110w T5 100w cfl later both plus 600w hps

ok

first off that is alot of autos

what size planters do u have them in .........what strain of autos are u talking a 120 gram plant or 350+ gram plant

t5s think of them in this term ,,,,,2ft and 4ft....grow bloom finisher bulbs .........that is all the info we need
2ft is 2000 lumens .......bulbs are grow bloom 10k(finisher)
4ft is 5000 lumens .......bulbs are grow bloom uv uv+10k

your 600w what kind is it ....as in hood are u open wing /cooltube/hooded cooltube
a 600w is great for a 4x4 area but will work effectly up to a 5x5 but after that the light is to defused this is with the light 12 inches above the top colas if u go 18 inches it only effective for 4x4


the lights on the side are what u want to use to fill in the light in the weak areas over lapping the main light to turn the weak area into strong like the main core print ..........u going HPS i would use half bloom and 1/4 veg 1/4 fininsher


if u have the money i will tell u to invest into leds i found a great set that gives me the control i want
http://www.ledzeal.com/p44.html
...........talk to kevin he worked with me ............i am telling u this now order from them they are the maker not a retail shop the price diffs so greatly it will piss u off once u know how much they are marking them up ..............they are just finishing a production run right now so anything u do order will have a made date of this month (how do i know i got a set someone order the warehouse out of 600 2 days before i placed the order so i had to wait until the production run was done i got a notice of shipping coming up for monday.....kevin sent it )

a 600w will do a 5x5 area

ok man

u are going to have heat issuse for sure with what u are talking about

t5 and cfls decent amount of heat but a open wing 600 hps .............u will need a strong ac(12 to 15000 btus) in the room or a cooltube

http://www.amazon.com/inch-Cool-Hood-Reflector-Glass/dp/B004YXDQ14
that is my fav hood it will do u great in a 4x4 growth area ...........any light can go in it and any ballast can be hooked to it aslong as it is mattaching plug (they take a pic)

that will help keep the temps in the area to something decent long with direct the light more in a area u want ........ your best bet for area of coverage is the 400 w u have hooked on one of these (u can link the ducting to the end) and cool both off with one fan ................the fan will cool the light plus exchange the air in the room for u

Thank Very much for info so far, looked at link on the cool tube you use. Also had a look on ebay and found on, this 1 is a 5" deSigned for 250/400/600 and is only £25 with free p&p, but even wiv 18 auto's you reckon 400w cool tube 110 t5 100w blue cfl and 300w dual spec. Would do the job? Looked at ac units worked it out wld need 6600 bit havent got window 2 connect it to! So looks lyk cool tube way to

Chrisalis said:

Thank Very much for info so far, looked at link on the cool tube you use. Also had a look on ebay and found on, this 1 is a 5" deSigned for 250/400/600 and is only £25 with free p&p, but even wiv 18 auto's you reckon 400w cool tube 110 t5 100w blue cfl and 300w dual spec. Would do the job? Looked at ac units worked it out wld need 6600 bit havent got window 2 connect it to! So looks lyk cool tube way to

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the size of it 6 inch or 8 inch is the size of the inline fans they can hook to

the one u pick i have 2 of those here they are only good for about a 3x3 area ..........the one i linked yah has a hood around it that helps direct the light little more so u get a more even footprint

yours will work ............but i would say get 2 of them 1 for the 400w and 1 for the 600w ...........as for the other lights i would set them at the coners of your grow area and move them inwards towards these lights when u see that core print get bigger on the floor that is where u stop and leave them ..........this is still going to be small for 18 autos

my grows each plant gets 1x1 the smaller autos the larger ones get 1.5x1.5 (this is all in feet)

so 18 plants that is 18x18 area u have only enough light to maybe do a decent 9x9 ..............so when u go into water them i make a rotation system so the plants are always moving around so they get as even amount of light as u can ...............or to pick the best ones out of it and give them the maximum amount of light and love u can to make them the biggest they can get

Jus received my 300w dual spec cfl 2day, have open hood for that, buyin another 300w red spec cfl 2morrow also have open hood for that, and lookin at this online its 600w dual spec cool tube with fan and ballast and ducting, jus waitin to hea if its 5" or 6" at the moment, would this b anywhere near the light coverage that i would be needing? And i wld leave out my T5 and 100w blue cfl. Sorry if all my questions are coming across novice, but its the only way to learn. Regards Alis.

Chrisalis said:

Jus received my 300w dual spec cfl 2day, have open hood for that, buyin another 300w red spec cfl 2morrow also have open hood for that, and lookin at this online its 600w dual spec cool tube with fan and ballast and ducting, jus waitin to hea if its 5" or 6" at the moment, would this b anywhere near the light coverage that i would be needing? And i wld leave out my T5 and 100w blue cfl. Sorry if all my questions are coming across novice, but its the only way to learn. Regards Alis.

