A small list of FOX lies and methods of distortions - for BeenThere.

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beenthere

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canndo said:
I considered not putting this one in. I undestand what you are saying, that we cannot accuse FOX of lying in situations where there may be diffrences of opinion about facts.

I put it in anyway, not for the global warming fact but for the "less trust in scientists" part.

As I said, opinions are based upon facts, it is these facts that FOX lies about.
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beenthere said:
Let me get this straight, you say FOX cannot be accused of lying where there may be differences of opinion about the facts but the opinions you agree with, are facts, therefore FOX lies!

Please explain with no weaselology.
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canndo said:
I said no such thing - I fear that perhaps you scan my words and assume I say things I do not.
In an opinion, facts are mentioned, opinions are opinions of factual items. If an opinion includes such things as "everyone knows that Canndo is a liar", it is presumed that the "everyone knows" is not opinion but shared, agreed upon consensus - or... fact. That is why I posted items from opinion shows.

If an opinion show contained a discussion about a terrorist attack on the Empire State building on 9/10 and offered opinion on this event, it would not be the opinion but the event's time and place that is a lie.
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Really!........
 
desert dude

desert dude

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abandonconflict said:
I been asking, all I get is desert dud saying the list isn't good enough, but listing nothing himself.

8 studies too, faux nooz...
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So far, everything that I have picked from the list has been met with, "well, yeah, OK, I guess that is opinion and not news...", etc. So, instead of me picking an item from the list I have invited Canndo to pick an item so we can ferret out the "inherent lie".

As I said, most of that list is taken from FOX editorial shows, hence the things listed represent the opinions of people like O'Reilly and Hannity. Editorial opinions are not news; surely, even Seedwell and Abandonconflict understand that simple point?
 
Samwell Seed Well

Samwell Seed Well

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desert dude said:
So far, everything that I have picked from the list has been met with, "well, yeah, OK, I guess that is opinion and not news...", etc. So, instead of me picking an item from the list I have invited Canndo to pick an item so we can ferret out the "inherent lie".

As I said, most of that list is taken from FOX editorial shows, hence the things listed represent the opinions of people like O'Reilly and Hannity. Editorial opinions are not news; surely, even Seedwell and Abandonconflict understand that simple point?
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since every show on fox is opinion based why do all of its viewers call it news, sheeple sheeple


does fox even report the news without an opinion being thrown in there . . . .
 
Samwell Seed Well

Samwell Seed Well

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i like to let people pointout my spelling errors if i miss them

it only point out that they are looin gto correct an individual vs listen to them as well as a lot of other things
 
desert dude

desert dude

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OK. Just to be sure I was being fair to Canndo and the original topic I went back and closely examined "the list". Every item listed is from an opinion show, i.e Hannity, Huckaby, O'Reilly, etc.

If you lefties want to disagree with those shows, and their hosts and guests you are certainly free to do so. You are free to sneer at their ignorance and to trot out studies about the intellectual superiority of lefties, and the pathology of right-wing thought, just as I am free to snicker at your state-worshipping idolatry.

What you cannot do, though, is to claim that anything on that list was reported as factual, or as news. In fact, to do so borders on stupidity.

You might claim that all of the war news that Canndo listed from 2003 was a pack of lies, I suppose, but that claim falls flat as well. Every network was reporting the same stuff; it wasn't lies, it was mostly just incoherence and expedience trying to scoop the "other guys". To sharpen my point here, let me say that I am NOT claiming that ABC or any of the other alphabet soup of networks on the left were lying when they reported the exact same stuff, they weren't, they were just babbling on about the same Pentagon press releases that everybody else was "reporting". For you guys to list all that shit as "FOX news lies" makes you look like complete buffoons, and very poor sports to boot.

My challenge to any of you lefties is this: list what you consider an intentional lie on the part of FOX news and let's debate that. Don't bother with the list that Canndo provided because I have already dissected it. I can list at least two intentional and indisputable lies about politically charged topics from the left wing media right off the top of my head. You guys ought to be able to do better than me at show casing right-wing lies, by several orders of magnitude, if your repeated claims about "Faux nooz" are at all credible.
 
canndo

canndo

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desert dude said:
OK. Just to be sure I was being fair to Canndo and the original topic I went back and closely examined "the list". Every item listed is from an opinion show, i.e Hannity, Huckaby, O'Reilly, etc.

