2 Pounds Per Light

dlively11 said:

I can yield from 2 lbs per light to 4 lbs per light depending on strain.

4 per SQ foot which is 64 under a 1000 watt HPS 4X4 tray. Switched at 6-8 inches tall end up 18-20 inches tall. I train them early to grow into single colas. Week 3 of bloom I remove all the large fan leaves. I use GH Maxibloom powder (super cheap and works better then Advanced and H&G for me) Along with Floralicious Plus, Silica blast, AN Big Bud, MOAB Snow Storm Ultra and Gravity. No CO2 but LOTS and LOTS of fresh incoming air. About 3X what is recommended for my space. Also I am ebb and Flo in 5 inch pots using Hydroton. Cheese, Big Bud, and Fruity Chronic (Chronic White Widow) are my highest yielders and I am able to get a 30 gram per plant average dried and cut. Other strains usually yield closer to 18-25. Lot easier to get higher yields with a full SOG grow IMO. Little to no veg time and if you can do high numbers gives you GREAT results. I will warn you though that if you do numbers that high you HAVE to remove leaves or you will be growing 90% leaf =) I'd like to add this is the best method I have found so far for me in 5 years of growing indoors. I have grown every other method pretty much and varied plant numbers a lot. Have done 4, 8, 12, 16, 32 and 64 plants per light and have used soil, soiless and now hydro. Used lots of other nutes as well.

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That's incredible... How do you train to produce a single cola? Do you snip the side shoots? I'd love to see this setup.. Also, what size pots do you use when using soil?

Gratefulgrowin93 said:

after reading this thread through I believe I was over crowding my light I put as many as 9 clones under a 600w in a 4x4 got only a little over 0.5 gpw

once dried it was easy trimming but not even enough for person as l medicating, as I fed with AN and GH but not in hydroton or coco like I should have never have seen good yields from chemicals poured into soil ,

soil should be organic and soiless can be pushed to insane levels if done well and carefully

i went back to organic soil mixed by me style grows and less plant numbers finally am pushing my gpw up towards 0.75 last few runs maybe 1 on this try we shall see wish me luck brothers and sisters ,, happy growing

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U have to remember that trying to compare yields between organics and synthetics is like apple and oranges.

I've never seen someone get the high yields they want running true organics opposed to synthetics, but when done properly u can still get very good results. The main difference u will notice is quality, primarily the smells and taste and trich/resin production when running organics

If u want a recipe for AN running soilless either coco/peat inbox me I'm more than happy to help.

I also have a great Botanicare recipe which is a blend of synthetics and organics so u will be able to get the desired yields and quality u get when doing organics. BOL!

pk_boosted2 said:

U have to remember that trying to compare yields between organics and synthetics is like apple and oranges.

I've never seen someone get the high yields they want running true organics opposed to synthetics, but when done properly u can still get very good results. The main difference u will notice is quality, primarily the smells and taste and trich/resin production when running organics

If u want a recipe for AN running soilless either coco/peat inbox me I'm more than happy to help.

I also have a great Botanicare recipe which is a blend of synthetics and organics so u will be able to get the desired yields and quality u get when doing organics. BOL!

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I would like to look at that botanicare feeding cycle I've heard lot of good things about them

thanks for the support guys!

Gratefulgrowin93 said:

I would like to look at that botanicare feeding cycle I've heard lot of good things about them

thanks for the support guys!

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don't fall for that BS dude, he is a salesman. spend a half an hour an listen to this.

chuck estevez said:

don't fall for that BS dude, he is a salesman. spend a half an hour an listen to this.

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great I for in the video this guy really knows his stuff

thank you for posting

Gratefulgrowin93 said:

great I for in the video this guy really knows his stuff

thank you for posting

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great info i mean^

mis typing in learning so much lol

love what he brings up about silica and calcium being so important ! Very true and tested and proven

Mountainfarmer said:

man, that seems like a lot of plants under one light. My buddy runs ten plants under (2) 1000 watt hps lights. He is averaging .75g/watt. 3 gallon pots, promix, 30 day veg, no co2. The strain is NYC diesel x g13 haze by Soma.

