Meditation... - Page 3

preoQpydDlusion · #21 04-02-2007, 02:39 PM

(i post to concentrate on nothing)

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Originally Posted by babygro

In my opinion, that is not meditation.

Meditation is allowing the mind to wander wherever it wants to go until it naturally finds a 'stillness' and 'quietness' and 'higher level of consiousness' that is both active and aware of what's going on around you but still 'quiet' at the same time...

id like to point out that "meditation", like all words, has different meanings. not like it has multiple definitions, but in the way that there isnt a real truth to its meaning. we try to reach a unanimously 'correct' understanding of terms, but honestly its impossible. well maybe not impossible, but we def dont have it right now.

if meditation was only done by one guy, then we could agree on what it is and how to do it.

Anyway

when i said concentrate on nothing, i didnt mean that i zone out and do my best to not respond to my surroundings. the concentrating on nothing is done almost like a sort of training to understand a feeling. i find that i am often too absorbed in my inner monologue to view anything, including myself, without bias. the concentrating on nothing is my way to get my mind to shut up.

instead of watching the mind and waiting for it to reach a certain point, i started by giving it a push in the direction i wanted. now that i am familiar with the feeling of nothingness, i can actually watch my mind without bias. i start with a clean slate.

Ganja, if it hasnt been obvious already, i dont follow a traditional mediation method, and i havent been doing this very long. if u dig anything im saying, cool, but i have to admit that the other guys may know what theyre talking about more than i do.

preoQpydDlusion · #22 04-02-2007, 03:39 PM

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Originally Posted by UserFriendly

you guys ever see the science experiment where you put a candle at the bottom of a long tube, seal it up and watch it die out because it uses up all the oxygen around it? but, if you run a partition down the length of the tube it burns on indefinitely. the convection causes fresh air to be pulled down one side, and exhausted out the other. think of the flame as yourself, the tube as the fall/evolution, and the space outside the tube as the source/god. 1-the candle, like yourselves, needs duality to exist.

enlightenment doesn't exist for you.

who would be there to enjoy it? 2-all you do when you sit is deny your self. just accept the fact that you are a flesh and bone machine programmed to survive. why retard yourself working towards death when you know it is coming anyway?
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1-are u trying to compare meditation to a coping mechanism?

2-funny u say that, because id say that ur denying urself because i find that meditating is the only true way to know what u are. what are u? u cant rely on others opinions, because to view their opinions, u rely on ur opinions of them. so u must define urself. everything u know is in ur head, and the only thing u can compare it all to is nothing. nothingness and wholeness are one in the same. when i 'meditate' i compare my life to death

now, if ur not interested in what u are, cool. maybe ur curiosity doesnt involve any of this. but to say that we are denying ourselves, u cant be farther from the truth.

i have news for ya man, nothing matters. and the fact that u are any different than folks that meditate is bs. control is an illusion, doing/living as an action is meaningless. u say we are machines programmed to survive, who programmed us? we have. we do. and everybody is different, we all dont live to survive. survival is just a means to experience for most folks. and saying that eating, shitting, and fucking is the meaning to life is simply a shallow, over-generalized view of animal nature; thats like saying that filling ur gas tank is the point to driving.

most ppl know that someday they will die. if u are too afraid to try to experience a little of it before it happens, thats ur own deal. every near-death mindset ive ever had has been beneficial to me afterwards, it allows u to appreciate life in a way that would be impossible otherwise. and the more i get used to the feeling of death, the more comfortable i am with it. honestly, if somebody were to put a gun to my throat today and say that they were gonna pull the trigger my mind wouldnt skip a beat.

so heres my deal with meditation. when considering the nature of control, ignorance can be bliss. we dont have any true control over what we are doing, and most folks will deny this fact till the cows come home. meditation gives me more control over my life, and that comforts me and allows me to life a more productive life. people that still chase after the idea of personal choice may find meditation ridiculous and i guess theyre better off in a way, because they have something that ill never have again.

