12/12 From Seed Experiment - 21 Strains

You're obviously in a rather unique situation here to which those defoliation discussions hardly apply. The controversy is largely about removing a leaf from one plant to allow for more light on the same plant. If you can however remove one large flap to completely unshade nearly an entire plant next to it... As I mentioned in some of them, removing some leaves can improve situations that typically should have been avoided in the first place, and then I'm usually referring to situations with 'less' plants on the same space.

Imo, unless you are worried about PM (condensation from overlapping/touching leaves) or bud rot (from high humidity) later on, I would keep it to a minimum. Cut off only the middle finger of the larger ones. Well, the dilemma there is that pm thrives on damaged plants, so wounding them all a little bit isn't a good idea either. Good luck whatever you decide to do.

what a cracking thread!!! really hats off to you bud

Sativied said:

You're obviously in a rather unique situation here to which those defoliation discussions hardly apply. The controversy is largely about removing a leaf from one plant to allow for more light on the same plant. If you can however remove one large flap to completely unshade nearly an entire plant next to it... As I mentioned in some of them, removing some leaves can improve situations that typically should have been avoided in the first place, and then I'm usually referring to situations with 'less' plants on the same space.

Imo, unless you are worried about PM (condensation from overlapping/touching leaves) or bud rot (from high humidity) later on, I would keep it to a minimum. Cut off only the middle finger of the larger ones. Well, the dilemma there is that pm thrives on damaged plants, so wounding them all a little bit isn't a good idea either. Good luck whatever you decide to do.

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man I havent had PM since I was real young in the game lol that shit used to be rampant because I was a sloppy little bitch.
yeah man I agree, but your trying to find the most efficient plant in the bunch right @Hot Diggity Sog I think lopping leaves is definitely handicapping, but its not my grow so whattyu think youll do diggity?

bf80255 said:

man I havent had PM since I was real young in the game lol that shit used to be rampant because I was a sloppy little bitch.
yeah man I agree, but your trying to find the most efficient plant in the bunch right @Hot Diggity Sog I think lopping leaves is definitely handicapping, but its not my grow so whattyu think youll do diggity?

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I'm not sure what I'll do yet. I just try and react and make the best decisions I can as things come up. I'm not really trying to find the best plant out of the bunch. I'm trying to average 10 grams per plant for the whole bunch.

Going to the hydro store today to finally get a replacement for my Eye Hortilux Blue. We're going back to this metal halide bulb again
Next photo update prolly tomorrow morning.

would u be happy with 7g per plant?!

glockdoc said:

would u be happy with 7g per plant?!

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I would be happy. That would come out to 1.96 gpw.

Chapter 2 Update
Day 52
Flowering Day 9

I replaced the HPS light with a brand spankin new Eye Hortilux Blue. I just can't say enough good things about this bulb. I took 2 pictures right when the lights came on. I will be doing a 50% strength Week #2 flowering feed in just a few minutes and will take follow up pictures soon. I expect that within 8 hours of being under this light, the leaves are going to be shooting upwards and that rich lush green will start to return.

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Man I hope you don't run into any problems because those girls are throwing bows for space...btw....they are looking good. So far what are your ppm 's in flowering?

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I measured PPM's today and wow...it's pretty agressive. With my well water, my PH pen says around 760 PPM. The pen I have uses the 0.5 conversion scale so I'm just over 1.5 EC. I have noticed about 3 plants that have very minor spots on a fan leaf but certainly nothing drastic. I just went back to the 1st chapter and was reading some of the great posts you guys left and one in particular was from James and he said 1.3 was a standard number I should use and 1.5 would be considered aggressive. I think on the next feed I'll tone it back just a smidge...But as usual, depending on how they look in 2 or 3 days that could change...lol

Chapter 2 Update - Minor Catastrophe
Day 53
Flowering Day 10

So losing the battle to cold temps and difficult to manage humidity, especially after watering, I decided to take drastic actions. I disassembled my exhaust setup and did a full reconfiguration. In doing so, I managed to drop the 40 pound carbon filter right on top of the Chronic Thunder's. By utter miracle, the filter landed upright for the most part and not horizontally. Only 12 plants suffered its wrath. If this was a production run I would be livid but since I'm still trying out techniques I'm actually not that upset. More embarrassed than anything.