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Lol so your buddy pulls 6 oz per 3 gallon pot huh...sad to even say.

2 lbs per light? What setup you running? Most of my ballasts run about 6lbs - you got some carbon fiber boy? .... </troll>

2 pounds a light seems to be more normal now than it was a few years ago. I see lots of people getting close to the 3 mark

cottee said:

Na u alright. U probably couldn't even grow a tomato u arragont cunt

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LOL look at yourself first (if you can bare it)

cottee said:

Still boringgggggggg

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yeeeeeehahhhhhhhhhhhhh

dlively11 said:

I can yield from 2 lbs per light to 4 lbs per light depending on strain.

4 per SQ foot which is 64 under a 1000 watt HPS 4X4 tray. Switched at 6-8 inches tall end up 18-20 inches tall. I train them early to grow into single colas. Week 3 of bloom I remove all the large fan leaves. I use GH Maxibloom powder (super cheap and works better then Advanced and H&G for me) Along with Floralicious Plus, Silica blast, AN Big Bud, MOAB Snow Storm Ultra and Gravity. No CO2 but LOTS and LOTS of fresh incoming air. About 3X what is recommended for my space. Also I am ebb and Flo in 5 inch pots using Hydroton. Cheese, Big Bud, and Fruity Chronic (Chronic White Widow) are my highest yielders and I am able to get a 30 gram per plant average dried and cut. Other strains usually yield closer to 18-25. Lot easier to get higher yields with a full SOG grow IMO. Little to no veg time and if you can do high numbers gives you GREAT results. I will warn you though that if you do numbers that high you HAVE to remove leaves or you will be growing 90% leaf =) I'd like to add this is the best method I have found so far for me in 5 years of growing indoors. I have grown every other method pretty much and varied plant numbers a lot. Have done 4, 8, 12, 16, 32 and 64 plants per light and have used soil, soiless and now hydro. Used lots of other nutes as well.

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Have you tried/ had any success with something like amnesia haze or bluecheese, something that gets taller
to make use of the vertical height plants that finish more like 3ft tall with a single cola ?

I'm interested in this thread because i have been doing it some time now and i get 28 from two plants dry,I used to do more plants but ended up with round about the same weight.So any one that is hitting weights like this give us a hint at the best way to set them out under two 600 cool hoods,i aint changing room has i have the room keyed in perfect,that in its self has took some time and a lot of changing things around.

I have been thinking of running 9 plants under each 600 ,that would mean that the 9 would have just over 1 and 1/2 mtr squared per 9.,i grow in auto pot's i'm used to them and nine fit perfect so i would be useing them its just the height and and method,i'm used to growing in a scrog,the 28 i get now is from a scrog but flowering them at 2 ft so they end up a decent size,28 is pretty much guaranteed,i have had 34 at the best from the twver the water plant numbers are a factor more than the states for legal reasons i sure ya all know this,why i hit just two.

I veg under 2 sets of 4 tube t5's so 8 tubes 3 ft long,there is no reason to change this the plants love the veg room,and do not have stretching at all so saves a fortune on electric and means that im ready to flower the minute the 2 in the room with the 600 are done,I'm in the middle of a test to be honest something i have wanted to do in a long long time is flower under the t5's just to see what they throw me,

What has got me wanting to know about doing more plants is i talked to someone last week ,now i'm not sure if he was just blowing bubbles or he knew his shit,but he said he is hitting 600g per squared mtr of room from two 600's.So would be interesting to here from someone who is getting this kinda weight per light 1200 g from 2 x 600's.

Any advice would be good dude's this would mean more risk plant amount wise,but on the other hand less risk because i would not need to do has many,i would get the oil i need from 3 grows a year,and free some time up for my main focus breeding,at a friends house.

That would mean he is hitting 42 oz from 2 x 600's with the plants having a mtr each done with a table over each set or just one table covering the full room,can't see it would be good,if it was right but just cant see it,i have seen a lot,i mean a lot of rooms and some excellent growers in the time i have been doing it but never seen weights like this,well i have seen near these weights but we are talking big grow's with 9/12 x 1000's hps light,the plants are getting extra light in cases like this from the amount of lights in the rooms,But wondering if it's do able under a smaller scale.

