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Old 02-16-2009, 10:11 AM
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But whose to say what is "absolute objective reality"? Does this exist? Everyones reality tunnels are programmed differently, no two peoples reality tunnels are the same, therefore their reality isn't the same. Atleast according to Robert Anton Wilson and Timothy Leary... and even they weren't sure about that!

In the words of Hassan I Sabbah "Nothing is real. Everything is permitted."
you are describing 'subjective reality'- personal translations which are inherently flawed....there is however, an 'objective reality' which is not subject to interpretation other than what it REALLY is...the tao that is spoken is not the true tao.
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I would like to say first that I did not read this whole thread...I'm not ashamed, but from the one post I read it appears we are discussing philosophy and the fact that people will fill in any void of knowledge with riculous delusions (or religion, depends on how many other people have the same delusions).

But to quote Timothy Leary? The great philospher??
ok i dont mind the whole rediculous delusouns part but c'mon man u dont seriously have to piss all over religeon?? everyone may not believe it and to some it may seem silly but at least it unites humans and teaches us to care, be kind, and look after one another.

Now that that is said: u guys have convinced me ill throw on some BD to my mix
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ok i dont mind the whole rediculous delusouns part but c'mon man u dont seriously have to piss all over religeon?? everyone may not believe it and to some it may seem silly but at least it unites humans and teaches us to care, be kind, and look after one another.
Religion, to me, is a way to control peoples thoughts and behaviors. It does not teach us to care, be kind, and look after one another. What you are speaking of is religious 'figures' or 'philosophers' within religion. Jesus taught his whole life to be kind to one another, give food to the hungry, and generally be a 'good' human. Religion has taken those great traits about this human (and others) and twisted it to say that if you don't follow us, you are going to HELL! "Our way is the only right way! All others are heretical!" This is NOT the same message that Jesus taught. In the bible there is no place where Jesus goes around condemning people to hell. This is something that the Religion created. No Gods, No Masters.

And to say that Religion unites humans is a gross mistake! If anything it is one of the main causes of separation of the masses (the other being Government). Think of all the wars that have been fought in the name of Religion and Government. EVERY SINGLE ONE! The Abolition of Religion AND State would make a truly free world. Anything else is just petty reform.
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yeah, ok
it's really just about loving the earth and stuff, the rest is just gravy
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I like your christ.
I don't like christians.
Why can't christians be more like christ?
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Like I said, I like the IDEA of Jesus. Not the Religion that follows him.

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im more organic than boidynamic but the part of biodynasmic practice i believe in is planting by the moon phases - this has been proven to work and if the moon can control the tides then whu shouldnt it have an influence on the water cycles of a plant?

but the dung in a goats horn buried for a month stuff is a bit mumbo for me. - jmo

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im more organic than boidynamic but the part of biodynasmic practice i believe in is planting by the moon phases - this has been proven to work and if the moon can control the tides then whu shouldnt it have an influence on the water cycles of a plant?

but the dung in a goats horn buried for a month stuff is a bit mumbo for me. - jmo

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biodynamics IS organic!!!! to the 10th.power!...the cow shit in the horns is wierd, but the results speak for themselves....if I was dying of some disease that only a witch doctor could cure, I'm not gonna' question his methods!

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biodynamics is VERY iffy stuff. But to each his own. If you think that burying a bull horn in the ground is going to give you a better crop, then go ahead and do it!

I just hope that isn't the ONLY reason the bull got his horn chopped off...

I also agree with the lunar cycle part. That pre-dates biodynamics though.
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to be fair, most of the practices contained in BD pre-date BD itself considerably - it doesn't claim to be exclusive in regard to it's practices. in simple terms it's the start of organics, as a modern movement. with added weirdness at first glance..

the preps sound weird ofc, but for example: one of the cow-horn preps adds silica to the soil in an entirely organic way (some peeps pay good cash to get chems to do this..), as well as having superior micro-herdage.. all the preps have similar properties that undoubtably make a difference to a plant/garden etc in many ways(and many MJ growers do after all pay for additives that add just a few percent to yields etc). now, what most folk see as mysticism does have another layer..
the horns for example, which are surprisingly easy to find in the world of farming (had a chat with a BD farmer about this recently, a very intelligent guy whom i know well and trust).. as a cow ruminates, it's horns are heated by the friction in the skull and constant cycling of warm air, this produces a reaction to the sillica within the cavity of the horn, turning some of it gaseous, and meaning it wil be more readily available as a nutrient in compost later.. this is the short non-scary version, but i've heard many similar examples through my work.. now, many things are buried/planted/etc on given days, which can seem weird, but i think it's well established that planting by moon cycles does actually work, and yet people question the involvement of the moon, or other bodies, in other parts of gardening such as composting and use of preparations.... hmmm
a lot of BD is really quite logical when you look at your activity holistically and tune in a bit
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