bigsourD
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That's also based off of reviewing the organic line
Advanced Nutrients Big Bud is it worth it?? ( Indoor soil grower)
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couchlock907
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now here is my question? why,if AVD Nut is so good why would you need 8 different products to do 3 things? and here is another gripe,they say keep EC at such and such keep your ppms at so and so during this stage of flowering !really? fuck all that afer i spend 5oo on food another 2oo on meters fuck that! i'm letting my batteries charge and i;m going to show you what FF ocean forest,happyfrog,alaska humus,earth worm castings ,pro-mix do ,then i brew bat guano either veg or bloom with earthworm poop,and alaska humus half dose of big bloom(that shit burns) 6 teaspoons tiger bloom 2 table spoons of sucant raw sugar abd thats it minus super thrive for transplant from clone to veg. using 5 gallon bags 100 bucks to fill 13 bags (well worth it)green all the way until i flush which inturns my leaves yellow and i use the trio pak beastie cha-ching and open and the reason i said all this is because i DONT EVEN PH MY water no pens meters none of that shit! 2 600w dig lummatek switchable and 1000 lummatek cut every 3 weeks24 plants 42 zips skunk train ! burn1
new guy25
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your right some people may think they need the full range prob got more money than sense though. I'm using (cannas terra flores) all way through flower with Big bud and overdrive as boosters payed about £40 for them all but I dont use much some' so last me agesnow here is my question? why,if AVD Nut is so good why would you need 8 different products to do 3 things? and here is another gripe,they say keep EC at such and such keep your ppms at so and so during this stage of flowering !really? fuck all that afer i spend 5oo on food another 2oo on meters fuck that! i'm letting my batteries charge and i;m going to show you what FF ocean forest,happyfrog,alaska humus,earth worm castings ,pro-mix do ,then i brew bat guano either veg or bloom with earthworm poop,and alaska humus half dose of big bloom(that shit burns) 6 teaspoons tiger bloom 2 table spoons of sucant raw sugar abd thats it minus super thrive for transplant from clone to veg. using 5 gallon bags 100 bucks to fill 13 bags (well worth it)green all the way until i flush which inturns my leaves yellow and i use the trio pak beastie cha-ching and open and the reason i said all this is because i DONT EVEN PH MY water no pens meters none of that shit! 2 600w dig lummatek switchable and 1000 lummatek cut every 3 weeks24 plants 42 zips skunk train ! burn1
bigsourD
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I was talking about Humboldt Nutrients not Humboldt County Nutrients. Two different companies. But answer me this, why are they so awesome?
hugetom80s
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The short answer is that you don't need all that stuff. And I have NEVER heard anyone that actually works for AN say you do. Sure, the hydro shop guys will try to sell me a bottle of every damn thing in the store if I act like I've got money, but that's apples and oranges.now here is my question? why,if AVD Nut is so good why would you need 8 different products to do 3 things? and here is another gripe,they say keep EC at such and such keep your ppms at so and so during this stage of flowering !really? fuck all that afer i spend 5oo on food another 2oo on meters fuck that! i'm letting my batteries charge and i;m going to show you what FF ocean forest,happyfrog,alaska humus,earth worm castings ,pro-mix do ,then i brew bat guano either veg or bloom with earthworm poop,and alaska humus half dose of big bloom(that shit burns) 6 teaspoons tiger bloom 2 table spoons of sucant raw sugar abd thats it minus super thrive for transplant from clone to veg. using 5 gallon bags 100 bucks to fill 13 bags (well worth it)green all the way until i flush which inturns my leaves yellow and i use the trio pak beastie cha-ching and open and the reason i said all this is because i DONT EVEN PH MY water no pens meters none of that shit! 2 600w dig lummatek switchable and 1000 lummatek cut every 3 weeks24 plants 42 zips skunk train ! burn1
The AN guys will try to upsell too, but they seem more like they want me to get some awesome bud, get excited, and come back for more which I'm totally cool with. It's not like "dude you gotta have the whole line" but more like "dude, you'll like this stuff but you gotta see what the whole line does."
A little different, but an important difference.
