Advanced Nutrients: Is it Worth it?

I purchased Sensi Grow A n B, Rhino Skin, VooDoo Juice, B52, etc...

first time ever using the advanced nutrients set up. Is it worth the heavy expense during flowering to use all there products like Bud Factor, Big Bud, etc.. that cost over $100 a bottle!

Advanced advice would be greatly appreciated, thanks!

Dude, there are thousands of threads on this matter . Go to google and search : "Site:rollitup.org Advanced Nutrients"

I like Sensi A&B . Works well and is nominal in price. Some swear by Dyno.

Thanks for the advice, I heard you should use half strength what they recommend on the bottle/ nut calender

I use Sensi and BB

Does it work well? YES... Is there nutrients out there that will work just as well for a fraction of the price? YES.. I used sensi a and b for years and it's nice but with all the additives you have to buy to complete the line up, NOPE... But that's just my opinion

I used them all in soil. used the nutrient calculator, every grow indica or sativa or cross hermied. On advise from Uncle Ben I tossed probably more than $500 worth into the garbage and began using Peters Orchid, Grow and Bloom. Costs me about $20 for a 2 year or more supply and no more hermies no more nute burn. Fear of loss is the oldest and probably one of the best marketing ploys there are. If you are a newb start with Peters and after a few grows go from there. cheers

bdonson said:

I used them all in soil. used the nutrient calculator, every grow indica or sativa or cross hermied. On advise from Uncle Ben I tossed probably more than $500 worth into the garbage and began using Peters Orchid, Grow and Bloom. Costs me about $20 for a 2 year or more supply and no more hermies no more nute burn. Fear of loss is the oldest and probably one of the best marketing ploys there are. If you are a newb start with Peters and after a few grows go from there. cheers

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I have never seen a plant food make a lady go hermi??

After trying out advanced full line of nutes I was able to grow some great buds, but
it sure did feel like I was always spending more on nutes every run.

Most recently I switched to dynagrow at a fraction of the price and the product was
as good if not better than the AN stuff. I don't think I'll be going back any time soon.

If you've already got the stuff use it though, it'll still grow great buds. As for flower
boosters, I'd go with the AN Hammerhead and Mother of all Bloom combo for your PK
booster as I've seen and experienced some pretty good results, and not a bad price at
all.

I've heard that Rhino Skin (potassium silicate) and Voodoo Juice are the biggest rip offs they have. Rhino Skin is 0.4% potash derived from potassium silicate. How much did you pay for it?? I'm running a few AN nutes on my run, but i won't touch these 2 items. Like $175 for a cell wall enhancer, and a beneficial microbe juice.
Return em' and go pick up a little jar of Great White and General Hydroponics Rapid Start Root Enhancer. you won't regret it.

If you got the money then do as you please you wont be upset with Advanced Nutrient its a good line just expensive, if you like to pinch your pennies ( which a lot of growers do) then get something cheaper like GH.

In my hydro experience, I have tried Dutch Master, GH, but I had better success with AN. I am not saying AN is the best but it is very convenient for me because I have connects to get them for wholesale price. This is the reason I'm using the whole line. But honestly, I think you can get away with replacing some of their additives for something cheaper at the garden store. I also tried adding Rhino Skin & Senzism in veg and my plants looked better than ever. Again only sharing my experience and if your funds are limited, research the analysis they have on each additives and I'm pretty sure you can replace them with other cheaper brands.

Did you find that rhino skin dropped your ph to waaaay low levels? I'm thinking that it fucked my ph up in my promix and caused lockout..

Im not convinced these boosters do all that much. I am a current AN 3part user, and love the ease and versatility of it. BUT, I did try their BIG BUD and Voodoo Juice at one time. Lets just say I returned the products and bought more of the 3 parts. I like a clean/synthetic tank, so the 2 expensive boosters just pissed me off. Damn, how much crap you gotta dump in a tank? Fukn fighting sludge and all kinds of crap. Not to mention, voodoo is organic. Chlorinated tap water puts a damper on that shit anyhow. Ive never suffered ph problems, aside from ME adding to much down. I just set my 15 gallons at 5.4 and top it off each 3 days and add the tiniest bit of down (1/8 ounce). Sometimes when the ladies are booming and my tanks are older, the ph stays put. Once it drops, salt buildup, time to changeout.

