Affordable?

Surprise!

http://www.wsj.com/articles/we-were-promised-affordable-care-letters-to-the-editor-1418934771

Millions of self-employed people like me are finding out what ObamaCare really means to them: huge cost increases. In 2014, my wife and I selected a high-deductible plan that was right for us. We no longer needed child or pregnancy coverage and aren’t frequent visitors to doctors. We’ve taken reasonably good care of ourselves over the years by not smoking, eating well (mostly) and committing to regular exercise. We have also been fortunate not to have contracted any serious illnesses.


Our insurance premium for 2015 will rise by 112% from $714 a month to $1,511 a month for essentially the same coverage we had before, with similar deductibles. In addition, our drug costs will double. The total annual increase to us in 2015 will be $11,364.

The ACA is for the uninsured and undocumented, what you posted is how it will pay for it. That makes it affordable for everyone, take from one and give to the other,...share the wealth and all that crap. So Obama was right, you can keep your doctor and your insurance if you pay double so he can pay for them. Pretty neat huh ?

Weird.. I just signed up for tufts hmo with no deductible for $459 a month. Maybe its your state that has the issue. Im in Mass and we've had mandatory health care for years

desert dude said:

Surprise!

http://www.wsj.com/articles/we-were-promised-affordable-care-letters-to-the-editor-1418934771
Millions of self-employed people like me are finding out what ObamaCare really means to them: huge cost increases. In 2014, my wife and I selected a high-deductible plan that was right for us. We no longer needed child or pregnancy coverage and aren’t frequent visitors to doctors. We’ve taken reasonably good care of ourselves over the years by not smoking, eating well (mostly) and committing to regular exercise. We have also been fortunate not to have contracted any serious illnesses.

Our insurance premium for 2015 will rise by 112% from $714 a month to $1,511 a month for essentially the same coverage we had before, with similar deductibles. In addition, our drug costs will double. The total annual increase to us in 2015 will be $11,364.

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premiums have gone up slower with obamacare than they have in decades previous.

the single unattributed, unverified anecdote you cite is completely out of the norm if not made up entirely, like every single obamacare horror story has been so far.

Boatguy said:

Weird.. I just signed up for tufts hmo with no deductible for $459 a month. Maybe its your state that has the issue. Im in Mass and we've had mandatory health care for years

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Send this guy a thank you note. He is paying for you.

The total annual increase to us in 2015 will be $11,364.

UncleBuck said:

premiums have gone up slower with obamacare than they have in decades previous.

the single unattributed, unverified anecdote you cite is completely out of the norm if not made up entirely, like every single obamacare horror story has been so far.

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Obamacare is a disaster.

There's no fucking way the taxpayers can fund our military adequately, AND pay for health care for a bunch of unemployed people. No matter if they deserve it or not.

desert dude said:

Send this guy a thank you note. He is paying for you.

The total annual increase to us in 2015 will be $11,364.

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save your spam for elsewhere, desert douche.

obamacare has slowed the rise in health care costs. this is undisputable fact.

Kolchak420 said:

Obamacare is a disaster.

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that must be why 59% of people want to keep it and health care costs and premiums are growing slower now than they have in decades.

loser.

UncleBuck said:

that must be why 59% of people want to keep it and health care costs and premiums are growing slower now than they have in decades.

loser.

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Not according to my doctor, my wife's doctor, etc.

Kolchak420 said:

Not according to my doctor, my wife's doctor, etc.

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your anecdotes are as worthless as your latest sock puppet account, murdoch.

premiums rose 131% in the 10 years before obamacare.

they rose about 4% the last two years.

http://www.consumerwatchdog.org/story/health-care-premiums-rise-5-year-increase-131-decade

that's why obamacare is costing way less than was projected and insuring way more people than projected.

obamacare is a wild success and you are a flailing basket of failure like the racist spammer who started this POS thread.

If you're going to blame anyone it should be the healthcare system as a whole. Unnecessary treatments, over treatments, over medicating etc are more to blame than anything. I suppose hospitals could give up the practice of not refusing to care for the uninsured to keep your costs low.

UncleBuck said:

your anecdotes are as worthless as your latest sock puppet account, murdoch.

premiums rose 131% in the 10 years before obamacare.

they rose about 4% the last two years.

http://www.consumerwatchdog.org/story/health-care-premiums-rise-5-year-increase-131-decade

that's why obamacare is costing way less than was projected and insuring way more people than projected.

obamacare is a wild success and you are a flailing basket of failure like the racist spammer who started this POS thread.

