3.4 lbs per plant ??? BlimBurn BCN Masa Kritica Feminised Seeds

Thundercat

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Well I would only imagine a half way intelligent grower would understand needing to have the lighting correct before putting the plant outside so that it didn't trigger a flowering response or shock it. I don't get to grow outdoors, but anytime I've flowered out one of my mother plants that has been vegging for 6-9 months they always flower very quickly. Maybe thats just indoors.....
 

Thundercat

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The plants DO NOT start to flower the "instant" you control the lights though, it still takes time based on the genetics. So by switching the lights indoors you can signal the plant to transition out of the veg phase and into flower, but its not instant.

My point in all this was that I don't believe there is any reason a plant will take longer to flower just because you vegged it for a period indoors before putting it outside. Obviously I'm assuming the grower knows better then veg under 18-20 hours of light and then stick it out into 12-14 hours and expect it to veg more.
 

crazykiwi420

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He didn't say the plant flower instantly but you can control the light hours instantly...

@ Thundercat
You can learn the lesson the hard way if you want but I'm telling you right now that putting a well vegged plant outside will have no benefit on how it will turn out or how big it will get.

Sativas take a long time to flower outside because they need light under 13/11, indicas can flower under 14/10 or even more with some extremely short strains. Outside takes longer because the light hours only decrease by 2 minutes each day(lat dependant) and takes longer to get into 'full flower' at 12/12 or under.

Do an experiment of putting out a well vegged plant vs a clones and see for yourself... outdoor is 100x harder than indoors.
 

SenorBrownWater

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He didn't say the plant flower instantly but you can control the light hours instantly...

@ Thundercat
You can learn the lesson the hard way if you want but I'm telling you right now that putting a well vegged plant outside will have no benefit on how it will turn out or how big it will get.

Sativas take a long time to flower outside because they need light under 13/11, indicas can flower under 14/10 or even more with some extremely short strains. Outside takes longer because the light hours only decrease by 2 minutes each day(lat dependant) and takes longer to get into 'full flower' at 12/12 or under.

Do an experiment of putting out a well vegged plant vs a clones and see for yourself... outdoor is 100x harder than indoors.
My plants get bigger because I veg them indoors.....I'm pretty sure that why a lot of people here do it....
IMO outdoor is way easier than indoor...I don't have to do everything for them....mother nature helps....
 
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Robs

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I start in June and try to keep plants small. End up yielding 13oz to 16oz per plant. Could easily pull 1 1/2lb to 2lb if I made a few adjustments. I know several people routinely pulling 2+lbs per plant. But remember us outdoor growers only get 1 harvest a year whereas indoors are harvesting 4x a year.
Setup a light dep greenhouse & you can crop 3-4 times a year.
 

Thundercat

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My plants get bigger because I veg them indoors.....I'm pretty sure that why a lot of people here do it....
IMO outdoor is way easier than indoor...I don't have to do everything for them....mother nature helps....
He didn't say the plant flower instantly but you can control the light hours instantly...

@ Thundercat
You can learn the lesson the hard way if you want but I'm telling you right now that putting a well vegged plant outside will have no benefit on how it will turn out or how big it will get.

Sativas take a long time to flower outside because they need light under 13/11, indicas can flower under 14/10 or even more with some extremely short strains. Outside takes longer because the light hours only decrease by 2 minutes each day(lat dependant) and takes longer to get into 'full flower' at 12/12 or under.

Do an experiment of putting out a well vegged plant vs a clones and see for yourself... outdoor is 100x harder than indoors.
Makes sense to me Senor, I've watched growers on here veg indoors and then move them out in the spring for years with great success.

As far as indoor or outdoor being harder I think they both present their own set of challanges. I however have never had the ability to grow out a plant outdoors so I try not to speak as an authority on it. I do feel that over the last 10 years I've developed a pretty good understanding of plant growth.

Sadly I won't be able to do any experiments outside any time soon. I am quite certain if I put a mature well vegged plant and a clone of that same plant outside to flower, that the well vegged plant WILL yield more and become a much larger plant. I am also certain that it WILL NOT take longer to flower then the clone will. That was my point in all this.

My Cindy99 perhaps, the mother plant is a 5 month old clone of the last mother that was about 9 months old from the original seed mother, my point only being that its well matured and has been very stable. If I put that mother plant outside right now, and one of the clones that has only had roots for 2 weeks. You are fooling yourself if you think the mother plant won't become 10x larger then the clone and produce much higher yields.

The only way I see it taking a plant longer to flower (which was the original question I posed simply to see what sort of explanation was given for such a claim) is if the grower were to drastically shock the plant in some way. Taking it from a longer light cycle to a shorter and causing it to begin to flower and then reveg, or a drastic climatic change which just shocked the plant directly.

OTHERWISE I believe that the fact that growers around the world preveg plants indoors, and not just marijuana plants, proves that it IS beneficial to the plants. You just have to be a competent grower and understand how plants work.
 

SenorBrownWater

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Makes sense to me Senor, I've watched growers on here veg indoors and then move them out in the spring for years with great success.

