California NORML Release – Oct 12, 2009

Paypal, the well-known internet payment company has told California NORML that it will no longer accept payments to our “type of business” because we accept listing payments from cannabis-recommending physicians.

After years of offering free listings to physicians and collectives at our website http://www.canorml.org, CaNORML began charging a yearly listing fee to cover our costs last year.

PayPal froze CaNORML’s account in June, saying that by accepting listing fees fromcollectives, we were violating their Acceptable Use policy, which says, “you may not use PayPal in the purchase or sale of narcotics.” Although narcotics were not being sold over the CaNORML site, we reluctantly agreed to stop accepting listings fees from collectives that dispense medical marijuana, recognizing that even though they are legal under state law, they are illegal under federal law. However, we continued to accept payments online from doctors, attorneys, and members.

Now PayPal has stopped accepting payments from the CaNORML site because we continued to accept listing payments from physicians.

Under a ruling upheld by the U.S. Supreme Court (Conant v. Walters, 2003), physicians have the first amendment right to discuss and recommend medical marijuana for their patients, although they may not distribute it or help patients in finding it. PayPal was informed of this and wrote back, “We are not arguing the legality of this issue; we are simply stating that we have made the business decision to not be involved with this type of business.”

Because of its discriminatory policy and disregard of physicians’ first amendment rights, CaNORML submits that PayPal is not the “type of business” to be used by those who advocate for human rights. We will file a complaint with the federal banking committee over their practices.

Located in San Jose, California, PayPal was founded in 1998 and was acquired by eBay (California gubernatorial candidate Meg Whitman’s former company) in 2002.

Complain to: PayPal, 2211 N 1st St, San Jose 95131 (40 376-7400
Dale Gieringer, CA NORML

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From what I seem to remember in another thread, RIU had paypal but ended up getting the account blocked because the site promoted drugs.

Edit: greenearth5 posted a much better example on this with CaNORML's issue w/paypal just above me.

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Yeah Paypal fucked me years ago took several grand out of my account over a $59 sale someone used a stolen card on, and that was my only bad transaction out of hundreds.

You can read y not to use paypal at www.paypalsucks.com

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Wow, I had no idea. My PayPal account was hacked in 2007, I discovered it within a few hours of it occurring, and instead of using emails or contact forms, I immediately called PayPal and informed them that someone had just used my account to purchase four computers on eBay. They reversed the charges in moments, and everything was settled without a hitch. (I then of course changed my passwords on all sites!)

I was very pleased with PayPal's prompt actions against this theft, and have since told many people that they protect you against fraud. I've suggested to them that they also use PayPal's option of generating credit card numbers that can be used however we choose (one time payment only, recurring payments to that merchant only, etc.) in order to protect our real CC#'s from fraud. Now after reading quite a bit at www.paypalsucks.com, I'm thinking I should tell those to whom I'd made these recommendations that I was wrong, and not to trust PayPal as much as I'd thought we should.

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Sure, trust Paypal, I've spent the last 5-6 years telling plp why they shouldnt trust any bank let alone a rouge wanna b like paypal.

Hell read the agreement you agree to, that's some scary shite.

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Well, I should reiterate... I've suggested trusting PayPal more than banks. But again, that was due to the very positive experience I had with them when I had that hack and theft. (It was my password that was hacked, not my PayPal account itself. I typed that wrong in my last post. The asshole that hacked me emailed me afterward, telling me how he hacked me, gloating! It was because I used the same password for several sites, so once he hacked it that's all he needed.) I'm planning on rereading their TOS just to see what all it says, but again, after reading all I did at paypalsucks.com, I'm more than convinced.

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Yeah I trust real gov licensed banks before I trust paypal, they aren't governed like a bank is, they legally can steal from you, you agree to it basically.
Real banks can't pull the shit paypal pulls, and banks r pretty underhanded.

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Banks can and do legally steal from you, as well. Don't let the "governed" part fool you or anyone else. I know this from personal experience, as well as from many other people's experiences. But again, I wasn't aware of PayPal's B.S., and thought they were on the up and up... I haven't had any situations in which they'd have opportunity to screw me, so I had no clue.

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Well yeah they do steal, has happened to me, other than outragous overdraf fees and the OD fees on debit card transactions which should b illegal all the way around since they are secured funds when you use your check card, anyways.
Yeah paypal is on the up and up to make you think they are more than trust worthy and some plp never have a problem, BUT merchants should truly be weary of em.
Paypals mind set is that YOU are trying to fuck them or someone else over, and that's how they treat you once you become familar with their line of shit.

I wound up sueing them in small claims in my city (what you normally and are legally able to do)
gaypal turned around tried to contest the venue and so on, my uncle was friends with the judge and gave him the heads up (which pissed him off some company was trying to go over his head) and yeah I got my day and they settled before hand.
Part of that settlement was I can't talk about it, yeah will fuck them.
They didn't feel the need to spend those big buck attorneys to reclaim the 3600 my bank had not been able to, see my bank went to bat for me and reclaimed 7000 or so, paypal had taken 11-12000.00 something like that, all over $59 BTW.
so I got a settlement and a check, then I dropped it.
Ill pay though them with prepaid cards, but give them my bank account number, yeah I think NOT.

I hate plp when I sale items online they r like "can you take paypal".

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i need to delete my account for now how do i go about doing this????

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