All-in-one organic soils

Has anyone use a all-in-one organic soil??

Is that a brand of soil? Or are you asking if anyone mixes up their own "all-in-one" soil?

No, the brand I have been looking at is Miller Soil Reds Prem. Mix. Its a all in one. Have you used anything like it. I got on here the other to find more info on it.

I make my own "all-in-one" soil. Haven't tried that kind...

What's in it?

3 different compost microbes, fungi,biochar green sand,kelp,and like 25 other organic ingredients. I like it (so far) no mixing and can re use it then compost it and use it again. Its a living soil and no yellowing of my plants at all. (yet, almost to flowering) I've only used water and so far my plants have grown 20% faster in veg. Will see how they end up.

I've used Miller's Reds Blend. It rocks. I've tried a couple of water only's. Makes life easier. So you are into char as well I see?

Yes just got in to it!! Friend in WA uses it all time in his grow. Gets great results!!

I have wanted to try it!!

I have been searching for the past few months for an all in one. I am tired of playing Chemist and mixing up nutes. I have tried Marine Cuisine and a few others out there but not with the same results that I get with my nute program. They veg ok but lack in the flowers. I have tried a few flower boosters but didn't give me the results I was wanting.

I have gone back to my nute program right now but just ordered some of Red's soil from said ^^ company and am hoping it will be the answer I am wanting. The faster vegging is very interesting.

All in one magical cure. Some call it Snake Oil. Tamales in a can sucks. Powdered eggs sucks. Tang sucks. All this quick shit sucks. Got Kids? A shot of meth will certainly make them feel wonderful... These shortcuts you are seeking is depriving you & your suscess & pure enjoyment of the entire process. As the country songs says, 2 house garage & still adding on.... Forget all that shit, and start a the basics. Organic. Grow soil, not plants. The best pot in the world is simply an aftermath of good soil. see the dirt doctor.com, get back to the fun part. I can grow 12 lb plants without bs problems. You can too. Rabbit manure & a worm bed is the first start.

Uh huh South Texas... I can hear ya from here. Just like the Texans that come fishing with me. They may land a 20"+ trout but all the while they are telling me how big the trout grow in Texas. Yet I never see pictures of them holding those said fish. We aren't looking for snake oil my man. Just good soil and from what how it reads you yourself like good soil.

Charrista... what strains did you run in the Red's soil and how was your harvest? I have heard that the over all weight might lack but the quality makes up for it. Any truth?

It's pretty simple. High quality compost and/or worm castings are the workhorses behind any healthy organic soil mix. You simply WILL NOT find high quality compost in a bag, especially in a pre-mixed bag of soil. If the highest quality soil (and resulting product) is what you seek, plan to make your own compost or worm castings and mix up your soil from scratch.

Well said, Spicy. Worm casting is THE most nutrition substance known to man. Rabbit manure in a kiddie pool with a lb. of red wiggle worms will damn near grow a steel fence post. Throw away all the meters, water, ph, etc. with this start-up soil, mother nature keeps a perfect balance. Add some pure aleo vera, fish emulsion, greensand, thrive, seaweed, ground eggshell, stone ground, zeolite, blood & feather meal... shit !!! the babies will do amazing things. There is some fairly good, even impressive pre-mixed stuff. ie; Roots, Ladybug products, Living Earth products, Earth Juice, etc. 80% rabbit/worm farm soil, 20% pre-mix. Mix 'till you puke (a lot), & your set. Rain water is seriously awesome. Well water is second best. Shake up water to infuse oyxgen, temp-68° to 72°. I spend a week soaking plastic watering jugs (fill, soak, empty...10 times before I, or my babies consume the content. Plastic is toxic to organic life. Peat moss, sorgum,etc. WILL NOT promote microbial life, it KILLS microbial life..., use zeolite & worms to 'work the soil. Interesting fact. Different manures contain different types of bateria. Different types of bacteria breaks down the soil in different ways... is that cool or what? Wihh a 5 gal. pail of rabbit, I would add 2 single handfulls of various non -toxic manures, ie; sheep, duck, chicken, horse & cows. If you want "GOOD SHIT", use good shit. With this info, 12 lb plants is not just a dream. See dirtdoctor.com for more info. Hope this helped.