If you lefties want to disagree with those shows, and their hosts and guests you are certainly free to do so. You are free to sneer at their ignorance and to trot out studies about the intellectual superiority of lefties, and the pathology of right-wing thought, just as I am free to snicker at your state-worshipping idolatry.

What you cannot do, though, is to claim that anything on that list was reported as factual, or as news. In fact, to do so borders on stupidity.

You might claim that all of the war news that Canndo listed from 2003 was a pack of lies, I suppose, but that claim falls flat as well. Every network was reporting the same stuff; it wasn't lies, it was mostly just incoherence and expedience trying to scoop the "other guys". To sharpen my point here, let me say that I am NOT claiming that ABC or any of the other alphabet soup of networks on the left were lying when they reported the exact same stuff, they weren't, they were just babbling on about the same Pentagon press releases that everybody else was "reporting". For you guys to list all that shit as "FOX news lies" makes you look like complete buffoons, and very poor sports to boot.

My challenge to any of you lefties is this: list what you consider an intentional lie on the part of FOX news and let's debate that. Don't bother with the list that Canndo provided because I have already dissected it. I can list at least two intentional and indisputable lies about politically charged topics from the left wing media right off the top of my head. You guys ought to be able to do better than me at show casing right-wing lies, by several orders of magnitude, if your repeated claims about "Faux nooz" are at all credible.
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Let me say this again, no "opinion" show is pure opinion, it is opinion based upon presented facts. When the presented facts upon which the shows present their opinions are false, then it doesn't matter what the opinions are.


However, I will post much more and we can go over the list that you believe you have rebutted.
 
canndo

canndo

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On a number of Fox News shows on June 12th, 2012 Karl Rove, Steve Doocy, Sean Hannity and Patti Ann Browne overstated and misstated the findings contained within a Federal Reserve Board Survey by claiming that a 38.8 percent drop in the median net worth of Americans had taken place during “the last three years.” (Read: It’s all Obama’s fault)


The Federal Reserve Survey clearly states that the period covered was between 2007 and 2010. certed effort at Fox News to blame the entire drop in net worth on President Obama, when much of it began under President George W. Bush.

You see that it was an "opinion" show but they misrepresented the fact thaht the survey covered years thaht included Bush. That is a lie.













 
canndo

canndo

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drIn other words, there was a conDuring a segment on the Fox News late night program Red Eye, Fox News Contributor (and former Bush White House mouthpiece) Dana Perino made the false claim that ABC’s Diane Sawyer had asked Gov. Mitt Romney about putting his dog Seamus on the roof of his car. “That was her first question,” Perino claimed. “Not how are you going to create jobs? What is going wrong? How will you turn things around? It was why did you let your dog ride on the roof of the car,” she asked breathlessly. Such a claim against a member of the supposed “liberal media,” would continue to advance the notion that news outlets other than Fox News aren’t appropriately taking Romney seriously.


According to a transcript of the interview, the question about Seamus was the 23rd one asked. A variety of serious subjects were asked of Romney before the one about Seamus. (sources: mediaite.com/ and abcnews.com


Again, this was an attempt to misrepresent the intention of the intverviewer in order to show that other news outlets were biased. The FACT was that the question was not the first one asked.



 
desert dude

desert dude

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Sorry, Canndo, but I fail to give a rat's ass about what is said on editorial shows even if they are rooted in lies. Frankly, I have heard the claims of "FOX news is all lies" for years, from left wingers of course, and I have ignored it as the moaning of whiners, never realizing that I have completely misunderstood the lefties all this time.

Thanks to you, I now understand that what the lefties call news is actually the output of editorial shows (Hannity, O'Reilly, etc). You are welcome to call any one of the FOX bloviators any number of disparaging names, and I would often agree with you, but it makes you look stupid to call them liars.

I tried listening to Ed Schultz one time. I admit I could not get through the entire show, it was chock full of lies, uh opinion. Ed Schultz is a horse's ass, but he was not lying about his opinions, those things he said really were his opinions. Rachel Maddow is another beloved left winger who peddles her opinion, most of which I disagree with but it would never enter my mind to call her opinions lies, such a thing would be absurd.

The only examples of lies reported as news that I can think of have come from ABC, NBC, and CNN and not FOX.
 
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