Afganistan worth trillions...

Mr.KushMan

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But one must ask WHY are we sending hellfire missiles up some guys ass halfway around the world. If those hellfire missiles are keeping our enemies from attacking us then I'm all for it. Why should the federal govt. pay for grandma's kidney dialysis? Why doesn't grandma have health insurance or medicare? Why didn't she plan better for her golden years? Why should the federal govt. be required to provide for all of our needs? What happened to personal responsiblity? I don't want the federal govt. paying for my medical costs and I don't want to pay for anybody elses medical costs. That's not what this thread is about but congrats on the deflection there abe.:clap:
What enemies? Do you think there is a terrorist at every corner waiting to jump out a blow you up? 9/11 was a inside job with out a doubt. I can prove it to you with on short paragraph. The problem with the "War on Terror!?!?" is that it is as flawed as drug prohibition, you can't govern morality. If someone wants to walk into a market square, or to a town hall meeting and blow themselves up, they WILL!!! It comes back to education, you have to make people understand that no way of thought is empirical, besides solipsism/cartesian dualism, and thus everything is potentially fallible.

Think about each of us being inseparable entities, which we are(quantum phsyics/philosophy buff), and thus each a cog or gear in a very complex watch. I like the watch analogy because it really depicts our lives, being based on time, and our society has deemed time of utmost importance. Also because a very complex set of actions, while being very consistent, must be built to work in unison, together, driven by the same power source, all moving proportionately, yet at different speeds and with different gear ratios and it is a very useful, and innovative at the time, invention while being precise and small. It is a very clear thing that ""money is the root of all evil" and most people are evil" so its the thing that creates the problems. Its not just corporate profiteering, but personal.

You can describe corporatism as any number of things, neocon, neolib, fascism, globalism but mostly it is an oligarchy and most people want to be in the club. The way to stop needless destruction and mindless consumption and production is to stop excessive access. If people have unlimited access, then what need do they have to hoard, because it will be available later and it just requires more energy and a negative conscience if they cut corners and dump toxic sludge, there is no profit to be gained. Everything exists and everything is in production and transit, and then some, all the monetary system does is push power to the top of the ladder, be it through taxes or through consumption. As more are born=a greater number of workers=more control for the ruling body.

I agree however that the democratic-government was merely set up in order to create the facade of power of people, every person being trapped because all land is worth$$$ you must submit and waste life working for a dictator in order for any chance of prosperity. Being so bureaucratic and procedural, and built with such jaded language creates a nanny type population that need everything spoon fed to them through owned media and most people don't even like to think because of 12 years of education where they were spoon fed diatribes of near meaningless information, which then set them up to accept everything the corporate media tells them.

As well what does government provide besides constraints on the freedoms, rights and privacies of the public, and allow corporate waste and profit scheming(no bid contracts, subsidies, bailouts). They don't make streets safer, start profit based wars, poison our oceans and lakes, and privatize our utilities. It is the people that see the need for regulations, and the potholes in the streets, and the houses, and the clean water. We can do everything we need without these obviously flawed social-associations. Many if not all are based on ideology, what I offer it the idea that all we have is now, and in order to play it safe we should treat others with care and respect and in turn hope to be treated by the same qualities.

You can't walk into a room of light, with darkness, and hope to dim the power of light; you can walk into a dark room and hold up a candle and illuminate every surface and discover the fallacies in your fears of the unknown.

See the problem with your argument, "...Why didn't she plan better for her golden years?...", is you are acknowledging that the resources are there to save her, but its her fault for not planning to have failing, or deteriorated, kidneys. She should have put that on her to do list when she was 25. Maybe her mother and father died and at the age of 16 she was catapulted to role of guardian of 6 children, the family being on the socialist blacklist, she wasn't able to apply for government help. So now because she would rather help others than herself at all costs, she must pay with her life and an excruciatingly slow death because the doctor getting paid $250,000 a year wanted either $15,000 for treatment or he was going to go sailing on his yacht. You are poisoning the well, and I just hope that you don't have to get the help you need when your skull is punctured with a coat hanger and it swirls your brain into a soup, and the people who see you leaking grey matter on the pavement just say, "he should have gotten better insurance."

When you see stats like, 200 people yearly on average are killed by terrorism and like acts, and the budget is in the tens and hundreds of billions, and 450,000 die yearly from heart disease and budgeting is in the tens of millions. So we should really think about what things are important to us, maybe not dying this instant in an extremely small chance of a bomb being near us, or saving ourselves from the partially unpreventable diseases that kill order of magnitude more population.

STOP SULLYING YOUR VIEW OF REALITY WITH WHAT THE FUCKING MEDIA TELLS YOU!

Peace
 

doc111

Well-Known Member
What enemies? Do you think there is a terrorist at every corner waiting to jump out a blow you up? 9/11 was a inside job with out a doubt. I can prove it to you with on short paragraph. The problem with the "War on Terror!?!?" is that it is as flawed as drug prohibition, you can't govern morality. If someone wants to walk into a market square, or to a town hall meeting and blow themselves up, they WILL!!! It comes back to education, you have to make people understand that no way of thought is empirical, besides solipsism/cartesian dualism, and thus everything is potentially fallible.