I've run strictly the AN base nutes before (first grow with them) and there was nothing wrong with that grow at all. No deficiencies, nothing. A perfectly respectable grow. My last grow was base nutes plus a few additives. I roughly doubled the yield I got off the first grow in this last one.
streets
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damn i actually read about 9 pages of this... looking for relevant information pertaining to which nutrient has been tested side by side and had any conclusive results... what a fucking waste of time... thanks for nothing GET A LIFE
but either way i 1st pic is fox farm, 2nd is an.... this was from my first grow a year ago...i didnt notice much weight difference... but i stuck with fox farm and now im pulling 4oz per plant with 4 plants under each 600... im not an expert grower, i learn from experience and dont take much advice i get from this site because people like acting like douches rather than give FACTUAL advice, i try and ask questions, but always get shifty answers
but either way i 1st pic is fox farm, 2nd is an.... this was from my first grow a year ago...i didnt notice much weight difference... but i stuck with fox farm and now im pulling 4oz per plant with 4 plants under each 600... im not an expert grower, i learn from experience and dont take much advice i get from this site because people like acting like douches rather than give FACTUAL advice, i try and ask questions, but always get shifty answers
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JackBaneNapier
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lick my butthole
Lawlessness
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what do you use?
bigsourD
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Botanicare Pureblend Pro, can't say enough about botanicare.
LearyRed
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I love these Advanced Nutrients threads.
"Having reached 17 years of age, with no prior experience, and no knowledge of botany or agriculture, I have determined AN is the best product there is!"
BigBud with AMINO ACIDS! But they're missing out on the essential vitamin P for plants, and the kryptonite! Mine has added Kryptonite to keep Superman the fuck away!
Fuck you Superman, my buds!
Now BigBud, which is probably monopotassium phosphate, contains no amino acids, I can say that with certainty.
But bla bla bla, how do you know, do you work for AN? Nope, but I've read out a few different analytic reports on their products, and how the NPK ratio is never right on, and their starting mixes are contaminated with heavy metals, so they can pay less for their materials, and charge you more! So if they're already lying about normal things, surely the crazy crap they're advertising is all made up to.
If you think this sounds unlikely, it's time for you to learn chemistry, and business!
I'd personally just go with some monopotassium phosphate. Add in some Potassium Sulphate and you already have their old hammerhead product.
The point is, BOTANY, has been around longer than AN, and more companies than just AN make fertilizer and research plants. Where's Miracle Gros AMINO ACIDS PLUS! line? It doesn't exist, because amino acids don't help. Hell any claim made by AN, go check around for a competitor offering the same bullshit, you won't find it. Why? Not because its new and revolutionary, but because it's a fantasy pulled out of their ass on the spot by their website marketing division.
If you want to max out your plants growth rate, and full potential, pay attention to botany, and real science.
Basically, soil mix (or soilless), PH of mix and water added, exact elements added, not "big bud" but calcium nitrate, monopotassium phosphate, Iron Chelate, etc. watts per foot, capping out at 80w a square foot for max growth rates. Air temperature, air filtration, humidity, and CO2 injection.
CO2 Injection, 80w/sqfoot, 24 hour vegging light cycle, and hydroponic or soil. These are your main ways to speed up growth. The only way to max growth after this, is to specifically add in any nutrients that you can visually see the plants short on. Or mix up your own batch so you know it won't be short.
"Having reached 17 years of age, with no prior experience, and no knowledge of botany or agriculture, I have determined AN is the best product there is!"
BigBud with AMINO ACIDS! But they're missing out on the essential vitamin P for plants, and the kryptonite! Mine has added Kryptonite to keep Superman the fuck away!
Fuck you Superman, my buds!
Now BigBud, which is probably monopotassium phosphate, contains no amino acids, I can say that with certainty.
But bla bla bla, how do you know, do you work for AN? Nope, but I've read out a few different analytic reports on their products, and how the NPK ratio is never right on, and their starting mixes are contaminated with heavy metals, so they can pay less for their materials, and charge you more! So if they're already lying about normal things, surely the crazy crap they're advertising is all made up to.
If you think this sounds unlikely, it's time for you to learn chemistry, and business!
I'd personally just go with some monopotassium phosphate. Add in some Potassium Sulphate and you already have their old hammerhead product.
