5 myths about health care around the world

doobnVA said:

94%?? Where'd you get that number? True, the majority of people are insured, but at what price? If 94% of our soldiers fighting in the war were armed, and the other 6% weren't... would that be a large enough majority for you? Or would you rather ALL of them be armed?


According to the U.S. Census Bureau, nearly 46 million Americans, or 18 percent of the population under the age of 65, were without health insurance in 2007.

So, please, show me where you're getting this figure of 94%.

By the way, cancer doesn't care if you eat your veggies and exercise.

You've been to the doctor ONCE in 15 years, and you call that "taking care of yourself"? The Japanese are, overall, much healthier than we are and they visit the doctor 15 time PER YEAR!

So.. where do you think those premiums you're paying are actually going? Since it obviously isn't being spent on YOUR care.

Yeah, that's right. OTHER PEOPLE'S care. If you're under the impression that they're stowing your payments away just in case you ever become ill, you're sorely mistaken.

You're paying for other people's health care while vehemently refusing to pay for other people's health care.

Make any sense?

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The number of fallacies in this post is quite high, you start with a straw man argument, I did not take a position of disarming 6% of the military now did I? Then your next sentence defies all logic and facts to the contrary. Diet is a major component of health, I doubt you will find 1 single doctor on the face of the earth who will say that isn't true.

Then you say that because I do not see the doctor every 3 weeks that I must be in poor health, well Im not in poor health, thats why I don't need to go see the doctor. If we all went every 3 weeks the costs would be 10 times higher than they are now. I don't need a doctor for a broken finger,broken ribs, the flu, a cold nor general every day aches and pains, I don't need to be poked prodded irradiated and interrogated every 21 days either.

I know that my unused premiums are going to help pay for those freeloaders of the system, I KNOW THAT. But what else can i do about it? The laws say you will get treated no matter what so people take advantage of that. Im all for great health care that is affordable and effective, unfortunately the government never makes things affordable nor effective, they have proven this point hundreds of times over hundreds of years.

If Im 80 years old and come up with cancer, i say let me have some morphine and Ill just take care of everything by euthanizing myself. Whats the use when your 80 in trying to prolong your life? EVERYONE AND EVERYTHING EVENTUALLY DIES. Why try to stave off the inevitable, once your dead you won't even care. I hear old people complain all the time how much it sucks to be old, I see how much it sucks when i visit the nursing homes too.

NoDrama said:

If Im 80 years old and come up with cancer, i say let me have some morphine and Ill just take care of everything by euthanizing myself. Whats the use when your 80 in trying to prolong your life? EVERYONE AND EVERYTHING EVENTUALLY DIES. Why try to stave off the inevitable, once your dead you won't even care. I hear old people complain all the time how much it sucks to be old, I see how much it sucks when i visit the nursing homes too.

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No! You can't die man! Live for the weed bro!!

NoDrama said:

Its too expensive is the only problem with our health care. I also refuse to pay for someone elses care, Whats mine is mine and I earned it. If i give it to you , you will never respect it and will just abuse it.

I love how they use Japan as a shining example of health care, but they fail to mention that because of their diet the Japanese already have the lowest incidences of most major diseases. Ever see hundreds of waddling japanese men on the street? Nope. Ever see hundreds of bloated Americans waddling around, sure do, Go to a major beach and I guarantee you will see thousands of fatties. The statistics show that obesity and diet are the #2 killer of Americans, right after Tobacco.

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You are correct sir! Don't worry about the fatties in America though, the obesity police will soon be patrolling the streets with their fat calipers keeping everybody safe from themselves.

im so tired of this debate...


dont you see.....

you people wouldnt recognize socialism / facism if it was taking over your main inustries


OH WAIT IT IS!

you need to wake up and smell the government tyranny

whats AFTER health care huh?

whats the gov going to go after next....

Keenly I would agree with you that the gov't is trying take over the health care system if they were taking anything away from the insurance companies that did not hurt american citizens, like the right to drop coverage for 'pre exsisting conditions'.

But that is not the case, they may lose some customers as a result, but that is a side effect, not the cause of the program.

If the insurance companies wanted to they could have done all this themselves, they still could!

The insurance companies could end all this debate right now by saying 'look we get it, we can't be as greedy as we have been in the past. We will stop dumping patients and work as a industry to get every american citizen adiquate care ourselves, and the government can stand out of the way."

But they don't. The are leaving gaping holes and hoping that the government keeps everything the way it is because they have already figured out how to milk this system, they don't want to have to learn how to milk a totally new system.

So it is not a takeover of the health industry, because this is just trying to fix the holes in it now, and not touch the parts that are actually covered.

hanimmal said:

Keenly I would agree with you that the gov't is trying take over the health care system if they were taking anything away from the insurance companies that did not hurt american citizens, like the right to drop coverage for 'pre exsisting conditions'.

But that is not the case, they may lose some customers as a result, but that is a side effect, not the cause of the program.

If the insurance companies wanted to they could have done all this themselves, they still could!

The insurance companies could end all this debate right now by saying 'look we get it, we can't be as greedy as we have been in the past. We will stop dumping patients and work as a industry to get every american citizen adiquate care ourselves, and the government can stand out of the way."

But they don't. The are leaving gaping holes and hoping that the government keeps everything the way it is because they have already figured out how to milk this system, they don't want to have to learn how to milk a totally new system.

So it is not a takeover of the health industry, because this is just trying to fix the holes in it now, and not touch the parts that are actually covered.

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Amen and + rep.