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    How long did you veg the GDP? How many inches till you flowered?

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    its hard to say how much it cost.. i buy the ammendments in bulk from a website groworganic dot com that is based here in california.. they are a regular organic gardening site so i feel comfortable ordering from them. id say something like 500 dollars for a few years worth of batches easily. i run about 5 cycles a year. the things i have to buy regularly are 2 bags of roots organic soil and about every few cycles a 5lb bag of happy frog bat guano cuz i cant find a 50lb bag of it anywhere. also have to buy worm castings every time i mix a batch, and xtreme mycorrhizal every few times. other things like the alfalfa meal, kelp, humic acid i just use the 5lb bag down to earth brand. i only run 4 plants under a single 1k, but the mix i use fills a black plastic garbage can about 4/5 of the way.. and when i take out enough soil for 4 plants, i usually have about 1/3 of the can left, so id say u should be able to have enough for 7 plants. maybe 8 maximum.

    i just made some killer hash from this trim, fully melts/bubbles.. and looks like peanut brittle.. amazing stuff.

    i traditionally do a dry trim, hang the whole plant, this time i just cut the tops and im giving the lower half an extra couple of weeks.. and trimmed em wet, and made bubble from it right away.. only the sugar leaves.. so the hash had no impurities whatsoever, the 160 bag that is usually the impurities was completely empty. i switched to a 4 bag bubblebag 1 gallon from the 5gallon i was running.. because now i can fit the 1gal paint container i use in the fridge and freezer so the water is super cold.. the water is like slushy when i run it through now.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Bern1 View Post
    How long did you veg the GDP? How many inches till you flowered?
    about 6-8 weeks..
    i run perpetual cycles,so i veg thru the previous flower cycle.

    my plants are usually about 1 1/2 feet tall when i switch em to flower and put em in super soil. and they are established in their roots. i like to keep them short and bushy, with lots of top nodes that are all an even canopy. then when i put em in flower i take off any veg growth below the half way point of the plant, so the top buds are really fat and dense.

    usually i cut my clones small, only about 6 inches tall. and i top it once early, making about 4 main nodes... then after that ill do the 'oops i fucked up' method of topping on the top nodes about 5 weeks into veg to let the bottom nodes catch up with the top.

    i also go from plastic red cups to 6" mesh pots to 3gal pots.. before putting them into 7gal pots of supersoil mix when switching to 12/12

    the gdp needs to only be topped once, if you overtop it. itll stay too short in flower and get crowded out by other strains that are more agressive, but if done right itll be one of the most aggressive in the room, it just comes with time and experience, ive had the strain for a few years now so i know what she likes now.

    other more sativa dominant strains need many topping and lst throughout veg and during flower (lst) as well.
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    So how do you feed during veg? Do you put them in a full 7gal of SS or do you put at least a layer of reg soil as a buffer?
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    not required to feed during veg.. the roots organic soil carries them thru..
    they start in the ez cloner.. after roots pop, they go into a plastic red cup from costco. after a week or 2 they go into a 6inch mesh pot.. after another couple of weeks they go into a 3gal pot.. each time i just transplant into plain roots organic soil. i do however sprinkle layers of mycorrhizal granules each time i transplant. usually 2-3 layers thru the soil. so since the next pot size is bigger than the previous, the new soil u are adding is enough to feed it for a few weeks with just water only.

    then right before i transplant from 3gal pot to the 7gal flowering pot, i fill it 2/3 of the way with super soil.. put a layer of xtreme mycorrhizal granules, and put the plant (which is in the 3gal pot) on top of that.. and fill the little bit of space on the side with just plain roots organic soil.

    you can do water only during flower if you want, but i found better results using the liquid karma, sucanat and hygrozyme all through flower.. no flush, nothing.. just dose em once a week with the additives, and chop when ready.. no need to stop with the additives it does not leave any residual and does not negatively affect the flavor.

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    Will feather meal work instead of the blood meal? Also, will jersey greensand suffice for the potassium sulfate? If anyone has experience with adding these please shoot me a pm.

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    ive varried here and there on the recipe i make but ive found that following it closely yields the best results

    remember that super hot'ness helps keep from fading to early and really helps feed heavy during weeks 3-5, I get yields that outdid my very best coco attempts and quality that its out of this world.

    i have been using enzymes every 4th watering or so and the occasional bene tea to really "push" the plants. Im smoking dispensary meds until I chop again, i consider it a tolerance break
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    the only thing im going to consider adding is rice hulls to the soil mix for a silica boost. but im completely happy with the results as of right now the way it is.. adding/replacing/supplementing is one has to do on their own, i personally do not have experience with those things you mentioned. i believe green sand is a potassium (K) source.. and its slow release. not sure if jersey greensand is different.

    the yield was good on the basic super soil recipe, but for me it did not fade at the end of flower.. and for the first few weeks after chop, it tickled my throat when i would smoke the herb.. not sure why. after a month of cure it went away though.. i attributed it to some sort of nutrient residual from the super soil.. so mine is toned down a bit, and it starts to fade around week 8. its perfect for the way i run things, honestly i think everyone has to tweak it for their style/conditions to perfect it for them.. there is no golden recipe.

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    Thanks for the recipe, Sidewig! Just to clarify, are the ml feed liquid amounts you mention for 1 or 2 gallons of water? and do you see any need to flush with straight water and/or perhaps florakleen? or only sucranat until the last watering before harvest?

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    Bro still have to cook it for 30 days right?
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    yes still cook 30 days. the measurments are for 1gal of water. i used liquid karma, sucanat and hygrozyme all the way until the end.. just water only on the last water, a few days before harvest.. no residual in taste at all. those 3 things are not really nutrients, just things that support the soil life and help uptake and sweeten. hygrozyme are sucanat are OMRI organic.. liquid karma is not OMRI listed, but if you research it, it is very very close, and i think the only reason its not is because one of the additives is hard to verify if is organic. but is completely safe. i do not see any need to flush at all in organic soil.

    this round im doing this time, i did the whole pot with the soil mix when i transplanted.. and i decided to just use 10ml liquid karma , 5ml hygrozyme, and 4tsp (2 tablespoon) sucanat for the whole flowering cycle.. just to simplify things. all i can say is the buds are flowering a little earlier and faster than the last round.. i think its due to the higher dose of liquid karma early on, helps break down/uptake more faster with the humic/fulvic acids in liquid karma..

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