Think about each of us being inseparable entities, which we are(quantum phsyics/philosophy buff), and thus each a cog or gear in a very complex watch. I like the watch analogy because it really depicts our lives, being based on time, and our society has deemed time of utmost importance. Also because a very complex set of actions, while being very consistent, must be built to work in unison, together, driven by the same power source, all moving proportionately, yet at different speeds and with different gear ratios and it is a very useful, and innovative at the time, invention while being precise and small. It is a very clear thing that ""money is the root of all evil" and most people are evil" so its the thing that creates the problems. Its not just corporate profiteering, but personal.

You can describe corporatism as any number of things, neocon, neolib, fascism, globalism but mostly it is an oligarchy and most people want to be in the club. The way to stop needless destruction and mindless consumption and production is to stop excessive access. If people have unlimited access, then what need do they have to hoard, because it will be available later and it just requires more energy and a negative conscience if they cut corners and dump toxic sludge, there is no profit to be gained. Everything exists and everything is in production and transit, and then some, all the monetary system does is push power to the top of the ladder, be it through taxes or through consumption. As more are born=a greater number of workers=more control for the ruling body.

I agree however that the democratic-government was merely set up in order to create the facade of power of people, every person being trapped because all land is worth$$$ you must submit and waste life working for a dictator in order for any chance of prosperity. Being so bureaucratic and procedural, and built with such jaded language creates a nanny type population that need everything spoon fed to them through owned media and most people don't even like to think because of 12 years of education where they were spoon fed diatribes of near meaningless information, which then set them up to accept everything the corporate media tells them.

As well what does government provide besides constraints on the freedoms, rights and privacies of the public, and allow corporate waste and profit scheming(no bid contracts, subsidies, bailouts). They don't make streets safer, start profit based wars, poison our oceans and lakes, and privatize our utilities. It is the people that see the need for regulations, and the potholes in the streets, and the houses, and the clean water. We can do everything we need without these obviously flawed social-associations. Many if not all are based on ideology, what I offer it the idea that all we have is now, and in order to play it safe we should treat others with care and respect and in turn hope to be treated by the same qualities.

You can't walk into a room of light, with darkness, and hope to dim the power of light; you can walk into a dark room and hold up a candle and illuminate every surface and discover the fallacies in your fears of the unknown.

See the problem with your argument, "...Why didn't she plan better for her golden years?...", is you are acknowledging that the resources are there to save her, but its her fault for not planning to have failing, or deteriorated, kidneys. She should have put that on her to do list when she was 25. Maybe her mother and father died and at the age of 16 she was catapulted to role of guardian of 6 children, the family being on the socialist blacklist, she wasn't able to apply for government help. So now because she would rather help others than herself at all costs, she must pay with her life and an excruciatingly slow death because the doctor getting paid $250,000 a year wanted either $15,000 for treatment or he was going to go sailing on his yacht. You are poisoning the well, and I just hope that you don't have to get the help you need when your skull is punctured with a coat hanger and it swirls your brain into a soup, and the people who see you leaking grey matter on the pavement just say, "he should have gotten better insurance."

When you see stats like, 200 people yearly on average are killed by terrorism and like acts, and the budget is in the tens and hundreds of billions, and 450,000 die yearly from heart disease and budgeting is in the tens of millions. So we should really think about what things are important to us, maybe not dying this instant in an extremely small chance of a bomb being near us, or saving ourselves from the partially unpreventable diseases that kill order of magnitude more population.

STOP SULLYING YOUR VIEW OF REALITY WITH WHAT THE FUCKING MEDIA TELLS YOU!

Peace
Wow man! I am way too stoned to read all of what you wrote! I will say this; you are assuming that 9/11 was an "inside job". What proof? I've read literally volumes on 9/11 conspiracies. Nothing I've seen on the conspiracy side holds up. I don't really want to get into another 9/11 conspiracy debate. Your opinion is your opinion and I respect, but disagree with it. I only have what the media and what little I can find on the internet to go by. I don't have time to be a super sleuth and go around digging for the truth. If you have the time and resources then I say kudos and I hope you find what you seek! I don't believe everything the media tells me and I understand full well how one-sided they can be. I do have my own brain and my own intuition which tells me that there is a valid threat from islamic extremism. That aside, I suffered a career ending injury so I understand full well how unexpected things can happen. I still don't want YOU to have to pay for it. I think there should be some better disability insurance plans or something to help subsidize "grandma's kidney dialysis" but it shouldn't fall in federal government's lap. :peace:
 

mmsicis

Active Member
Why Humanity has to kill themselfs... ?
After 2012, there will be drastic changes of our meaning of life, and humanity will be waked up from this hate nonsense which has been happening quite long time.
OR there will be WWIII with nuclear weapons and we will destroy this beautiful planet, and rest of Earth-Humans will be living on moon, watching how earth glowing red, totally destroyd, so Rich ass people finds another place to live on, keep digging for resources, make new 6 billion society which hates each other and again they move on...
Humanity should be unit, E.T.`s are watching us and living belong us, im sure about that.
 

blazin256

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so the question im sure we all want to know is...what companies should we invest in so we can exploit some of this??
 

hanimmal

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I am not a large war buff, so maybe I am wrong about this, but we are not actually at war with Afghanistan are we? I thought we are fighting the Taliban there and not the government.