As far as indoor or outdoor being harder I think they both present their own set of challanges. I however have never had the ability to grow out a plant outdoors so I try not to speak as an authority on it. I do feel that over the last 10 years I've developed a pretty good understanding of plant growth.

Sadly I won't be able to do any experiments outside any time soon. I am quite certain if I put a mature well vegged plant and a clone of that same plant outside to flower, that the well vegged plant WILL yield more and become a much larger plant. I am also certain that it WILL NOT take longer to flower then the clone will. That was my point in all this.

My Cindy99 perhaps, the mother plant is a 5 month old clone of the last mother that was about 9 months old from the original seed mother, my point only being that its well matured and has been very stable. If I put that mother plant outside right now, and one of the clones that has only had roots for 2 weeks. You are fooling yourself if you think the mother plant won't become 10x larger then the clone and produce much higher yields.

The only way I see it taking a plant longer to flower (which was the original question I posed simply to see what sort of explanation was given for such a claim) is if the grower were to drastically shock the plant in some way. Taking it from a longer light cycle to a shorter and causing it to begin to flower and then reveg, or a drastic climatic change which just shocked the plant directly.

OTHERWISE I believe that the fact that growers around the world preveg plants indoors, and not just marijuana plants, proves that it IS beneficial to the plants. You just have to be a competent grower and understand how plants work.

If the mom is super root bound it might not preform as well as a clone...that and reveg are the only things I can think of...
I use supplemental lighting outside....when I turn them off, I like to think to pushes them to flower before they would naturally.
 

crazykiwi420

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i personally never harden off,i have never seen ill effects
do you veg under a 1000w or do you grow hardy indicas?

I've personally only seen ill effects on not hardening off pure sativas.

A well vegged clone may be alright but a seed mother will definitely not perform as well as I've seen way too many times inside and out.

lol outdoor growing over here in NZ is WAY harder than inside. It's easy to say its easy when you guys grow in your back yard or have access to your plants everyday, try pull 3-4lbs per plant when you can only visit them once every 2 weeks or month...
 

Robs

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yeah In cali... You try that in other states your going to have a bad time....
Is possible with the right setup. Veg indoors starting in January veg till may 1st. Clone off them put in light dep greenhouse may 1st. Finished end of June 1st week in July. Harvest & fill again with clones that are now plants after taking more clones. Finished 1st week in September. Fill & flower them. Done 1st week in November. All possible trust me. Radiant floor heating for last cycle is a plus. 70 lbs. a year easily for 24 plants each cycle. JMO :)
 

SenorBrownWater

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Is possible with the right setup. Veg indoors starting in January veg till may 1st. Clone off them put in light dep greenhouse may 1st. Finished end of June 1st week in July. Harvest & fill again with clones that are now plants after taking more clones. Finished 1st week in September. Fill & flower them. Done 1st week in November. All possible trust me. Radiant floor heating for last cycle is a plus. 70 lbs. a year easily for 24 plants each cycle. JMO :)
OK I trust you bro!
 

fatburt

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do you veg under a 1000w or do you grow hardy indicas?

I've personally only seen ill effects on not hardening off pure sativas.

A well vegged clone may be alright but a seed mother will definitely not perform as well as I've seen way too many times inside and out.

lol outdoor growing over here in NZ is WAY harder than inside. It's easy to say its easy when you guys grow in your back yard or have access to your plants everyday, try pull 3-4lbs per plant when you can only visit them once every 2 weeks or month...
you cant.......
yes i grow primarily indicas...best ive done in geurilla was 23.4 ounces with kc33 about 9 years ago...but i get lb plants every year with open botton 25 gallon swamp tubes
 

crazykiwi420

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you cant.......
yes i grow primarily indicas...best ive done in geurilla was 23.4 ounces with kc33 about 9 years ago...but i get lb plants every year with open botton 25 gallon swamp tubes
That's pretty impressive for guerilla. The only time i've had trouble with hardening off clones was with Malawi and nearly died but saved them by putting branches and leaves over them for a few days even after being under a 600 hps for 10 days.

do you use rain crystals?.
 

fatburt

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no,i dont like the polymer crystals,i fnd it makes weed taste wierd...i use open bottom swamp tubes,dont water all year...i use a time release fert called dagda,works excellent
 

curt caine

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I'm a outdoor grower from the west cost an I get two harvest a year but could be pulling in three. If you go out in February your be pulling in June. Go In late April early May you will be done in October. Yee
 

curt caine

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do they keep growing in veg outdoor getting taller bushier ?
i have grown some strains to say 6ft indoor when they flower they only get to 8ft
the same pheno flowered at 1ft would get to 5ft
the stretch seems to diminish if you veg them more there seems to be a point where indoor hybrids anyway
will not get any bigger or at least the time factor to make it bigger will just waste time

i can see the plants that naturally keep growing making this yield easy they end up like trees
20ft tall n shit lol

peace
It also depends when you put them out. Put them out this year before April 23 there gonna flower. Spring started April 22 this year. Put them in a day before there gonna start to flower with a chance to re veg.
 
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