Discussion in 'Nutrients' started by davemoney, Nov 1, 2009.
What is better? and have you used both?
I perfer the botainicare organic. I heard rave reviews about foxfarm, used it to the "t" and saw a 29% decrease! The best is to find exactly what that particular straind wants. Much like children, each one prefers different foods, and will get pissed if they don't get what they want. Anytime I switch to a new straind I will try multiple methods of feeding on different clones to find the perfect solution for that one. KEEP A LOG AND PICS This is huge!!! I find myself going back to logs from 10 years ago to obtain information. That being said, if you are dedicated to picking just one or the other, I would choose AN, especially if you are an aqua user.
cutting edge seems to be better than both imo...
check this link/thread.... its fox farm vs. cutting edge solutions vs. advanced nutrients....
The best approach is to find out the NPK and micro values/ratio. If you don't know that, you'll never become a master gardener.
If you really analyze the "cannabis specific" foods, you'll realize that most of them are crap, designed to empty the pockets of primarily noobs or the unsophisticated grower, their primary targets.
Yes! So many people think that if you simply look at a label and it says it's good for growing, that it's good for ALL types of growing. Sure, that sort of makes sense, but then when you think about it, not really.
For example, you don't use the same medications for kids that you might use on adults, would you? Nope. Those medications are too strong. And some plant nutes are just too strong for some plants than they are for others.
All plants need different things, so it's ESSENTIAL to learn about the NPK values of the nutes you're using and what this actually means. While it is easier to just throw a bunch of nutes on some plants and hope for the best (admit it, we've all done it), that doesn't really work in the long run. Actually, when you don't take the time to research nutes, you will probably end up using things that don't work, wasting money in the process.
If I have to choose between Foxfarm and Advanced Nutrients, I go with Advanced Nutrients. For me, they seem to work the best. But I've heard other growers ooh and aah about FF. Whatever your plant wants, that's what you need to get.
a lot of products today have unlisted flowering regulating hormones......... they are doing the magic, not the NPK...
its the same with root promoting products.... Roots Exelurator doesnt work well because the NPK... it works well because of the unlisted ingredients. These days there are a lot of products like this and just simply checking the Guaranteed Analysis is becoming a oldschool outdated way of deciding which nutes to buy.
I dont think AN makes the best products and i believe they are totally over priced but i wouldnt go using $5.00 miracle grow either...
i've used both fox farms and advanced, i know that advanced kicked the ass off of fox farm. i have even done side by side comparison using sour diesel in a sea of green. the advanced products had bigger denser flowers with a closer flowerset than the fox farms.
i currently use a mix of products other than advanced. but i still use sensigrow and sensibloom as my base nutes. i think they are by far the best.
yea, i think fox farm is kinda falling out of the winners loop these days and im sure it depends if you use there additives or not.
Is that right?
Yeah, it's the "trade secrets."
"Old school" is for horticulturists. Hype is for fools.
What's in your pocket?
Then you need to check out my gardens. What do yours look like?
yes that is correct... check into it.
i dont buy into hype... i dont use AN... i do research, i also do my own side by side tests and i attend the trade shows, talk to nutrient company owners, i read, read and read some more... I also attend a horticulture trade school, and i have been a state lic. landscape contractor working with plants for the last 14 years..... so i think i know a little about plants and nutrients... especially these plants.
just because you can grow big buds with miracle grow doesnt mean its good tasting bud... those cheap nutes are usually high in urea based nitrogen which is almost impossible to leach from the plant before harvest...... urea taste like piss.... thats just my first complaint... but if you like it then rock it bro!
if you think a plant cannot benefit from anything but the NPK and secondary nutrients then you are simply wrong.
and my gardens are doing just amazing...
but i dont need to drive the big truck to show off to everyone... because i know i have the bigger penis...
people that actually have something real dont post it on the world wide web...
Sounds like we have something in common.