I'm also interested in any one that has done,smellyberry from underground seeds ,or there original blues,i'm thinking of crossing this with a plant i have.It look's dank lovely looking plant so any one done this whats it like

many thanks in advance if any one answers

tyke.......

pahudson said:

Hey all,

I am currently using 1000 watt lights and I hear lots of talk about 2 pounds per light. I have been growing for quite some time and have never been able to get above .5 grams per watt. So I just wanted to see what some of you guys are doing that are achieving this number. I have read so many different opinions on how many plants per light and nutrients to use, its hard to know what is fact and what is fiction.

Right now I am going to put 16 plants under a 1000 watt hps, veged till its about 2 feet tall. I have topped some of them twice and others only once. They are in 3 gallon pots filled with promix bx and I will be using sensi bloom a and b this time round with advanced nutrients bloom boosters. Strain is California Orange. Temps in the room will be 75-80 during the day and 65-70 at night. Humidity will be kept around 60. No CO2 will be used just oscilating fans to move air around. Am I on the right track? What are some of you guys doing to get 2 pounds per light? Am I putting too many plants under a 1000 watt light or not enough? Any input would really be appreciated. I am not even expecting 2 pounds per light I would be happy at this point with 1.5.

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First off the number one thing dictating the coveted 2 lbs per 1000w is genetics. I dont care how good a grower you are some strains just cant yield more than 1.5 lbs per light such as some of the GSC and Pure OG varieties just as an example.

Number 2... People are getting upwards of 3 lbs per light these days using DWC or Coco drain to waste grows with insane yields. One you get good genetics, the second most important aspect is your environment needs to be 100% dialed in and spot on to achieve higher yields.

Number 3... After you have good genetics and a great environment you need to focus on your veg and get the biggest healthiest plants you can get before you even think about switching to bloom. And plant count abd container size will absolutely effect your yields!!! Everyone including myself who gets over 2 lbs per light primarily is running either flow and grows, DWC or drain to waste either coco or pro mix type media. I run coco/perlite mix and get anywhere from 2.25 - 2.5 per light, I have never hit over that but I am trying right now to get to the 3 which would be amazing!!

Anyways. Moving along after these things are all considered plant count is the next step. Everyone hitting 2+ per light is either running 4-9 plants per light absolutely no more than 9 (in 5 gallon containers minimum). I run 6 (7 or 10 gallon containers). I veg for roughly week 6-8 weeks and manipulate the plants using both supercropping and topping once every week until the final week of veg and let them heal for a good 7-10 days before I switch to flowering so they are hardy and healthy stress free ready to grow big fruits.

Finally you need good quality nutrients that are tried and true that you know can produce this weight and grow big robust colas. You need to use benes and microbes and make sure your rhizosphere is 100% and you are watering and drying them correctly for the best wet/dry cycles for optimal root and plant growth. The bigger the roots the bigger your fruits and that as simple as it gets. Your root zone is the muscles and driving force behind your plants and will make or break your yields!!! Also the next thing that is VERY important part is feeding and watering after everything else is set and done. Using a high quality nutrients and fine tuning it to your strain will either lead you to success or failure.

I have tried many many nutrients in my years of growing and can tell you that if you are not constantly trying new things and expirmenting you will never get anywhere. Finding the best combination of nutrients or tweaking one brands line of nutrients is the way to go. I like AN personally. But have also gotten very good yields and results using Green Planet Nutrients. AN in my opinion provides best of both worlds: quality and yields. Sometimes you have to sacrifice one or the other to get what you want. If you want to focus on quality you may not want to use AN and go Organic like GH organic line or even Bio Canna or Botanicare (These 2 are my personal favorites for organics). Both of these IMO not only yield well but produce excellent quality meds covered in resins and terpenes. But you will sacrifice some yield and definetely wont be getting over 2 lbs per light using these types of nutrients.