Trout is code word for I"m a damn yankee & don't know jack shit about real fishing. In all fairness (yea, right), trout is good bait for Texas minnows & ignorant-ass yankees. If you fish with me, you need 3 five gal. buckets, what you call "Corks", ski rope or parachute line (fishing line) & either whole turkey or chicken for bait, depending on the season. Pork chittlin's & game warden parts work well at full moon... taste just like mullet. It's called Cat fishing. The corks keep the boat from being pulled under... seriously folks. An 80 lb. yellow cat ain't nuttin to play around with. Best Gator bait, other than my Ex is yankee water skiers.

South Texas that's some funny stuff. Perfect example of people from Texas. Not getting in any pissing match here. You and Spicy are absolutely correct about soil. The soil that Biochar is talking about is exactly the same thing you and Spicy are talking about. Before chiming in do a bit of research to see what exactly is being discussed.

Red's soil is just that. http://www.millersoilsllc.com/ check this out and come back with your insults.

And if you want to discuss cat fishing than I am your Huckleberry. Don't let the trout talk fool you. I could make a living off of cat's and stripers.

Spicy. Making soil is pretty easy and simple but is time dependent and takes space. Unfortunately I am lacking both in my life right now. The word going around the small community of growers I work with is that this stuff is fantastic. It doesn't produce 12lb plants but I am not looking for that. It's the quality that I am after and they say this produces some top shelf stuff.

I tried to research that soil, but the website I came up with wasn't working. I'll check that link out when I have a minute.

I did not cough up any insults, just opinions based on my personal experiences and research. By all means give that soil a try and post up your results. I would love to be proven wrong on this one, and I'm not one to get butt-hurt about it.

Well that was quick... I just checked out that link. It only lists a few of the ingredients, and doesn't even mention whether it's peat-based, coco-based, or what.

Still no insults here, but I'd love to know what all the other ingredients are.

I would also love to hear where they are sourcing their worm castings, and what the worms were fed. Not all worm castings are created equal (diverse, high quality inputs produce quality castings).

Really, though... You're sold on this soil, so give it a try!

Hey Spicy. Not sold on it yet. Just interested. I have never tried it. I have some friends who have and really love it. It's that simple. I don't really understand how you can be proven wrong. We are talking about the same stuff here.

I know you didn't insult anyone. That comment was written for the person who did.

We are all on the same team here. Growers make up a very small portion of our world. Let's not argue amongst ourselves when we should stand together no matter if we agree with each other or not. Your way is no better than my way. My way is not the right way and your way is not the wrong way. Different strokes for different folks. It is how we choose to grow and most of us want the same results. Quality over quantity.

Your input is very much appreciated and respected. I just think we are talking about oranges here. Once I find out the other ingredients I will post them.

With all that said have you ever heard of Biochar or anyone who has used it?

The "proving me wrong" part was related to my past experiences with bagged products (soils and composts) compared with my experiences now that I am mixing my soil from scratch. I'm honestly not trying to stir anything up, here; just trying to help others learn from my experiences (if that makes sense).

I do a whole lot of reading, and I see the same progression over and over and over and over again. People start with big-name bagged soils like Fox Farms or Roots, and pour bottled nutrients over them. Then maybe they try a "boutique" soil aimed at the MJ industry, like Empire Builder or a handful of others. Then they start adding some various amendments to the soil, maybe even start brewing compost teas. Then they maybe try a popular "supersoil" recipe, again using the store-bought bags of "base soil" and bagged worm castings. Then they mix up a batch of soil from scratch, maybe even start up a worm bin or a compost pile. Then they start re-amending and reusing their soil, and start phasing out products from the hydro shop in favor or simple, pure ingredients like kelp, alfalfa, and neem meal. One thing you will notice no matter how much you read is that you VERY rarely will see someone go backward in the "progression" I just described. Why? Because the results just keep getting better!

I was one of those people, too. I followed just about every step I listed above, and I will NEVER go back. If I can save someone's time, money, and effort by convincing them to skip one or two of the steps above, I believe they will thank me later.

I haven't tried biochar yet, but I have researched it pretty thoroughly. I actually have some char on hand that I'll be experimenting with as soon as I pull my next harvest of worm castings. I've been reading about how to "charge" the biochar with compost, and I'm sure my worm castings will work well for that.