2 Pounds Per Light

pahudson said:

Hey all,

I am currently using 1000 watt lights and I hear lots of talk about 2 pounds per light. I have been growing for quite some time and have never been able to get above .5 grams per watt.

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Mebby change your setup?.. I run 1KW HPS + CO2+ in Hydro. 4 week veg time.

My typical output is: 1.2-.9 in vert/ .7 in SCROG/ .6 -.4 topped & trained. 16 plants sounds kinda crowded, I run half of that. and I'm getting around .7 in SCROG in a mixed strain grow. I currently am running scrog only because the space i'm in doesn't work well with a vertical grow.

In all my years of growing i have seen some of the top names in the game claim to get a lb per light but i am telling ya this is pretty hard,the only way it can be done is by growing trees indoors,and you also have to have plants under other lights in the same room that will also give extra light out.

Out doors in the states those guys have got the massive yeilds and good end product down to a t but thats with the suns rays,keep me posted with this one because if you do get 2 lb per light it will be something that i have never seen in 22 yr of been around this scene a lb is easy do able i near all ways hit a lb per 600 2 lb of 2 plants.

greenhouse and george cerventas both have claimed to have got 2 lb per light but i have seen both of them grow and there is no way greenhouse have done it indoors not going on what i have seen same has the white rasta,

If you are getting 2 lb per light per plant then write a book and make a dvd because it would fly out,if you are not getting 10 dry per plant from the off by this i mean if you have the room keyed and the height and width then something is wrong with all the info on here.

And to be honest i would be not putting greenhouse seeds grows on you tube the hd ones shit some of the worste yeilds that i have ever seen,all this from the king of cannabis,i have hit a lb of there exo cheese and there arjons ultra haze also super silver haze.

If you watch the best grows on you tube hunters of dank you will get a idea of the size the plants will have to be to get 2 lb per light far too big to do indoors it is do able but you would have to veg for at least 8 week prob more and have a good size room i think i could do it with the right room with a scrog and light mover 1000 hps light but the room would have to be big

Everyone's always looking for some gimmick or magical formula.

It is not difficult to harvest 2 lbs. from a 600W HID light. You just have to put all the elements together which means having a solid horticulture background, using the proper hood and genetics with a lot of indica genes. I've gotten 10 oz off of one 42" H plant before (see my 4 main cola thread) and usually grew at least 4 indoors. Never used a tent, always did soil but I also have 40+ years of growing experience so I've learned to read my plants and adjust if need be.

No gimmicks, no forum tricks or methods, no cannabis specific foods, no flushing, no maintenance headaches like SCROG.....just good solid culture like you'd grow a tomato plant.

I'm running a 600w hps and T5 fixture for supplemental light. It's my first run in this new location in a 4x4 tent. I'm doing 6 plants, 3 strains, dtw coco/perlite in 3.5gal containers. I bent the plants over and trained them for multiple tops and I expect to pull............about a #(secretly I think it will be more then that, I'm an optimist). Here is what the side of my tent looks like @ day 60 of flower...

Looks good, but don't tell me, you defoliated?

Uncle Ben said:

Looks good, but don't tell me, you defoliated?

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Who cares if he did they look amazing

dlively11 said:

Actually I grow better then him that is if you consider 2X the yields he gets as being better. He does nothing but bash people every single time there is a post about removing leaves. He belittles everyone who supports this PROVEN advanced technique. Its not much different then a Scrog or Lollipopping where growers remove large amounts of leaves and branches. Anyone who argues it is counterproductive and hurts yields after seeing countless grows where people are pulling well over 1 gram per watt just isnt seeing very clearly and is the last person I would take advise from. Like Albefuct I found grows I liked and copied the. Amazing , it worked =)

To set the record straight I only chime in about UB when he starts his diarrhea of the mouth comments on topics he knows little to nothing about personally.If he had tried it and done side by sides and had his own evidence it would actually carry some weight but he doesnt.

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Removal of healthy leaves in flower to promote larger flower growth is not a "PROVEN advanced technique", it's just poor logic. Leaves drive plant growth and removal would be counter productive to your goal of larger yields. Now tying a large fan leaf back or off to the side so as to expose more light to a flower site makes sense to me, but removal, I'm afraid not.

cottee said:

Who cares if he did they look amazing

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Because he could potentially improve his yield even further without defoliation and we are all striving to do better, right? Anytime I can help you understand a simple concept, you let me know.

In my experience so far, canopy management and environmental harmony affect yield more than anything else. Once you have the nutrients dialed in and your environment under control, it's just canopy management from there which affects how many flower sites you get and how much light exposure said flower sites will receive.

If you think about it, scrog and sea of green growing techniques are all about CANOPY MANAGEMENT. Ask yourself why? Because they produce more flower sites therefore achieving larger yields. If your goal is larger yields then focus on the things that will truly affect yield and avoid the conjecture that gets passed around as indefinite truth on these forums all too often.

I understand why knowledgeable people like UB get frustrated, because having to explain over and over again to people the basic principles of horticulture becomes very redundant.

lol...i just hit over 20 z's and didn't add the weight of a seeded plant under a 600 with plenty of room for improvement.
vertical n coco.

jonnynobody said:

Now tying a large fan leaf back or off to the side so as to expose more light to a flower site makes sense to me, but removal, I'm afraid not.