Primarily anyone getting big yields like 2-3 lbs per light is running some type of synthetic or blend of synthetic and organic nutrients. Thats just the way it is. I have alos heard of people getting 2 lbs per light using Bio-Bizz and it is supposed to be excellent products. I dont know for myself I have never used them but I do know a few people who do run it and swear by it. I have seen their meds and they are superior to most things I see around my way. Quality is up there with super soil mixes etc... Check em out

Remo aka the Urban Grower is one of the elite growerd in the world. He is a world class grower who knows his shit. He usually grows 9 a light or 4 per light using the big current culture kits. Using vertical lights between the rows and metal halides over top utilizing the best of both worlds. He has his own meds and nutrients. Although many of his grows and results he shows on his youtube channel are all grown using AN. He gets upwards of 2.5-3 lbs per light, but he is also a master grower with access to the best genetics and information anyone can get their hands on. Hes also been growing and in the business for decades so trying or expecting to get the same results as him is just setting yourself up for failure to begin with. But he has many great motivational and very informative videos online and available for everyone to use and implement in their gardens.

Plant count and size is key including container size. Like i said genetics, environment and nutrients are the big 3 factors. Get those down and you will be good. 6-9 plants using 7-15 gallon containers is where you need to be to get huge yields and 6-8 week veg times. These guys are growing 6 feet trees. Monster plants

reefcouple said:

Great great great post!! I will soon be doing the same thing (cola grow), my first run is in a week or two... i was going to leave all the fan leaves and start blooming the instant I have about 6" of root on my clones... Sound ok? I actually have a little spacing (10 plants on a 2x4 e&f table)...

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I know this will be an argument or someone will say something regarding this comment but imma tell you straight up and anyone who really gets big dog yields will tell you. Lollipop and fan leaf removal twice during bloom is the only way to get 2+ per 1000w. I dont care what anyone has to say. Take it from me this I promise you. Lollipop and fan leaf removal of large interior site blocking fan leaves during week 1 of bloom and a final clean up around week 3 and your yields will increase with bigger bud development top to bottom, period!! Promise

pahudson said:

I've seen that clip before and took note of each of the points. I'm skeptical about only 9 plants under a 1000 watt light but hey, hes the man! I would personally like to keep the plant numbers a little higher per light but I used to do 25 and found that they just crowded each other out. I'm gonna give 16 a shot and if that gets crowded out I'll reduce again.

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Check out my 2k querkle scrog in the hydro forum. 4 plants per 1k in 15 gallon smartpots.

Canna_Man said:

Remo aka the Urban Grower is one of the elite growerd in the world. He is a world class grower who knows his shit. He usually grows 9 a light or 4 per light using the big current culture kits. Using vertical lights between the rows and metal halides over top utilizing the best of both worlds. He has his own meds and nutrients. Although many of his grows and results he shows on his youtube channel are all grown using AN. He gets upwards of 2.5-3 lbs per light, but he is also a master grower with access to the best genetics and information anyone can get their hands on. Hes also been growing and in the business for decades so trying or expecting to get the same results as him is just setting yourself up for failure to begin with. But he has many great motivational and very informative videos online and available for everyone to use and implement in their gardens.

Plant count and size is key including container size. Like i said genetics, environment and nutrients are the big 3 factors. Get those down and you will be good. 6-9 plants using 7-15 gallon containers is where you need to be to get huge yields and 6-8 week veg times. These guys are growing 6 feet trees. Monster plants

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What!!??

I was a newb and i was getting 1.5 lbs under 1 x 1000w in my 5x5 tent. If a newb can do that an experinced grower should easily come close to 2 lbs per light. That was with 4 plants vegged 5 weeks in 5 gal pots.

Hell...i damn near hit that mark my last grow...

Gquebed said:

What!!??

I was a newb and i was getting 1.5 lbs under 1 x 1000w in my 5x5 tent. If a newb can do that an experinced grower should easily come close to 2 lbs per light. That was with 4 plants vegged 5 weeks in 5 gal pots.

Hell...i damn near hit that mark my last grow...

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2 per light is the new average.