2nd round with pk and no success......

Budman420420

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so I have a mother plant I clone off of, very healthy about 2 years old, that I used for my outdoor.... I decided to try indoor and went with white widow and had good success, since that I’ve been trying the purple kush indoor and the dam buds won’t fill out, they can be in there for 50 60 days and they seem like all they do is bud decently for the first month then do nothing....... any ideas out there, or is my mom messed up.... any help is good. Thanks
 

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Nugs1

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Can you give an idea of what your growing in and with, nutes etc..
I know its purple Kush so the stems may naturally be a little purple but do you see where the leaf starts? The purple is bleeding into the leaf. That usually shows a phosphorous deficiency.
When phosphorus is present in inadequate levels, genetic processes such as cell division and plant growth are impaired. Hence, phosphorus deficient plants may mature at a slower rate than plants with adequate amounts of phosphorus.

Phosphorus is directly linked to bud site production and root production, that may be your issue.

Edit: after further inspection of you pics, I can see some of the older leaves are purple/red in the veins of the leaf. I think my diagnosis above is correct.
 
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zypheruk

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Could just be a matter of needing more time to fill out. Never go by how long the breeders say it could be 10-20 days more.
Your buds in the picture is what my plants would be like at roughly 14 days of 12/12.
 
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Nugs1 said:
Can you give an idea of what your growing in and with, nutes etc..
I know its purple Kush so the stems may naturally be a little purple but do you see where the leaf starts? The purple is bleeding into the leaf. That usually shows a phosphorous deficiency.
When phosphorus is present in inadequate levels, genetic processes such as cell division and plant growth are impaired. Hence, phosphorus deficient plants may mature at a slower rate than plants with adequate amounts of phosphorus.

Phosphorus is directly linked to bud site production and root production, that may be your issue.

Edit: after further inspection of you pics, I can see some of the older leaves are purple/red in the veins of the leaf. I think my diagnosis above is correct.
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I’m using 5 gallon fabric pots with advanced nutrients perfect ph bloom,big bud at 1/4 of recommended dosage, in soil
 
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Budman420420 said:
I’m using 5 gallon fabric pots with advanced nutrients perfect ph bloom,big bud at 1/4 of recommended dosage, in soil
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I'm going to say its a deficiency like I said before. And the issue seems that your only giving 1/4 nutes. That girl is in flower, you should have been on full nutes for a while.
1/4 is for when they are still only a month old, after that slowly raise it up by checking the ppm's. If, while raising the amount of nutes given, they start to show some tip burn on the leaves then you know you've reach the current limit. But honestly that plant should at minimum be at 80-90% of the recommended dosage.
 
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Nugs1 said:
I'm going to say its a deficiency like I said before. And the issue seems that your only giving 1/4 nutes. That girl is in flower, you should have been on full nutes for a while.
1/4 is for when they are still only a month old, after that slowly raise it up by checking the ppm's. If, while raising the amount of nutes given, they start to show some tip burn on the leaves then you know you've reach the current limit. But honestly that plant should at minimum be at 80-90% of the recommended dosage.
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I was wondering if I wasn’t giving enough, I am going to use your advise and up the nutes. If that doesn’t work I’ll stick with outdoor lol, been doing that for 10 years lol thanks man
 
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Cold$moke said:
Your not over feeding are you?

I say that cause i see claws
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No. I’ve only been giving 1/4 nutes with this round because I thought they weren’t swelling the last time because I gave too much, so I thought this time I’d be conservative and just let it do what it will do on 1/4 nutes, and they are acting pretty much the same except this time they are a bit healthier, and leaves look a bit better. The last grow of pk the leaves were all curled in and looked like crap so I figured I gave to much
 
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Budman420420 said:
No. I’ve only been giving 1/4 nutes with this round because I thought they weren’t swelling the last time because I gave too much, so I thought this time I’d be conservative and just let it do what it will do on 1/4 nutes, and they are acting pretty much the same except this time they are a bit healthier, and leaves look a bit better. The last grow of pk the leaves were all curled in and looked like crap so I figured I gave to much
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I’m hoping by increasing the nutes it will make a difference, hoping to find that sweet spot
 
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Budman420420 said:
No. I’ve only been giving 1/4 nutes with this round because I thought they weren’t swelling the last time because I gave too much, so I thought this time I’d be conservative and just let it do what it will do on 1/4 nutes, and they are acting pretty much the same except this time they are a bit healthier, and leaves look a bit better. The last grow of pk the leaves were all curled in and looked like crap so I figured I gave to much
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Normaly if its not genetic which it doesnt look like it leaf claw is over nitrogen if i recall
 
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Budman420420 said:
I was wondering if I wasn’t giving enough, I am going to use your advise and up the nutes. If that doesn’t work I’ll stick with outdoor lol, been doing that for 10 years lol thanks man
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No problem man, shit happens. I keep looking it over just in case I'm not seeing something but I keep coming to the same conclusion they are hungry.
Up it to 1/2 nutes then go 3/4. If you have a ppm meter then keep an eye on that. It helps you narrow it down exactly to what that strain can handle. All strains are a little different, some can handle super high ppm but some can only handle 600-700 ppm. That also is all depending on root ball, if its root bound then it will only handle 1/2 of what it normally would.
 
evergreengardener

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Budman420420 said:
I’m using a 800 watt led, and the plant has been in flower for 45 days so far.... but I’ve done white widow a couple grows before and that was fine
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wellvyou do have some very skinny fan leaves so looks like you got a heavy sativa dom pheno it could run 80days or longer. maybe its not the pk you think it is?
 
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Cold$moke said:
Normaly if its not genetic which it doesnt look like it leaf claw is over nitrogen if i recall
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I see it a little in there but with everything he's saying, I would contribute the slight clawing to it drooping a little and just all around hungry. Also the roots may be striving extra hard looking for food so it may be pulling more nitrogen out of the soil than it normally would.
 
Cold$moke

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Specifically what are you feeding

Big bud and bloom?
Is there a micro and grow component?

Just my humble opinion it looks pretty green but there is definitely something going on there

Whats the ph? Ph perfect is only perfect sometimez :)
 
Cold$moke

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Nugs1 said:
I see it a little in there but with everything he's saying, I would contribute the slight clawing to it drooping a little and just all around hungry. Also the roots may be striving extra hard looking for food so it may be pulling more nitrogen out of the soil than it normally would.
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I would say that too if it werent so dark green :)
 
evergreengardener

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Nugs1 said:
I noticed that too, a micronutrient deficiency could actually cause that most notably a lack of Zinc.
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yes but the plant would be showing alot more stress signs i think. Purple kush is very indica dom so im thinking its not the plant he thinks it is
 
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evergreengardener said:
yes but the plant would be showing alot more stress signs i think. Purple kush is very indica dom so im thinking its not the plant he thinks it is
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I was literally saying the same thing about the leaves. Another sign of the micro deficiency would be abnormal stretching.
But yeah seems more like a hybrid that is more sativa dominant.
 
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