Regarding the exhaust configuration, my old design was Carbon filter --> Sealed Reflector --> Out of tent --> Fan.
I changed this to remove the reflector entirely. The glass came off and now its simply Carbon Filter --> Out of tent --> Fan.

This change bumped my temps 12 degrees and lowered my RH by 20% within 20 minutes. Seems to be running stable at 75 degrees now with the exhaust fan at about 50% strength.
Some misc pics as well as some shots of the carnage.

Looking great man. Accidents happen Thank god Cannabis is strong

Advanced super cropping I like it! Awesome grow man doesn't look bad at all carry on

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Chapter 2 Update
Day 55
Flowering Day 12

Girls are in full blown stretch. Canopy top is now averaging 22 inches for the Chronic Thunder's and 21 inches for the Skunk #1's. Many of the plants that were beneath the canopy have begun to catch up. I've been removing some fan leaves here and there to assist in this but nothing drastic.

I don't know if you will be able to tell in these pictures, but the close proximity is starting to become *less* of a problem now as I had hoped/predicted. I will focus on this topic next update.

Watered 12 gallons @40% strength...toned back the strength just a tad.

Looking awesome sorry to hear about the filter looks like the girls have recovered from that and its a full house great job

DirtyNerd said:

Looking awesome sorry to hear about the filter looks like the girls have recovered from that and its a full house great job

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Well...accidents happen. Thanks, they are doing great. They are clearly happier after the temps have risen so I'm really excited. Few more weeks before we can start seeing some candy

Hot Diggity Sog said:

Well...accidents happen. Thanks, they are doing great. They are clearly happier after the temps have risen so I'm really excited. Few more weeks before we can start seeing some candy

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Yeah is the trouble from when the lights are on or off or both i got my 1000 up and running yesterday and the heat went up a lot i think i might change it back to the 600 till i flower as i run my lights at night and can control the temps a lot better then weed is awesome you treat it mean and it loves it :S like a crazy lady

Temps went from 600w 74 - 1000w 84 lights on

DirtyNerd said:

Yeah is the trouble from when the lights are on or off or both i got my 1000 up and running yesterday and the heat went up a lot i think i might change it back to the 600 till i flower as i run my lights at night and can control the temps a lot better then weed is awesome you treat it mean and it loves it :S like a crazy lady

Temps went from 600w 74 - 1000w 84 lights on

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Wow...that is a big difference.

Hot Diggity Sog said:

Wow...that is a big difference.

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Yeah i only use a bat wing reflector as i am not a fan of the cool tubes i have don't a grow a couple of times with mid 80s and still done well when i was running the 2x600 watt so i am sure it will work it self up anyway keep up the great job

DirtyNerd said:

Yeah is the trouble from when the lights are on or off or both i got my 1000 up and running yesterday and the heat went up a lot i think i might change it back to the 600 till i flower as i run my lights at night and can control the temps a lot better then weed is awesome you treat it mean and it loves it :S like a crazy lady

Temps went from 600w 74 - 1000w 84 lights on

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Tbh those temps aren't bad if you have enough air circulation in the room plus those temps will mimic outdoors some and should help bring out some resin more to protect from the heat. Also I noticed higher temps bring out the sativa characteristics more as my Blue Dream gave off crazy haze smell in the upper 80s but low 80s upper 70s she was more Blueberry candy smell. I fell in veg long as it doesn't get into he 90s I'm good but mid 80s isn't bad for flower IMHO and when temp does drop you get some good colors from it being in the higher upper range

My LA Con got more cheesy smelling when it got cold outside.

The Hortilux Eye Blue is looking killer!