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ask what ever u need too........i do not mind helping it is good karma ........plus i am bored so gives me something to think about for 2 mins so thanks

it should be a 6 inch ducting ........u will like that hood .....and that fan it will help keep temps down

so u are now talking
2 600w 1 400w 3 300w cfls and 1 t5

the cfls i am unsure about ...........i used the 23 watt ones and increased the number (good smoke but fluffy stuff)

going with maximum numbers here 600 is 5x5 ........400 is 4x4 ........those 2 are 14x5 the other lights placed right u should be ok

the only other thing that might help u is a light mover .............u hang the light on this track and this motor moves it all day backwards and forwards.........this is what they do in pro grows when they do not have enough light for just leaving it in one place

Chrisalis said:

No sorry, now I'm talking 1 600w in cool tube, 2 300w dual spectrum cfl's in open wing hoods and the 400w i have does not have a cool tube as of yet only an open wing, was thinking that might be ok to keep a little heat in the room?!?!
Also was only going to use the T5 if its going to be productive (or just a waste of time), did have another 100w blue spectrum cfl but i stood on it last night and it kinda went pop!

Light mover might be a bit advanced for me at this moment in time was just going to go down the route of pot rotation.

Will take some pic's of my seedlings later on once im sorted and post for you to see. They got germed on either 10th or 11th Sept and put in pots very next day, so they are either 11 or 12 days old day.

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your boned .............the amount of light i working it out to be about 8x8 core effective up to 10x10
u want the 600w dead center of the area .............the 400w can go 4/3feet away in one direction (i would put is far side from your cool intake) ....the cfls i would go on the otherside of the 600w near the 400 and that t5 put on the far side

u might think about taken a few plants and putting them outdoors if the weather is ok for them with them being autos they only need a short period of time

Boned?? i'm guessing screwed? Hahaha, weather ok, Great Britian! Not a chance!! I do have an 80/80/160 tent sat doin nothing at the moment aswell but i have no light for that at the moment, only tent, intake, filter and extractor. Dont suppose removing one 300 cfl and placing in tent with maybe 5/6 plants would b an option? I only dun all 20 seed coz last twice my germ rate has been shite got 6/15 1st go and 2/10 2nd, and this time low and behold 18/20! Sods law that i believe. Also cool tube, never used one, still abt 12/18" above canopt or lower lyk cfls coz cooler?

@Chrisalis
yep u are buggered up the arse on this ( sorry english grandmother)


as for the tent CFLs are going to be a low weight u will pull maybe a oz per plant even then u will need to rotate the planters .....i keep it in the main area with the other lights so help off set it .............u can use the tent for drying but 18 plants u are looking at atleast 9 oz of weed that is each of them only making 14 grams

as for the cooltube alls it does is remove most of the heat that the 600w will make it allows u to suck air out of the room exchanging it for fresh cool air ......with it hung up above the plants it will always be sucking warmer air out..............the height for u want 18 inches this will give u the largest footprint u can get from the light

next time look at the Jiffy Plug method with the green house out of 90 plus plants i only had 7 failures 3 bad seeds (attitude seed bank replaced them for free) and 4 of them i had the green house temp to high) .........only plant 4 at a time


edit ......ohhh i know get the plants started nice and then sell off the plants to ppl u trust let them go into flowering for them u ask 100 bucks per plant .......this will allow u to get more gear at no cost except soil seed and planter

Chrisalis said:

Ouch, wasnt expect only 1/2oz a plant! Thats destroyed my buzz 4 this evening! If i knew germ was gonna b that gud i wldve dun 10 and 10. Cant really go above 1000w hps where im at aswell, cld maybe get another 2 300 red spec cfls in if u think that wld help the yield in my initial grow room (1000hps, 600w dual spec cfl, 600w red spec cfl and T5) as u say keep tent 4 drying? not gonna put any in tent then jus gonna try do best i can in area ive got, my target was more 30oz total. All still a learning curve i suppose only bn practising for 11months now, and every time ive fuckt sumthing up!

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well the half oz a plant is the worst i seen anyone do............so it is a safe low number i can give u are looking at alot more tho

ok 18 plants .......this is your learning time
make up a feed plan for them and alter it some to see what the plant likes the best
1 strait water
1 grow only water during flowering
1 water only during growth and bloom for flowering
1 grow and bloom
1 grow and bloom stronger
1 grow and bloom weaker
1 grow and bloom with stackers (stackers are anything that is not grow bloom or micro )


as for drying u want a tent (controls the light the humidity the smell and the wind) .............when u are ready i can tell u how to harvest yourself and it be ready for Jars in 7 days it is repeatable for every grow (just if it rains or humidity is about 53% u add on a day more time)


and if your goal is 30 oz ............what strain did u get some of them are only 120 grams maximum for the plant where others can 450 plus

tell me the strain and i will tell u the planter size to use ..............the amount of soil is important because it holds the water when u get into later flowering u want the plant to have a large amount of water to use to swell the buds up thickening them and frostie them up for

in your terms
120 gram plant needs atleast 12 litter planter (this will hold about half a gallon of water )
300 gram plus plant u need atleast a 28 litter planter (this will hold just under a full gallon of water)

if u really want too

i can tell u how to make a monster plant using DWC system ...........26 oz 20 grams off one plant in 110days

