All the raids??

I'll buy that some of the dispensary bud I've seen is the homegrown AZ stuff, but most of what I see is on the black market as well and that is all outdoor from CA and CO. AZ growers all shit gold don't you know! We have the best caregivers in the business, eating energy to produce Cartel Quality bud. And hell even the Cartel but isn't getting bricked up anymore, if they can get the seeds down to just a few we'll prolly be seeing their stuff for 60 an eighth next season at the dispensary, " Welfare Weed".

I wont say boo about Organica in Chino Valley, they have somebody on staff that knows their shit, but even that master grower is in L.A. producing those meds.

My opinion is we won't be seeing much from AZ growers until they restaff the inspection stations at the AZ borders, and then we'll see a slow down in "Medical" bud on the street for a while until supply routes can be reestablished and in the mean time AZ will start to produce a larger portion of its own weed.

But opinions are like assholes and this one certainly stinks.

Azoned said:

the dispensaries are OK....I object to the "sphere of influence". If everyone had grow rights the dispensary meds would be cheaper/ better. and more strains. But that is too smart.... AZ don't roll that way. 40+ yrs down here and it's still the same.

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'sphere of influence' == $$kiss-ass

and dispensaries are typically 'NOT' ok--

bzzzzzt!
wrong answer....that is 'not' too smart-


they will hardly ever buy other growers meds and offer discounts to pts....
--have you ever tried to vend to any of them?

typically 'in house' nepotism that makes them the most $$

i find it funnyyou guys have an mmj law that ONLY allows state monitored and sanctioned 'dispensaries' that are jacking your rights to cheap free(if you grow it) medicine....

go down to douglas and get good quality mex for cheap cheap-


--or if 'everyone' had 'grow rights' it would be ""game-on"" for you guys...

too bad the 25mile rule fks all of you...especially sick and dying patients!


start some 'patient unions'

.....and try and recoop your grow rights
....defend each other and the sick dying pts
.....instead of profiteers


they (lawyers) have jacked our law here in michigan too and left pts out to dry-

they have pulled most of the groups here around by their dicks on rollerskates all the whilepretending to support pts-

North Avalon said:

So wait, your not jumping on board with shit meds like jilly bean, blue dream and big bud being shoved down your throats at top shelf pricing? Better check the stance because in Arizona most dispensaries are going to carrying the EXACT same meds @ different prices produced from the same place. Many owners think that simply selling bud is going to make them rich and allow them to open multiple store fronts because they did not do their due diligence and talk with successful business owners from other states. From a recent phone interview there is no humility in the AZ scene, Growers and Owners, everyone thinks they are the bees knees but have very little or NO experience in this industry when asked but like to pretend otherwise. Astounding they don't ask for help and try to take on the challenge with a blind eye. Its amazing what you can figure out from just letting the talkers talk while you listen intently. Owners who despise the free trade in Arizona are sending mignons to your farmers markets to buy low priced meds direct from the source only to take that bud and stock it on their shelves for 1.5x-2x the price. Many had thought Arizona was going to be the next CA, CO, wake up, you have too much disconnect between dispensaries, patients and growers.

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yeah dispensaries have licenses to 'grow their own' crappy commercially produced hydro crap and sell it to you guys for big$$

bees knees....lmao!

the best erb/medicine is outdoor grown organic free!
you guys are in one of the best places to do that....

sun/heat+organic== AAA medicine

the same here in michigan.....from jumpstreet they think they are the shizzle dizzle.....

--only ONE thing they are about---->$$$$


...now if thy gave it away 'free' to terminal pts.
...then sold it to all their friends.....i might 'see'the "compassion"

....and they were doing the same thing here in michigan buying out the best AAA from the FM and taking it back to their stores and reselling it--pfffft!

and they ALL were importing it from other states at first....till they got up
-gotta start w somthing!

at least you guys >>have FM
...and thats where the people have all the barganing power
....puts the wiggle room ($$) back to the pt

Hÿdra;9469611 said:

This is why I am Packing up and heading to Colorado soon. I have met ONE person, exactly ONE person that is friendly AND helpful with MMJ knowledge in this state, and HE is from ANOTHER state!!!!! Az people are dickheads, worse than where i am from(the land of the asshole).
North Avalon is 100000000% correct.
I want to go somewhere to LEARN how to grow the best weed i can, not sit around and talk about how i ALREADY have the best weed in town. Mine IS NOT The bet weed, but it will be soon.