Doesn't mean it isn't good tasting bud either. I have many brands of plant foods, it's their analysis, purity and value that count, not some half naked chick on a website designed to attract kids with dreams because their products don't measure up in the real world of botany and they need all the ad crutches they can muster up. I buy 25 lb. bags of the highest quality salts, super soluble plant food, for $19 delivered that will run circles around the crap and hype that AN sells, at a fraction of the cost.
Urea tastes like what? lol Urea, a safe source of N, is converted into salts before uptake by microbial activity or ion exchanges within the plant cells. That's about as lame as the unfounded mantra that chlorophyll tastes like crap. Folks don't have a clue what happens to either when processed under certain conditions. Nothing more than feelings, not facts. Know the difference.
In the end, it's the salts that matter.
Did I ever tell that dat thang I am hiding behind in my avatar was so big and <cough> ROCK HARD!
right on ben, im open to learning new things when i can... i got respect 4 u, i just dont completely agree with everything... its all good, we do agree on a lot still, your just a little more extreme than i am.
"Folks don't have a clue what happens to either when processed under certain conditions". ... Intresting.... Honestly, I would like to know more... what "certain conditions" and what does happen?
"Doesn't mean it isn't good tasting bud either. I have many brands of plant foods, it's their analysis, purity and value that count, not some half naked chick on a website designed to attract kids with dreams because their products don't measure up in the real world of botany and they need all the ad crutches they can muster up. I buy 25 lb. bags of the highest quality salts, super soluble plant food, for $19 delivered that will run circles around the crap and hype that AN sells, at a fraction of the cost."
What is the name of the soil you are talking about? Thanks
im certain that advanced nutrients works really really good. wether anyone likes it or not.
I do my own blend starting with commercial potting soils.
I've personally used both foxfarm and AN. I used the whole foxfarm line including the synthetics open sesame, beastie bloomz, and cha ching. IMO they work fine especially for beginning growers. After about a year I've moved on to AN sensi blooom, big bud, b-52,voodoo juice and have to say its way better than foxfarm. Its a lot pricier but definatly worth it. Invest the money into ur crop and it will pay itself when you harvest. If ur strapped on cash go with foxfarm. I've pulled 1.7 lbs a light before off of foxfarms line.
is that your complete nutrient line up from advanced? i have been considering trying them out just to decide for myself...
Also, it has always boggled my mind as to why advanced nutrients nutrient challenge never included fox farms.. any thoughts on this?
Yea that's all I'm using fron AN. I'm growing auto strain so don't rally use any grow nutes. I use only superthrive during vegging. Also I'm gonna use molasses for the first time this crop during flower. IMO I think foxfarm wasn't included in the nutrient challenge cause all those other brands are more expensive and more for advanced growers. Just my opinion though.
are you in soil or hydro? i was looking into advanced, and i have been in search the best lineup from advanced for soil.. so far i have done fox farms, dutch master gold, and humbolt and gotten best results with fox farms...
i would really love to see a third party company do an actual scientific double blind study on all of the major nutrient companies with marijuana, just to finally bring peace to the arguing and provide actual scientific results... the challenge advanced did seems to biased based on the fact that they did it themselves and their video seemed more persuasive/promotional than anything.. i mean, im sure advanced nutrients work great but i just have a hard time believing they are the answer to my prayers ya know?
You should. Based on a quick look at your journal, you've got some serious leaf chlorosis and yellowing. A food with a higher amount of N would fix it. Problem is, most of the food vendors you're using do not understand the function of N as reflected by the makeup of their products, or don't care.
You're wasting your time and money. It will have no beneficial effect during veg. Superthrive for starts can and will work against you, it is a synthetic hormone and Vitamin B1 that is meant to induce root cell division and elongation. It should be used only as a root drench at no more than 10 drops per gallon.
Advanced growers do not use cannabis specific foods like AN. They understand the function of the 16 essential elements. They buy high quality foods, not glamorized snake oils. If it sounds too good to be true, watch out.
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