A slight miscalculation...

I thought the math seemed good...
... if 1 oz of primo bud goes with 1 lb of butter then a guy should use 2 ozs of sugar trim and popcorn bud for a pound, right?

But if that trim has already been shook out with dry ice to make hash...how much of that depleted trim should be used in 1 lb of butter?

Well i guessed about 8...and all i had was 3/4 lb of butter...and...

Whoa....

That ratio makes some powerful butter. After the boil i was left with 1/2 lb of butter, just enough for one batch of cookies. Ate one and... like i said...whoa....

Next batch ill go with 6 ozs to a full pound...lol

did you add any lecithin into the butter??

Genki88 said:

did you add any lecithin into the butter??

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No... what does that do?

Suppose to make it more bio-available. I find that when lecithin is added, the edibles have much more of a kick.

I do not find lecithin to help w the high. It does make the high fizzle out quicker though.

Should look up what lecithin is. It's the soy "trash". Most likely not good for you in any way if your male. They put it in all processed food damn near. I would never Intentionally add it to things I make. Just my opinion though. Can get plenty high without it.

Its counterproductive
Not more bioavailable

Now im confused lol.............why would so many cannabutter/oil recipe include some sort or lecithin (sunflower or non gmo soy).
Qwizoking, i know you've explained this somewhere but it didnt get through my thick skull............care to explain once again please?

Sorry for the hijack.......

Im not sure why thats such a prominent myth.
Note this will be some reading

Both thc and butter obviously being highly lipophilic..,,

Wait when you say thick skull, are you wanting the simplest explanation possible?

Back to ^.... both being fat loving or non polar they mix together fine..homogenously.
Theres no reason for an emulsifier
And in fact..


"Hi guys. I'm new and need some help. I've made canna butter and canna oil from canola oil. This is my first attempt with Cocunut oil. I made it in a crockpot I used lecithin and let it cool, then placed it in the freezer. After getting rid of the water and plant material I put it in the pantry in the Cocunut oil container. It seems to have separated again with the top half a dark clear oily liquid and the bottom half a split pea colored oily liquid. Which should I use, or is it ok to stir it up and use it all?"

From like a week ago edit jan 25th
The lecithin pulled in excess water which seperated once the emulsion broke down...





As to why its counterproductive and not just a possible hassle...

Ok read and bare with me. Ive made additons to the quote. What you dont understand ask away but keep reading i may clarify

Essentially both will work, but thc is too non polar to be effectively absorbed and hiding it in a bubble stops you from using your butter as a medium to lower polarity and enhance efficiency

1. qwizokingWell-Known Member
   i have to post this quite often as im asked all the time
   forgive grammar btw and choppy structure. any questions or advice on simplification go for it
   
   "In the pharmaceutical industry, lecithin acts as a wetting, stabilizing agent and a choline enrichment carrier, helps in emulsifications and encapsulation, and is a good dispersing agent. It can be used in manufacture of intravenous fatinfusions and for therapeutic use.
   
   So lecithin
   is an excellent emulsifier. In aqueous solution, its phospholipids can form either liposomes, bilayer sheets, micelles, or lamellarstructures,depending on hydration andtemperature.
   
   A number of different chemical and physical processes and mechanisms can be involved in the process of emulsification
   
   , emulsification takes place by reduction of interfacial tensionbetween two phases
   
   the emulsifying agent creates a film over one phase that forms globules, which repel each other. This repulsive force causes them to remain suspended in the dispersion medium
   
   An appropriate "surface active agent" (or "surfactant") can increase thekinetic stability of an emulsion so that the size of the droplets does not change significantly with time. It is then said to be stable.

Thats essentially what an emulsion is
In the quote you can see how their product seperated..

1. 
   
   
   this is the droplet
   Its attempting to divide the substances. Both being fatty it has trouble but does
   
   
   
   sorry not in an explaining kind ofmood today ^from wiki
   
   
   
   
   
   
   
   now i assume you all know why this is not advantageous. think why we use coconut oil in the first place...or butter lol
   If not check my coconut oil post..
   Given.my bakground i want everything i do to be optimum. Lecithin use will still work
   
   
   You can just eat decarbed thc and get high...but
   we put it in a carrier..a fat... to lower polarity and increase efficiency..
   thc has a logp of about 7
   In practiceoptimum colonic absorption. is 1.32, intestinal is 1.35, oral 1.8, Cns 2, percutaneous at 2.6 and sublingual 5.5.
   very important in roa and pharmacology
   Lauric acid having a log p of about 4.5..and smallest mct having a logp about 1.8...
   
   lauric acid is the star component of coconut oil.
2. 
   
3. hiding thc inside a bubble as pictured is counter productive.
   
   again we want the thc mixed homogenous like in the solution to make use of the carrier and polarity difference.
4. This gives a faster onset and higher bioavailability
   
   
   we use coconut oil only for oral use however as it has a fairly high log p, and is still an mct, which gets taken up differently, important . as well as holding most insolution given longer chain length meaning more non polar
   
   have you read any of my posts on mct and coconut oil?
   
   

From what ive heard a certain cat posted alot of medible teks or tips long ago and theyve stuck..

Theres no reason to use and no advantage... unless you want like a thc salad dressing perhaps

I think I got it now.

So.........when i make gummies, I infuse 1 gram of shatter into 1 tablespoon of coconut oil and add that to the gummy recipe. Would adding lecithin produce a more evenly distributed thc dosage per gummy??

No, as long as its actually dissolved in solution its mixed evenly throughout the medium. The only reason to add an emulsifier is if the two components will not dissolve. Like my salad dressing example.
Think Like sugar water, but if there is sugar on the bottom of your glass.....its not dissolved in. In this case you can aid that absorption or lower concentration..either way its evenly distributed
Dissolve the thc into your oil if you choose, though that may not be necessary to add. Wouldnt hurt..its homogeneous

I dont make gummies or know your recipe but i assume its fairly polar. If you have difficulty keeping it in solution and separating lecithin could be helpful. Add it after youve made the thc oil obviously and it wouldnt really hurt. As the thc is already "bound" to the fairly short chain acids in the oil. Instead of hiding thc in bubbles mixed with the oil. Your hiding thc infused oil bubbles. Different
But
What makes it a gel also acts an emulsifier/stabilizer.. say pectin for example.

I also assume you do this while heated, as long as it stays in solution until its solidified its good to go. If the cooling causes problem and say something falls out of solution you may want to lower concentration. The cooling shouldnt cause seperation. If cooled quick enough you can get compounds evenly distributed with pretty different polarity as it solidifies.


Hope i helped. And didnt confuse

I typically make capsules, sometimes extended release but i dont venture into edibles and gummies. Im more for strict (percieved) professional med use, I have helped people make infused sodas but thats about it. To be clear im not knocking

In simple terms, lecithin acts as a thickener and emulsifier. Think of what happens when you combine oil and water, or oil and vinegar salad dressings. You shake them up, then set the bottle down, and the mixture separates back to it's separate ingredients. If you add lecithin, the mixture will be thicker and stay combined (mixed) better.

Commercial, high volume operations like emulsifiers for more consistent products and 'better' texture. However, if you mix up a batch of cannabutter, then cook with it within a few days or weeks, you don't need to add lecithin. And lecithin will not increase the high.