I do use "Bud Ignitor", and have done a side by side comparison. Now, I dont know what is in it. It says on the bottle, but whatever it is, I did notice a small ammount of evidence to back those claims. I may find the same thing cheaper, but since it does what they say, Ill line thier pockets on that. Besides, they DO stand behind the warranty. As for flower enhancers, I dont really use any. Having the base nutes at rockin high levels and then tapering before flower....what else you need to do? I keep overdrive around, but more as a flowering cycle extender. If a few gals are small and the room has a couple weeks cycle left, I use overdrive and it seems to work. I was using final phase, but after I had to chop crop in a blink, some of the ladies were into thier 500ppm flower nutes upon chop. Still yet, no chemical flavor.

For now, Im thinking that keeping it simple and easily monitored is worth way more than a few bloom boosters. AN 3 part as a base, earth juice microblast (every 2 months for the manganese ect..) earth juice meta-k (for chanes from clone to hps, and the veg to flwr), and 'bud Ignitor' at flower change. After a few grows, it was nice to finally settle on just these few. I spend more time training and staring, than mixing and measuring now. Confidence, repetitiveness and simplicity for the win.

Happy growing to ya!

max316420 said:

Did you find that rhino skin dropped your ph to waaaay low levels? I'm thinking that it fucked my ph up in my promix and caused lockout..

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Better do some reading home instead of *thinking*, rhino skin is way alkaline, not acidic and does not lower pH. Its pH is something like 12+. Learn what's actually in stuff and what it does.

I use Dyna-Gro ProTekt, also derived from potassium silicate, 3% potash, 7.8% silicon and a whopping $35/gallon, shipped. A bit less expensive than rhino skin, but lacking the cute name, fancy label and huge price tag. Was that $175 price tag for rhino skin, quoted above, even remotely correct?!

Wet

Yes it works. check out their 3,000 plants constantly growing and you would know what I mean. Its quite a site and they only use their own nutrient regimens.
I saw one of their ph perfect poster grows that had 55 gal root zones and the juiciest 8 ft colas ,about 8 per plant, and their were about 12 55 gal pots on rollers in one room. They also do research videos on the effectiveness of different led spectrums along with customizable nutrient regimens and actual tests to the performances of each product.
they work great. it requires careful regimens and good testing equipment but it works great.

What's not to work? It works and works pretty well for the right plant in the right set up done the right way.. just like everything else. Can't agree with their pricing but that's their deal and the people that use it. I tried it out. It worked but it was too 'busy' for me.. I'm kind of old school and like to fly by the seat of my pants.

If I were you I would stick to the A B, the big bud, overdrive and maybe some carbo load. Get the hang of that before you get all fancy.

i say its totally worth it but thats for everyone to decide for themselfs

whats worth it to u is worth it and no one can say different becuz its personal preference
just try it for urself and dont listen to anyone that tells u what u shoudl think

I like the AN 3part, which is coming out under the name Jungle Juice, and will become much cheaper soon at the stores that sell the stuff. I agree with other that say the regime is busy and many bottles at high prices. I have yet seen a product outperform the Bud Blood although Rambridge has a good blood meal product as well, i forget its name right now. Overdrive rocks and the amino acids in the Big bud is worth it. amino acids are known producers of sap in trees, thus more resin. So pic a base nutrient, and read up on the additives, and there ingredients, you think you might want to use before you buy them. Here's a link to what all the nutrients do.
http://retirees.uwaterloo.ca/~jerry/orchids/nutri.html
Although remember that there are many beneficial products that the plant doesn't NEED. Like molasses or carbs, but do benefit in the growth of the plants, and many more to be discovered ... with time.

Wetdog said:

Better do some reading home instead of *thinking*, rhino skin is way alkaline, not acidic and does not lower pH. Its pH is something like 12+. Learn what's actually in stuff and what it does.

I use Dyna-Gro ProTekt, also derived from potassium silicate, 3% potash, 7.8% silicon and a whopping $35/gallon, shipped. A bit less expensive than rhino skin, but lacking the cute name, fancy label and huge price tag. Was that $175 price tag for rhino skin, quoted above, even remotely correct?!

Wet

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Rhino Skin is been designed to minimize pH changes since it is at a lower pH (9.1) than other commercially available liquid silicates (pH 11.4).

max316420 said:

Rhino Skin is been designed to minimize pH changes since it is at a lower pH (9.1) than other commercially available liquid silicates (pH 11.4).

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LOL, Ok. But I wouldn't call a 9.1 pH, low. 11.4, is that what the others are? I never really knew, thought it was higher than that, but never really paid much attention, not with my soil mix.

Have you ever tried the ProTekt? Good stuff and cheap.

Wet