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Obamacare will, thankfully, be defunded or simply overturned in due time...when our national debt triples, and we can no longer mortgage our great great great grand childrens' future to give a bunch of fucking freeloaders healthcare.

Boatguy said:

If you're going to blame anyone it should be the healthcare system as a whole. Unnecessary treatments, over treatments, over medicating etc are more to blame than anything. I suppose hospitals could give up the practice of not refusing to care for the uninsured to keep your costs low.

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Those are all excellent points. Hospitals have no say in the matter, they are mandated by law to treat anybody who walks in the door, and they have been under this mandate for many years.

It is simple arithmetic: When 30 million uninsured/under insured people are suddenly insured then those who carried insurance are going to have to pay for them, hence the 112% rate increase.

desert dude said:

When 30 million uninsured/under insured people are suddenly insured then those who carried insurance are going to have to pay for them, hence the 112% rate increase.

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premiums actually rose at about 4%, not 112%.

you propagandizing worthless spambot.

desert dude said:

Those are all excellent points. Hospitals have no say in the matter, they are mandated by law to treat anybody who walks in the door, and they have been under this mandate for many years.

It is simple arithmetic: When 30 million uninsured/under insured people are suddenly insured then those who carried insurance are going to have to pay for them, hence the 112% rate increase.

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You were already paying for them. The cost of healthcare is directly related to the cost of the uninsured, just like before the AHCA. Nothing has changed besides making it mandatory to have healthcare. It is still cheaper to pay the fine if you want to go that way.

UncleBuck said:

that must be why 59% of people want to keep it and health care costs and premiums are growing slower now than they have in decades.

loser.

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So why is that a surprise when almost 50% paid no federal income tax in 2010?

Keep it in perspective.

Boatguy said:

You were already paying for them. The cost of healthcare is directly related to the cost of the uninsured, just like before the AHCA. Nothing has changed besides making it mandatory to have healthcare. It is still cheaper to pay the fine if you want to go that way.

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Everything you have said is talking points.

When this whole thing started they said it wouldnt cost a dime. Then the dime suddenly went to half a trillion. Now the *COST* is over 800 million closing on a cool trillion dollars.

That doesnt include the massive increases in deductibles, rates, reduction in services, etc...

Obama said if you liked your doctor you could keep your doctor. He was talking to government workers and the rich.

Obama said if you liked your plan you could keep your plan. That didnt even apply to the rich, he was only talking to government workers when he said that.

Obama said it wouldnt cost a dime. Yep, he is on a different plan, it wont cost him or any other government workers a dime. The rich and middle class have to pay that bill...

Obamacare is a pile of socialistic crap designed to move money from the middle class to the poor. The rich are going to opt out.

P.S. The employer mandate has not even kicked in yet and the fines rise exponentially in later years.

NLXSK1 said:

When this whole thing started they said it wouldnt cost a dime.

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not even close to true.

NLXSK1 said:

Then the dime suddenly went to half a trillion. Now the *COST* is over 800 million closing on a cool trillion dollars.

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not even close to true.

obamacare is costing less than expected.

NLXSK1 said:

That doesnt include the massive increases in deductibles, rates, reduction in services, etc...

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not even close to true.

health care costs have been steady and premiums are going up slower than they have been since we started measuring 50 years ago.

NLXSK1 said:

Obamacare is a pile of socialistic crap designed to move money from the middle class to the poor. The rich are going to opt out.

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not even close to true.

the heritage foundation does not dream up socialist ideas, and no rich person is going to forgo health insurance and leave their entire wealth at risk.

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P.S. The employer mandate has not even kicked in yet and the fines rise exponentially in later years.

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you clearly don't know what exponential means.

not a single thing you said was even remotely close to true and you are literally retarded.

god1 said:

So why is that a surprise when almost 50% paid no federal income tax in 2010?

Keep it in perspective.

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so are you idiots switching from "no one likes it!!!!" to "most people may like it but..." now?

smooth.

no one saw that coming, except for all of us who did. see the predictions of @ChesusRice during the 2012 elections.

now that people are seeing obamacare, they love it. you'll never get rid of it.