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--go up to 'nor cal' and get a job

....almost harvest time there and they need good worker bees willing to learn
...plus you have access to some of the best genetics in the country....to spread around

and expert expert simple organic growers-
always loking for 'students' to pass their knowledge to...

colorado pays like 7.50$ an hr (lol) to workers at dispensaries and their grows
...plus you have to eat shit from all the ego maniacal owners and their grow bitxh wives.... lmao

--and FYI
...they have gotten most of their genes from north cali

KAL EL said:

First off, it's retarded and second I am not.
I am pretty sure I know how it works. Dispensaries are buying Cali and Colo bud. They are not buying the homegrown weed at the market to resell. lmao

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you are probably 'spot on' w your observations....they have to start somewhere

and i cant belive you guys outthere with all that sun cant figure out how to get ""1"" high quality super resinous 10lb plant outdoor plant
....real easy if you know how-

where that 'teradactyl poop' thread...? lmao


peaceAZ...i miss 'tubing' down the salt river naked smokingphatties


i have fun reading your threads tho-


just be glad your not 'here' in ""Godzilla""[dtroit]
....they will jack you at the gas station its gettin so bad

all the signs that say 'welcome to Dtroit' now have--"enter at your own risk" under them

Im going up for school, growing is just a hobby. I have ZERO interest in growing or working for a dispensary. Im just trying to learn for myself and my own drive to be good at stuff, i want to grow the best weed in the world...then keep it all for myself and my family. The Green Rush is a lie.

North Avalon said:

Typical eyes wide shut, ^^ this is why I do not entertain this board often.
The co-ops who want to stay in business are not importing. Yes some definitely are but they are running a high risk of loosing a valuable permit. FEDs are always compiling their list of export/import business in all med states, those are the first to get raided, ALWAYS. It really sucks being employed by people who fucking do that as well, let me tell ya. Arizona Homegrown is affordable in same cases and fills the needs of certain tiers of medicine. Many of the owners are business people and this is matter of simple economics, there is profit to be made. You would be blind to think co-ops don't have undercover financial arrangements with caregivers for supply. You said it yourself, patients can get medicine from anywhere, some of them just bring that medicine to their boss. Some caregivers can have 15 ounces on them at any time if I'm not mistaken. Believe it or not, whatever, no sweat of my back, this was merely friendly insight to the growers out there.

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Apples and oranges. You are talking co ops and clubs. I am talking dispensaries.
If you think dispensaries are following the law... they use a loophole.
They buy bud from out of state and then have the guy they get it from sign a paper saying it was donated.
I have had multiple dispensaries ask me to get bud for them. I have only been in this industry for the past 25 years so I am pretty sure I know how it works.

That's what is cool about forums, everyone can voice their opinions.

Co-op is how we sometimes refer to dispensaries out here in Cali big dog. Not all the owners are being so loose like you referenced, some are being extremely strict about the origination of incoming product. Some owners already have established wealth they are not willing to risk.

Look into Kind RX wholesale, not everyone has to resort to importing when they can buy packs locally/play by the rules.
A good portion of the weed that is titled boutique/top shelf, not weight, is local. Donated by whoever but never the less local. There will always be an exception of course.

North Avalon said:

Co-op is how we sometimes refer to dispensaries out here in Cali big dog. Not all the owners are being so loose like you referenced, some are being extremely strict about the origination of incoming product. Some owners already have established wealth they are not willing to risk.

Look into Kind RX wholesale, not everyone has to resort to importing when they can buy packs locally/play by the rules.
A good portion of the weed that is titled boutique/top shelf, not weight, is local. Donated by whoever but never the less local. There will always be an exception of course.

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lol.....this guy.