If that is the case, and it is true that they data mined this information from old files from the 80's that the soviets had gathered, it would mean that they must have a reason for releasing this information to the public.

If it was me I would think this is a good opportunity to get the Afghani people excited at the prospect of getting wealthy. If they do this right and let the money stick with the Afghani government and its people, there is no way the people would turn to the taliban if we are funding the operation for them to get this stuff. Allow them to keep all the money from the enterprise of mining it, and we can step aside and buy up as much of the lithium as possible at cheap prices because at first they would see huge benefits with little money, and as the price starts to naturally rise due to the rest of the world wanting to buy it we can leave and just let the market take care of itself.

Because at that point, if the Taliban started to screw with their money through collaborating with terrorists, the people will drive them out themselves in order to maintain their new standard of living.
 

NoDrama

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I am not a large war buff, so maybe I am wrong about this, but we are not actually at war with Afghanistan are we? I thought we are fighting the Taliban there and not the government.
The USA has not waged war since dubya dubya deuce or more precisely Dec 31, 1946. That was the last war we were involved in. PERIOD!!! Only Congress can declare war and I have never in my entire life heard of congress doing that.

There is no war, Vietnam was not a war, Korea was not a war, Iraq was not a war, Afghanistan is not a war, the war on terror is not a war, the war on drugs is not a war.

Look up the war powers act, you would be surprised at how many wars we haven't fought.

If it was me I would think this is a good opportunity to get the Afghan people excited at the prospect of getting wealthy. If they do this right and let the money stick with the Afghan government and its people, there is no way the people would turn to the taliban if we are funding the operation for them to get this stuff. Allow them to keep all the money from the enterprise of mining it, and we can step aside and buy up as much of the lithium as possible at cheap prices because at first they would see huge benefits with little money, and as the price starts to naturally rise due to the rest of the world wanting to buy it we can leave and just let the market take care of itself.
Really? LOL there is no way the afghan people will get to keep one fucking penny. Those resources will become The US's resources. The us does not help other countries get rich, the US takes everything it wants and if you don't like it they will just drop a bomb on your house. It will be under the guise of Helping the Afghan people pay for the reconstruction of their country or some other BS political agenda.

The USA's war cry is" Resistance is futile, you will be assimilated"

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hanimmal

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Really? LOL there is no way the afghan people will get to keep one fucking penny. Those resources will become The US's resources. The us does not help other countries get rich, the US takes everything it wants and if you don't like it they will just drop a bomb on your house. It will be under the guise of Helping the Afghan people pay for the reconstruction of their country or some other BS political agenda.

The USA's war cry is" Resistance is futile, you will be assimilated"
Sadly I know what you mean. I just wish it wasn't the case because it never really works out in the long run.

Was the Iraq war a war? It is crazy how we can just do shit and not call it what it is.
 

redivider

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Sadly I know what you mean. I just wish it wasn't the case because it never really works out in the long run.

Was the Iraq war a war? It is crazy how we can just do shit and not call it what it is.
what's happening in the middle east is not technically a war. a 'war' requires an exit strategy. this situation never included an exit strategy in the original package presented to congress.

the US should learn from history and just leave afganistan. it'll cost us 35 trillion dollars to extract 3 trillion dollars from a land populated with people that despise us.

don't start investing in the mining industry yet folks....
 

NoDrama

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what's happening in the middle east is not technically a war. a 'war' requires an exit strategy. this situation never included an exit strategy in the original package presented to congress.

the US should learn from history and just leave afganistan. it'll cost us 35 trillion dollars to extract 3 trillion dollars from a land populated with people that despise us.

don't start investing in the mining industry yet folks....

yep 35 trillion and 100,000 American Lives and about oh i don't know 29,021,800 Afghan Lives. Then we move on to Iran. They have oil, the US must take it away from them, they aren't like us so the American People will be ok with that, especially since we all know Muslim is just a Euphemism for Evil Terrorist.
 

fitch303

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Guess im the only one who thinks it's ok for us to take the resources for our self, winner takes the spoils...always have and always will
 

n1knightmare

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Guess im the only one who thinks it's ok for us to take the resources for our self, winner takes the spoils...always have and always will
I am still waiting to see what company to invest in so i can take advantage of this. LOL The US has spent alot of money on the war so it is time for them to recover some of there losses.
 

OregonMeds

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"Give us your poor, your tired, your huddled masses (of oil and minerals) longing to be free (or at least cheaper than we could otherwise buy it from you)."
 

doc111

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Sadly I know what you mean. I just wish it wasn't the case because it never really works out in the long run.

Was the Iraq war a war? It is crazy how we can just do shit and not call it what it is.
Technical definition of war aside, we are still killing people and people are still killing us. That's the only definition of war that I need.:peace:
 
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