The point is, BOTANY, has been around longer than AN, and more companies than just AN make fertilizer and research plants. Where's Miracle Gros AMINO ACIDS PLUS! line? It doesn't exist, because amino acids don't help. Hell any claim made by AN, go check around for a competitor offering the same bullshit, you won't find it. Why? Not because its new and revolutionary, but because it's a fantasy pulled out of their ass on the spot by their website marketing division.
If you want to max out your plants growth rate, and full potential, pay attention to botany, and real science.
Basically, soil mix (or soilless), PH of mix and water added, exact elements added, not "big bud" but calcium nitrate, monopotassium phosphate, Iron Chelate, etc. watts per foot, capping out at 80w a square foot for max growth rates. Air temperature, air filtration, humidity, and CO2 injection.
CO2 Injection, 80w/sqfoot, 24 hour vegging light cycle, and hydroponic or soil. These are your main ways to speed up growth. The only way to max growth after this, is to specifically add in any nutrients that you can visually see the plants short on. Or mix up your own batch so you know it won't be short.
Wait, so you're saying that because a big company focused on mass-producing a cheap fertilizer doesn't include a certain ingredient in their one-size-fits-all product, that this is somehow proof that the ingredient isn't beneficial? That's BS.
All that's proof of is that the ingredient probably pushes the price point of their fertilizer above what the average person is willing to spend to grow their zinnias or whatever.
Botany HAS been around for a very long time, but that's a stupid argument to make. Every science has been around a lot longer than many of the concepts we currently take for granted. Astronomers once believed the sun went around the Earth. The fact that botany existed prior to a certain product on a shelf doesn't mean that if that product uses a newer formula that it's not supported by science. Hell, hydroponics itself was once thought to be impossible. It was discovered, forgotten, and rediscovered.
The idea that we know more about plants than we don't know is pure arrogance. We've only begun to grasp the big picture and realize just how much left there is to learn. Scientists study the human body with many times more effort than they study plants, and we're still finding ways to push the boundaries of human potential every year.
To dismiss anything as BS simply because that's not what we used to "know" or think is ignorant. Let's be clear I'm not saying that every new idea is a good one, but that we have to be open to new ideas or we never learn anything.
All that's proof of is that the ingredient probably pushes the price point of their fertilizer above what the average person is willing to spend to grow their zinnias or whatever.
Botany HAS been around for a very long time, but that's a stupid argument to make. Every science has been around a lot longer than many of the concepts we currently take for granted. Astronomers once believed the sun went around the Earth. The fact that botany existed prior to a certain product on a shelf doesn't mean that if that product uses a newer formula that it's not supported by science. Hell, hydroponics itself was once thought to be impossible. It was discovered, forgotten, and rediscovered.
The idea that we know more about plants than we don't know is pure arrogance. We've only begun to grasp the big picture and realize just how much left there is to learn. Scientists study the human body with many times more effort than they study plants, and we're still finding ways to push the boundaries of human potential every year.
To dismiss anything as BS simply because that's not what we used to "know" or think is ignorant. Let's be clear I'm not saying that every new idea is a good one, but that we have to be open to new ideas or we never learn anything.
Sir.Ganga
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I feel Big Bud is good product if used correctlynow here is my question? why,if AVD Nut is so good why would you need 8 different products to do 3 things? and here is another gripe,they say keep EC at such and such keep your ppms at so and so during this stage of flowering !really? fuck all that afer i spend 5oo on food another 2oo on meters fuck that! i'm letting my batteries charge and i;m going to show you what FF ocean forest,happyfrog,alaska humus,earth worm castings ,pro-mix do ,then i brew bat guano either veg or bloom with earthworm poop,and alaska humus half dose of big bloom(that shit burns) 6 teaspoons tiger bloom 2 table spoons of sucant raw sugar abd thats it minus super thrive for transplant from clone to veg. using 5 gallon bags 100 bucks to fill 13 bags (well worth it)green all the way until i flush which inturns my leaves yellow and i use the trio pak beastie cha-ching and open and the reason i said all this is because i DONT EVEN PH MY water no pens meters none of that shit! 2 600w dig lummatek switchable and 1000 lummatek cut every 3 weeks24 plants 42 zips skunk train ! burn1
You answered your own first question with your last statement! IMO 42 zips off 24 plants doesn't even pay the power bill? Your running 2200 watts and producing 1100 grams and your on here bad mouthing AN?