North Avalon said:

So wait, your not jumping on board with shit meds like jilly bean, blue dream and big bud being shoved down your throats at top shelf pricing? Better check the stance because in Arizona most dispensaries are going to carrying the EXACT same meds @ different prices produced from the same place. Many owners think that simply selling bud is going to make them rich and allow them to open multiple store fronts because they did not do their due diligence and talk with successful business owners from other states. From a recent phone interview there is no humility in the AZ scene, Growers and Owners, everyone thinks they are the bees knees but have very little or NO experience in this industry when asked but like to pretend otherwise. Astounding they don't ask for help and try to take on the challenge with a blind eye. Its amazing what you can figure out from just letting the talkers talk while you listen intently. Owners who despise the free trade in Arizona are sending mignons to your farmers markets to buy low priced meds direct from the source only to take that bud and stock it on their shelves for 1.5x-2x the price. Many had thought Arizona was going to be the next CA, CO, wake up, you have too much disconnect between dispensaries, patients and growers.

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Uh, no!...what I am saying is...If you allow folk to grow good meds here, they can/will. I think the dispensaries should be a convenience for the patient. Personally, they are priced WAY out of my league and have not presented any better meds than my own. I will not be patronizing them in the foreseeable future

thecoolman said:

of course not but the real question is

Want to see what this old ass 43 year old man can do? Fuck you and your empty threats you sent me..fucking faggot.

Oh and as for the smoke quality you mentioned in your message.... I have seen your pics and its definitely far from impressive and truly pathetic
your young arrogant dumb ass self thinks he knows everything.

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oooooooh soooooo madd lol.



as far as out of state/ in state. your both right. its hard to tell though many "growers" around here pass off bud that they never saw on the branch. they go and donate to a dispensary and then the dispensary can cover their ass because as far as they know their meds were grown in state by so and so (whom they pay appearance or consulting fees in exchange for medicine donations). they keep a nice paper trail so they can pass the blame onto their suppliers when they get raided. some of this weed definitely is grown in az but a majority of it does not go farther than the small circle around those who grow it. this state has become the laughing stock of the mmj world. a secondary market for the shittiest of the shitty which can not be moved in state like CA and CO and restrictions to home and smaller scale production is the exact reason for this. demand never ceases and when you restrict supply you will get lower quality and a higher price. couple that with an oligopoly on distribution and really a monopoly (because most dispensaries will be buying greenhouse shit from a few very large instate production facilities) on production and you get the worst possible outcome for patients but the best outcome for the bottom line of the investors who designed this system.

KAL EL said:

First off, it's retarded and second I am not.
I am pretty sure I know how it works. Dispensaries are buying Cali and Colo bud. They are not buying the homegrown weed at the market to resell. lmao

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i know for a fact that Dispensaries are buying top shelf local homegrown, indoor for around 28-32

Lucius Vorenus said:

i know for a fact that Dispensaries are buying top shelf local homegrown, indoor for around 28-32

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Which ones? Seriously bro!

I have been to over 10 and there is maybe just maybe one that has fire meds but I can surely guarantee it is mostly from CO and CA... (Outdoor - trimming season is in the mist!FYI)


And I would imagine your dispensary is one of these folks? Please inform me my friend... This would be great news!

Lucius Vorenus said:

i know for a fact that Dispensaries are buying top shelf local homegrown, indoor for around 28-32

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I know for a fact dispensaries are buying mid grade out of state meds for around 28-32.

Lucius Vorenus said:

i know for a fact that Dispensaries are buying top shelf local homegrown, indoor for around 28-32

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Hate it or love it, this is definitely happening. I'm sure some on these boards have even been approached about their medicine.
Some dispensaries are charging 3-35 to other dispensaries for mediocre stock because there needs to be supply, heard those numbers from an owner directly. Some have large greenhouses up and running, the season is upon you all. Many of the owners don't care about top shelf quality just yet and not every dispensary group has an enlighten view of medicine, strains etc. Why care if the herb is selling, that seems to be the norm. The knowledge will come from immersing themselves in the canna world or finding employees who are well informed. Hard to judge who has the experience when the interviewers have very little, if any themselves imo. Some have the understanding but dont know the first thing about production. Once again, there is a large disconnect between patients, growers and owners in Arizona, the ones who can have a meeting of the minds and feed offeach others knowledge and experience will succeed.
Perusing a business without the proper tools makes the road very rough.

apothecarist said:

I know for a fact dispensaries are buying mid grade out of state meds for around 28-32.

