor incoordination, and impaired sustained vigilance have all been reported. Some drivers may actually be able to improve performance for brief periods by overcompensating for self-perceived impairment. The greater the demands placed on the driver, however, the more critical the likely impairment. Marijuana may particularly impair monotonous and prolonged driving. Decision times to evaluate situations and determine appropriate responses increase. Mixing alcohol and marijuana may dramatically produce effects greater than either drug on its own."


The drug manufacturer suggests that patients receiving treatment with Marinol® should be specifically warned not to drive until it is established that they are able to tolerate the drug and perform such tasks safely.

How does someone on prescription medication safely demonstrate this as the effects and tolerance levels are different for everyone.
Another question to ask is should we blindly trust studies conducted by the federal government and big pharma?

Good post, I was aware of the 'idea', but haven't seen anything on it...

I don't think these issues are as black and white as you think guys.....