A tribute to Uncle Ben and the Almighty Leaf

Ya know....this would be an interesting conversation if you two would actually stop calling each other names and stick with the subject at hand. I'm actually willing to bet that if you two met at a bar, you would soon be drinking buddies.

Enough of this "my dick is bigger than your dick" shit.

So....what is the right amount of N to give during flowering?

I've been using Jack's Classic. Someone did the math for me, and I believe I'm feeding 1-3-1.

i dont think im better or "bigger",

i know im a novice

im expressing that others have knowledge that is relevant . . .and UB's doctrine is to discredit(use sophistry and word defamation) and belittle, just as he did the second i posted my study . . . .and then goes on to belittle my accomplishments . . .go ahead find all the mean things i said to him and re read . . . .im defending . . . . .and deflecting back to him . . . .in the world of perception aka online persona . .i could give two shits wither im liked loved, or respected . . my work speaks for itself . . .and in the premise of a conversation / discussion my experience is as relevant as any . . . . i add to and get slapped so i react . . its life . . . .get used to it, we are not all passive aggressive


but please proceed . . . with the one sided point of view that lies to you . . intentionally

Situation420 said:

LMAO ok bro, not true, and it also depends on what the corn is being grown for and what type of corn is being grown. Did you forget the obvious point that a 6 year old can point out that the corn you buy at the supermarket is still green. It is harvested that way so it ripens on the way to market ensuring quality and freshness is maintained and the plant cells are still continuing their basic metabolic cycles so by the time it hits shelves it is at its peak ripeness.

Or were you unable to find that in your google search as usual. C'mon alex you're a google whore and copy and paste your arguments right from the internet word for word and I've cited you on this before. Just let it go bro and don't chime in when you don't have any knowledge on a subject, why do you think no one liked your post? Because it is blatantly wrong.

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Pretty much only sweet corn is picked green.
The corn for fuel, grain(both human and animal consumption), and many other uses like alcohol, the farmers just let it dry on the stalk. Lived in the midwest for 20+ years and never see them cut ANY corn before it is all yellow and dried because if the corn is not dry when cut farmers actually have to pay to have it dried. I have no idea what percentage of corn is grown for "corn of the cob" and canned corn, but I'd guess less than 10% with 90% of corn grown for industrial uses(cereal,alcohol, etc) and animal feed. I'm not agreeing totally with Alex ST, but there is more corn harvested already dry on the stalk. And it is shit most of us eat daily: cornmeal, high fructose corn syrup, Captin Crunch and other cereals, alcohol, and others with no real nutritional benefit.

Enough to ward off premature yellowing

Samwell Seed Well said:

i dont think im better or "bigger",

i know im a novice

im expressing that others have knowledge that is relevent . . .and UB's doctrine is to discredit(use sophistry and word defamation) and belittle, just as he did the second i posted my study . . . .and then goes on to belittle my accomplishments . . .go ahead find all the mean things i said to him and re read . . . .im defending . . . . .and deflecting back to him . . . .in the world of perception aka online persona . .i could give two shits wither im likes loved, or respected . . my work speaks for itself . . .and in the premise of a conversation / discussion my experience is as relivent as any . . . . i add to and get slapped so i react . . its life . . . .get used to it, we are not all passive aggressive


but please proceed . . . with the one sided point of view that lies to you

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I (and I'm guessing many others) don't care who started the name-calling. We are on here for good reliable information. I've had good luck with UB's suggestions, but I don't feel that one person knows everything.

lilroach said:

So....what is the right amount of N to give during flowering?

I've been using Jack's Classic. Someone did the math for me, and I believe I'm feeding 1-3-1.

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i use basically a 1.5-1-2 formula . . . . , but i also use organics that work around 2-3-1

i stop using both my base and my organic teas

around 2 weeks before harvest for the che lated base

and 5-7 weeks for the teas (if i feed properly in veg i dont need to re inoculate the soil every week in flower) i dont call it flushing . . .

because i never leach any water out, i just continue to feed as normal . . .

plus i use budswell and trinity to feed the bennies and

increase brix and flavanoids (imho), untill plant is mature(calyx swollen, hairs receded, fades increasing, thc glad maturity)


so short answer, i stop feeding N beyond base levels after 3-5 weeks into flower

obviously you need most of the macro/micro nutrients throughout flower, which is why i keep my base A, B Canna nutrients as long as possible . . .