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Another forum myth that will not die. Budsites do not need light to develop, although lower plant levels still receive light thru the canopy albeit Red and Far Red. Production is solely relative to the amount of photons received by healthy productive fan leaves daily, retained up to harvest in a green and healthy state. https://www.rollitup.org/t/no-lower-budsites-do-not-need-light-to-develop-get-educated.829061/

Folks keep repeating this paradigm because they don't know any better.

UB leaves me wondering why all the lower budsites below the canopy never develop properly. Considering that these sites are also the oldest.

bird mcbride said:

UB leaves me wondering why all the lower budsites below the canopy never develop properly. Considering that these sites are also the oldest.

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Nut behind the wheel?

Seriously, I've explained why many times in other defol threads. I'll not repeat myself.

pahudson said:

Hey all,

I am currently using 1000 watt lights and I hear lots of talk about 2 pounds per light. I have been growing for quite some time and have never been able to get above .5 grams per watt. So I just wanted to see what some of you guys are doing that are achieving this number. I have read so many different opinions on how many plants per light and nutrients to use, its hard to know what is fact and what is fiction.

Right now I am going to put 16 plants under a 1000 watt hps, veged till its about 2 feet tall. I have topped some of them twice and others only once. They are in 3 gallon pots filled with promix bx and I will be using sensi bloom a and b this time round with advanced nutrients bloom boosters. Strain is California Orange. Temps in the room will be 75-80 during the day and 65-70 at night. Humidity will be kept around 60. No CO2 will be used just oscilating fans to move air around. Am I on the right track? What are some of you guys doing to get 2 pounds per light? Am I putting too many plants under a 1000 watt light or not enough? Any input would really be appreciated. I am not even expecting 2 pounds per light I would be happy at this point with 1.5.

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Are you venting your tent sufficiently? "No CO2 will be used just oscilating fans to move air around. " - You need to bring in fresh air so your plants have co2 to build tissue.

jonnynobody said:

Because he could potentially improve his yield even further without defoliation and we are all striving to do better, right? Anytime I can help you understand a simple concept, you let me know.

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Na u alright. U probably couldn't even grow a tomato u arragont cunt

My first indoor grow was done in one of those metal milk pails. It never amounted to anything but I was only 15 and my info was a book called 'grow your own stone'. Total BS.
I LST my budders by tipping them by the roots while the table is flooded. This happens when they start to get to the HPS, 44".s above the rock. The clones go in freshly rooted with no veg time. I don't top my budders.
I average about 28 oz's from each 4x4 table with a 1kw hps every eight weeks whether they are partially defoliated or not.
My 3x3 ebb and flow(F&D) table with 1kw hps averages 3 and 3/4 oz's every two weeks. I cannot get weed as good as what the 3x3 produces anywhere in Canada.

Uncle Ben said:

Everyone's always looking for some gimmick or magical formula.

It is not difficult to harvest 2 lbs. from a 600W HID light. You just have to put all the elements together which means having a solid horticulture background, using the proper hood and genetics with a lot of indica genes. I've gotten 10 oz off of one 42" H plant before (see my 4 main cola thread) and usually grew at least 4 indoors. Never used a tent, always did soil but I also have 40+ years of growing experience so I've learned to read my plants and adjust if need be.

No gimmicks, no forum tricks or methods, no cannabis specific foods, no flushing, no maintenance headaches like SCROG.....just good solid culture like you'd grow a tomato plant.

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What nutes do you use? I think most of the "cannabis specific" claims are are just marketing hype. There is no way one needs 8 different bottles of nutes to grow a weed.

cottee said:

Na u alright. U probably couldn't even grow a tomato u arragont cunt

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Engaging in conversation isn't being arrogant. Maybe you shouldn't use big words you don't understand and there won't be any confusion in the future. BTW, my cherry tomatoes are looking excellent but my variety of herbs are looking spectacular; thanks for asking!

cottee said:

Look at up UB arse u sad fuck

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Sorry, I don't understand your broken english. I did understand fuck though. You even spelled it right! Congratulations

Red1966 said:

What nutes do you use? I think most of the "cannabis specific" claims are are just marketing hype. There is no way one needs 8 different bottles of nutes to grow a weed.

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As soon as you begin the journey into understanding what is actually IN those bottles, you will then understand what your plant actually needs and wants to produce beautiful resinous flowers. That is why the old timer's like UB get frustrated when some lost soul spends three or four hundred dollars on 12 different bottles of advanced nutrients products that they could have gotten from general hydroponics for under $60 in 4 or 5 bottles (max). Why does this happen? People are more interested in laying down their hard earned money for mystery magic bottles with pretty pictures like BUD BLOOD that promise to do everything but wash the dishes in your kitchen sink than actually learning about the plant they so profess to love. Learn to understand what the plant needs and then you will know how to love your ladies even better while not making the nutrient companies filthy rich. Even though I'm far from knowing everything about the cannabis plant, it still tickles my left nut a little bit when I get to politely educate the guys at the hydro shop about what is and is not necessary. They are though, just selling what the uninformed lazy people want so why not sell it and stack the money eh?