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but its being sold to them from their caregivers as "top shelf local homegrown, indoor." aside from calling your outdoor garbage top shelf anything. there is no way you could grow enough bud with t5s to supply enough. even if you ran a sea of green with 16 plants per table.

apothecarist said:

I know for a fact dispensaries are buying mid grade out of state meds for around 28-32.

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Thats happening too.

irieie said:

but its being sold to them from their caregivers as "top shelf local homegrown, indoor." aside from calling your outdoor garbage top shelf anything. there is no way you could grow enough bud with t5s to supply enough. even if you ran a sea of green with 16 plants per table.

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Well judging by the shit genetics you peddle at the markets as "top shelf", you aren't the guy who should be running his mouth.

North Avalon said:

Hate it or love it, this is definitely happening. I'm sure some on these boards have even been approached about their medicine.
Some dispensaries are charging 3-35 to other dispensaries for mediocre stock because there needs to be supply, heard those numbers from an owner directly. Some have large greenhouses up and running, the season is upon you all. Many of the owners don't care about top shelf quality just yet and not every dispensary group has an enlighten view of medicine, strains etc. Why care if the herb is selling, that seems to be the norm. The knowledge will come from immersing themselves in the canna world or finding employees who are well informed. Hard to judge who has the experience when the interviewers have very little, if any themselves imo. Some have the understanding but dont know the first thing about production. Once again, there is a large disconnect between patients, growers and owners in Arizona, the ones who can have a meeting of the minds and feed offeach others knowledge and experience will succeed.
Perusing a business without the proper tools makes the road very rough.

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All the owners care about is that it is clean and tests well. All the patients care about is that it gets them high. Period.

The amount of over thinking that goes on on these forums by these bedroom Grow Gurus is quite astounding. Which is why most of them are NOT involved in the industry, nor will they ever be.

HB DC said:

Which ones? Seriously bro!

I have been to over 10 and there is maybe just maybe one that has fire meds but I can surely guarantee it is mostly from CO and CA... (Outdoor - trimming season is in the mist!FYI)


And I would imagine your dispensary is one of these folks? Please inform me my friend... This would be great news!

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Why do you care to go to a Dispensary? Why don't you just keep smoking all that "FIRE" you grow in your closet and be happy?

Lucius Vorenus said:

All the owners care about is that it is clean and tests well. All the patients care about is that it gets them high. Period.

The amount of over thinking that goes on on these forums by these bedroom Grow Gurus is quite astounding. Which is why most of them are NOT involved in the industry, nor will they ever be.

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Umm, no, try again you fucking mongoloid.

Lucius Vorenus said:

All the owners care about is that it is clean and tests well.

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Correct!!
But in this lies a serious issue, the reason they rely on the testing results so much is because they do not know anything about the cannabis itself, gotta admit that Lucius V.

Some of the test results posted on dispensaries menus are totally bogus when the physical bud is taken into account. Owners need to be able to distinguish a bs test, if not, hire someone who can for an hrly wage, whatever. The problem with relying on testing in Arizona is that from many peoples experiences, its terribly inaccurate. People have called shenanigans on many of those results by getting out of state tests done.
If the numbers and machine inspection are the only way they determine if its worthy of being on the shelves, it's a little scary and displays the lack of industry knowledge. The purchasing process in Cali is not only determined by GC/HPLC machines but by severly educated humans who methodically inspect the buds for safety issues. The herb actually does not make it to the tester if it does not pass human inspection. Not in Arizona of course, lol.

Just to start, has anyone seen the grammatical errors on the stat sheets from AZ analytical/ med testing? To a business owner, would that not throw up some red flags about professionalism and legitimacy? They don't run spell check but dispensaries and patients are heavily relying on them to give accurate cannabiniod readings? Fucking baffling and it's not very hard to see the obvious disconnect.

Lucius Vorenus said:

Well judging by the shit genetics you peddle at the markets as "top shelf", you aren't the guy who should be running his mouth.

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This a total bullshit statement. i have worked with irieie at the market and his meds were some of the best there. out of 40 tables, there were 3 tables including irieies that had decent bud.