Dboi87 said:

Enough to ward off premature yellowing

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every plant will be different . . . my High Def a hawiianbigbud x dutch treat is a sativa dom takes ten weeks . . . hates N curls in week 2 if i dont drop her N to min amounts right away . . . other strains . . . love more N . . . . but as a general rule it is easier to add then to remove . . so i start low and see what a plant will do before i typecast my feeding program to them

i test strains more then i run the same over and over so, i have had to put a new and less acute nutrient recipes to work for a broader range of needs

There's no magical number or ratio. The aim is to just ward off deficiency. Better to undershoot and correct than to overshoot and bite the Bullet

Thank you for the info. I like what Jack's has done for my buds, and it would seem that 1-3-1 is a good start. I keep an eye on my (dare I say it) leaves as to the health of the plant overall. Someone suggested bone-meal sprinkled on the top of the soil when going into 12/12. Any thoughts on that practice?

Uncle Ben said:

Weak, skinny stems....a genetic phenotype thing. Has nothing to do with N during flowering. Where did you read that, here at RIU?

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Nah, it's a using to much nitrogen in flower thing. Trial and error is the real test, no need to read things you experience for yourself. But that information has been in Rosenthal's and Cervantes's books, I've read it in the Kyle kushman viewer reader questions and answers. Many reputable authors suggest lower nitrogen during flower.

And I'd like to set the record straight. . . .UB is a knowledgeable guy . . .I should take more time to achknoledge what he's does well as much as what I have issue with . .. . . His topping technique . . .. a great tool . . .I think lst is better but for the guy who wants to plug and play so to speak, it's a great technique .....

I just take issue with his constant manipulative belittleing of people who don't ride his nuts, I'm not pointing fingers at his fans. . . I just responding to how I was treated . . .


Guy is a good grower and is a saint tbh for putting up with us but I can't take responsibility for his attitude ....it stinks

Uncle Ben said:

Understand that these trolls are not important. RIU has set the standards of this site.

But, it's an issue of power, which I have over them. I own these trolls. They can not let it go.

UB

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Noobs follow you, that's pretty sweet
crown yourself king of noobs

i am still waiting for your updated pictures of a marijuana plant you have grown recently
what is it you are hiding from ?

Uncle Ben said:

He could be playing the blame game here. "I didn't do it, it was the Dyna-Gro!"

UB

UB

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Please understand I have no beef with this plant grown with Dyna except for the stretch. I posted it to exemplify your topping technique as a compliment. Jeez.
No blame game here. I use Foliage-pro to visible flowering to this day ok?

Uncle Ben said:

Same family of clones?

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No ,completely different plant to show I get green too through flower with Sensi. That's all

Uncle Ben said:

Said he used Grow and yes, the fact that the nodes are opposed is very weird. Suggests that it wasn't really ready to flower but then again the foliage is sparse too. Got be the genetics unless he didn't get his other factors down pat - temps, water, veg times. Plant has nice dark healthy leaves.

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What would cause this then if it were not genetics? So If I keep my temps ok and veg longer and use clean water (I R/O BTW) I would have alternating nodes? I still don't know what is so bad about this plant that pulled 3.5 zips out of 5 plants under 600 watts. Do 12/12 from seed growers see opposing nodes as a norm?

I had a Nirvana Bubble plant from seed that did the same thing. I waited and waited for the alternating nodes, nada. I finally switched 12/12 after the sucker was 3 feet tall in veg! Very very bushy.

skunkd0c said:

Noobs follow you, that's pretty sweet
crown yourself king of noobs

i am still waiting for your updated pictures of a marijuana plant you have grown recently
what is it you are hiding from ?

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Really....can't we just stick to the subject and stop this childish stuff?

To Uncle Ben,

As a follower of your growing techniques I admire your knowledge and your willingness to share with others. I've defended you often as trolls have bashed you.

With that said, I've read many of your posts, here and on other threads, and I want to tell you as a friend.....you are often lacking in social graces. I think many more readers would be more open to your suggestions if you were not as abrasive as you come across on a regular basis.

I have a political page where I am moderator and if you think that things can get heated here, you should try to keep the peace on a political page. I have found that if everyone avoids making it personal, discussions are more productive, and those with opposing views often find common ground or even find they agree with "the other side".

So I ask you, and your detractors.....let's not make this personal. We all can learn a lot from you and those that grow differently than you.