I produce 50 zips on 3 plants under 3 600watters. You do the math.
The burn is on you my friend.
That's the key, isn't it? You can use a hammer to hammer in nails all day long but if you're holding it by the wrong end you're going to think that hammers suck at their job.
I wonder how many haters out there were simply using the tools wrong and came to the false conclusion that the tools didn't work...
I couldn't think of a nice way of saying this... saved me the trouble.
topshelf128
Member
I'v heard loads of people say its very good and read it an watched it in vids.
Is it really one of the best on the market?
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TonightYou
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I always enjoy these silly threads. AN is a waste of one's money. The product line is out of whack as well as over priced. Think about it, the single most prominent ingredient is water in all those fancy labeled bottles. Pick up some salts and while ones at it, a book on botany. Do people really believe they have "scientists" working for them? And if they are do revolutionary, where are their amazing publications in peer reviewed journals? Why aren't more companies particularly established ones following their lead? Sure other companies pop up everyday mimicking the nonsense AN produces as they know it makes money off the naive and ignorant.
Give one's plants a balanced product. There should be no need to have everything separated into a bunch of additives and other such nonsense.
I first started on Fox Farms, which while I don't hold it to the same intellectual crimes as AN, it really is not much different. Imbalanced ratios, mostly water, pretty marketing and at the end of the day expensive.
One tub of Jacks is all ya need. Or two if you like to change things up during flowering as I've done, as I really like their citrus but I am waiting for the giant tub of Classics to be empty after using it for well over a year and a half or more. No deficiencies, no imbalances and no problems. Other companies also are respectable as well but stop paying the mark up, go spend that money on a botany book instead.
Give one's plants a balanced product. There should be no need to have everything separated into a bunch of additives and other such nonsense.
I first started on Fox Farms, which while I don't hold it to the same intellectual crimes as AN, it really is not much different. Imbalanced ratios, mostly water, pretty marketing and at the end of the day expensive.
One tub of Jacks is all ya need. Or two if you like to change things up during flowering as I've done, as I really like their citrus but I am waiting for the giant tub of Classics to be empty after using it for well over a year and a half or more. No deficiencies, no imbalances and no problems. Other companies also are respectable as well but stop paying the mark up, go spend that money on a botany book instead.
homebrewer
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The single most prominent ingredient in ANY liquid food is the liquid of course. Some are just more expensive than others but that doesn't make them all a sham. Plus, mixing your own raw salts is a difficult task even for an experienced grower. Do you really think a beginner who knows jack squat about growing can somehow come up with a raw salt fertilizer recipe AND use it correctly?
Flagg420
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beginner? dirt? big bud?
I'd say yes.
Most of AN's line is over hyped over priced water (I use it, i am allowed to trash talk it) but the big bud is a standout product that others will use even when they have moved away from the AN line.
Dont fall for the finishing stuff, or the 3-4 different bottles for root bennies, just add a good scoop of earthworm castings to your soil, and when vegging w/ those EWCs in there, add a small splash of black strap molasses to the water (avoids ever buying bud candy too)
I'd say yes.
Most of AN's line is over hyped over priced water (I use it, i am allowed to trash talk it) but the big bud is a standout product that others will use even when they have moved away from the AN line.
Dont fall for the finishing stuff, or the 3-4 different bottles for root bennies, just add a good scoop of earthworm castings to your soil, and when vegging w/ those EWCs in there, add a small splash of black strap molasses to the water (avoids ever buying bud candy too)
TonightYou
Well-Known Member
No I agree with you. I'd feel confident enough at this point to do it, but certainly wouldn't when I began. When I had a crop garden we rarely had to add additional fertilizer because of the compost we ran, had a few bags of raw nutrients but rarely had to use them, unless a particular plant was showing deficiencies.
I get that it should be concentrated. But personally using premixed salts I could never go back to liquids again. So much cheaper and far easier, plus I've only had one problem and that was with calcium for strains running past 10 weeks, an easy fix with just amending my soil mix.
Eta: if people can't even get bottled nutrients right, I agree they wouldn't be able to figure out raw salts.