The strains i am using are royal queen seeds cream caramel auto (creamatic) they say 400/450gm2 indoors (115-165g outdoor dried) 13 of them, and royal queen seeds blueberry (bluematic) 425/475m2 indoors (70/120g outdoor dried), 5 o them which i got as freebie. Think my area myt b around 2.5 maybe 3 m2 at a push.
U myt kill me for this but all my 10ltr planters are sat full waiting to go, but i was on the shall we say skint side at the time of purchase for grow and this grow is goin to be in miracle gro withtime realised nutrients that wld last upto 3months both these strains are meant 2 b ready 2 chop between 8/10 week and i always add a week for none optimal conditions so basically this while grow was jus going to be with water.

1st grow was in coco coir and vitalink A&B nites, 2nd was in rockwool with sensi seeds A&B (which i still have a 1ltr tub each of left over for future needs) and lyt i said with being a novice i found the nute scedule and stuff very complex pulled 8oz off 5 photo's 1st grow, took near 14 weeks. 2nd time round i pulled around 6oz off 9 diff auto's took between 7/10 for them all to finish.

Both times all both jus vegged and flowered under my 1 600 open wing with sum days outta control temps outside and my indoors where reaching 40's sumdays

Hoping this time with cool tube and cfl's and being slighy lbr i. The year temps will be easier to control, even tho i know alot of ppl dislike miracle gro im hoping for slightly better numbers with a more stable and controlled environment.

But for next time round i myt take u up on that DWC idea jus as another method for me to learn sounds wicked. Dont suppose u have any pics of any previous u have dun upwards of 20oz plant? And wld thats jus be 1 plant under 1000w hps or cld you do 2?

@Chrisalis
https://www.rollitup.org/t/call-it-hydro-exp-gone-mad-imput-wellcome-autoflowering-strain-gone-nutz.764237/

Holy shit ..............bloody hell mate

.those plants are bushers 1.5x1.5 area at least (all this time i thought u ment something small like berry ryder ) 10 liter planter for those are more then ok u pull 2/3 oz off it easy

next for the love of god DO NOT USE MIRACLE GROW

u need to go and get Fox Farms Ocean Forrest (ffof) .........this stuff will do u much better then that shit (miracle grow will make the smoke taste like shit all chemicals ......the organic stuff is crap too i have a whole bagg rotting away from 2 years ago ....i will not even tho it on compost pile that crappy)

http://www.amazon.com/FoxFarm-FX14000-2-Cubic-Forest-Organic/dp/B007C9QKCO

that is just info for u u can get it from a shop in your area i know alot of UKers that grow this stuff .......your not my first person to help from there

if u want your 30 oz plus goal listen ............
good soil that stuff or u want ....... http://www.amazon.com/Black-Gold-1302040-16-Quart-Organic/dp/B004NSBN8S i know store will have this there this is decent soil for what u want

upgrade the planter sizes other wise u will not be happy at all the plant will try to get big and feeding will get out of hand ....the watering too

next part u are really going to hate kill 9 of them or sell them off to someone .........the amount of light u can offer is to limited fo the number the buds will suffer and even 9 plants is pushing it 6 would be better and shoot for hp from each triple your goal less work better plants

@Chrisalis

hit me with your tent size again.......120x120x180(4x4x6).......150x150x180(5x5x6)....outside cms in (feet)

as for the strain ..........what one do u like better (if u are doing this for the reason i think setting your self a strain to define who u are is the best choice ) once u know the one u care the most about that is the one u learn to read first (the plant will react to the evo u need to adjust and make it perfect for it )

the size of the planters will tell me how much room to tell u to take ..........the root mass directly effect the amount u get at the end a larger root mass a bigger plant a larger yield..........i like berry and diesels strains .........really liking the bomb strain doing well for me

if u went for the 28 liters ones then i only put 4 plants in there (read up on SCRoG )..........if u did 20 liters u could do 6 (just know with them in the tent u need to provide intake air to cool the room and a exhaust fan to remove the hot air ) and u will water in the ones in the tent more offen due to the air movement and heat

here is how to build yourself a powered filtered intake ................for the exhaust a 6 inch can fan tho the top port should do u
http://www.amazon.com/VenTech-DF6-Duct-Fan-240/dp/B005KMTYFK/
just so u now what i am talking about ..........always get the metal blades they last longer then plastic plus they have a faster CFM rate they can spin faster with out breaking ...............if u have skills with wiring plugs u can pick this up in the HAVC section of most large hardware stores but the ones in the store do not have a plug and the wires are short