Lilroach

lilroach said:

Really....can't we just stick to the subject and stop this childish stuff?

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I am not offended by your comments or insinuations that my request for pictures is "childish" since this is only your opinion
Thanks for sharing your views, your concern has been noted

i request that UB posts some pictures of plants he grow recently
this is a perfectly reasonable request, since this is a growing forum

peace

I will get the show started since some folk seem to be shy

my latest efforts
Nug shots and smoke reports !

Biker Kush
This was my 3rd run of biker kush, on previous runs it was overshadowed by the larger haze plants i was also growing which resulted in biker not being able to fill as much space
this time round she had all the space she needed to develop into a very large bush (23 oz)
this is the best run of biker i have had















the pheno i have kept is very much on the hash side of flavour with a combined
fudge/caramel taste, the smell is sweet and hashy a very full flavour
noticeable on both the inhale and exhale with a good amount of expansion
the smoke from this one is very oily in texture it coats the mouth with flavour
and leaves a sweet after taste it is very moreish
potency is good fast onset not a creeper can at times feel a little confusion of thought
a bit racy at first this settles into a nice warm feeling time becomes quite distorted
a potent hybrid type of potency excellent yield , i can find very little negative to say about this plant
only thing i can think of is in veg it does not grow symmetrical it spits shoots out randomly
up and down the stems, this makes it a little harder to keep very small mother plants
as the bottoms of these plants have no shoots lol just sticks

Taste 9/10
Potency 8/10
Yield 9/10


Fire Alien Kush grown from seed, 21 days veg 9.5 weeks flower yield from both plants was 11 oz combined



















Both FAK phenos produced nuggets rather than colas, although they kept their weight quite well for small plants,
they have both provided a nice smoke, both now tasting lemony and sweet, not so much of a powerful oily expansion as the biker kush, FAK taste thin in comparison
where this one excels is potency
i am finding this one very long lasting 2-3 hours easy from 1 joint
very strong physical rush, nice tingly feeling allover the body
its quite numbing, with less mental stimulation , less edgy than biker kush
i am alert when smoking this
not really coach-lock weed, but after a few joints it will put me to sleep just like biker kush does
this is good weed to chill out with when not much thinking is required

Taste 7/10
Potency 9/10
Yield 6/10


Happy brother bx2 grown from seed 21 days veg 10 weeks flower













you can't win them all !
this strain was overall quite disappointing
i do not know if the phenos i got are a fair representation of the clone only
since i have never sampled it
both phenos of HB bx2 i had were very slow growing and low yielding
both phenos remind me very much of NL crosses but without the great vigiour and yield of NL
the taste the bud structure the bud leaves very much NL but with some sk#1 traits too
the smell and taste is also similar to some of the blues phenos i grew recently
both plants lacked resin compared to most indica doms
The taste is mixed fruit or NL he high is pleasant and light for an indica
this is daytime lady weed or weed for lightweights
it's a fairly nice smoke flavour wise once i get over the disappointment of it not being anything special

Taste 6/10
Potency 5/10
Yield 3/10

final thoughts Biker kush is quite easy still the overall winner for me, and i would highly recommend it
FAK is nice, although the high price of the $eeds and mutated growth patterns make me wonder how many phenos would be needed to select a good all rounder could work out costly

Happy brother is not so happy LOL

Peace

Samwell Seed Well said:

maybe i shoudl take some low quality pictures of bud thats all airy and leafy like yours with flash on to make it seem like my plants have super shiny THC glands and then . .maybe then i can get a wheelbarrow full of leaf to impress you with

notice the nice green lush leafs . .and the multi-tude of completely visible and pote3nt trichs . . . unlike your shimmery plant

you can see my trichs are large and numerous




oh and this is at week 4 of a 8-9 week plant . . . . .i test strains from seed . . . no predetermined knowledge of outcome . . . . and i dont have to lie about my genetics , they speak for themselves

"junlge sativa" fucking epic

if you ever feel like growing out a real sativa i got abuddy with legit sativas . . . his he goes by 4dragons . . .and works closely with

SNOW who is renound for working old school sativas . . vs your heroes Dutch breeders (who most all of the industry regarded as the

worst place to get seeds) and arjan of greenhouse the biggest flavour flav front man who does nothing since . . . the thrid wheel

oh wait he stole all of nice guys original mothers and made his own company with it . . thats right . . .watered down BS

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Oh shittt burn of the year right there