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videoman40 · #23 04-02-2007, 04:53 PM

Preo....you said some good stuff, loved reading what you have to say, as well as many others in this thread. I think some people are overthinking, meditation is a personal thing, and it's merely a way of reflecting.....on whatever you choose to, and at whatever level you choose to do it.
After reading your post, I was left with the feeling of how wise you are.

UserFriendly dude, your pretty hip man, not sure if I agree with every word you said, but that dosent matter, I loved what you had to say though, pretty deep.
Peace

preoQpydDlusion · #24 04-02-2007, 10:51 PM

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Originally Posted by UserFriendly

...why retard yourself working towards death when you know it is coming anyway?
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i might have not understood what u meant by this the first time around. i will die some day so maybe i should just chill out and see what its like when it happens...

with meditation tho, i find that the quality of my life is positively effected. so while i take time from my life to reflect, it isnt wasted. but still, i think from now on i will only meditate (im still not sure if what i do applies to this term) when i got down time. no sense in possibly sacrificing profound moments in hopes of enjoying the normal stuff more.

Garden Knowm · #25 04-02-2007, 11:06 PM

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Originally Posted by UserFriendly

you guys ever see the science experiment where you put a candle at the bottom of a long tube, seal it up and watch it die out because it uses up all the oxygen around it? but, if you run a partition down the length of the tube it burns on indefinitely. the convection causes fresh air to be pulled down one side, and exhausted out the other. think of the flame as yourself, the tube as the fall/evolution, and the space outside the tube as the source/god. the candle, like yourselves, needs duality to exist.

enlightenment doesn't exist for you.

who would be there to enjoy it? all you do when you sit is deny your self. just accept the fact that you are a flesh and bone machine programmed to survive. why retard yourself working towards death when you know it is coming anyway?
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I really like the comparison.. very clean... and visual..
Yes duality is part of existence... awareness of duality is part of conscious evolution...

What is death?
the opposite of death is birth

What is life?
Life IS

To realize that when ONE dies ONE still has LIFE is the first step into the UNKNOWN..

"YOU" can die NOW... there is no need to wait until "it happens"

a wise woman once said
"YOU DON'T even KNOW the meaning of the word death.. don't pretend that you do"

ahhahahahahah LOL

when your parents die.. you will experience a death.. a death of your PERSONA.. this is why loosing THINGs hurts so bad.. it is death of ONEs own IDENTITY....

Anything that starts with I AM.... is part of this fictitous identity...

to be continued..

iloveyou

preoQpydDlusion · #26 04-02-2007, 11:21 PM

knowm, what do u mean by dying now? as in murder or suicide, or are u speaking of meditation?

as for life. life IS, but scientist have discovered that our physical bodies, the atoms we are composed of, disappear half the time. like they can see them one moment, but they go somewhere else half the time. ('What the %&!$ do We Know'- movie. few yrs old, im not sure on how reputable it is nowadays) so as far as i can figure, life IS as much as it ISNT

but i think the natural duality that ppl see in life/reality/the universe is just a product of the mind. sure it exists, but i dont think its anymore important than the 23 enigma. with the exception of one thought:

duality to me represents perception. the universe is divided into two with the introduction of perception

Garden Knowm · #27 04-02-2007, 11:42 PM

DEATH of identity..

suicide is a reaction

I am POINTing at a death that comes from WATCHing the mind... eventually the thoughts will DIE... when there are NO thoughts left... "you" are dead..

"you don't know what dead means"

this requires immovable focus and strength to NOT react and to wacth the MIND with unwavering attention...

The catalyst for such a MISSION is often something people called "COMPLETE surrender"

preoQpydDlusion · #28 04-03-2007, 07:03 AM

the death of ones SELF can be irrelevant, pointless, or even impossible for somebody who has lived most of their life with unwavering curiosity and independence. those with rational views of the world around them will see quite vividly that the line that separates them from whats not them is rather shaky. from a young age, i have refused to cultivate a personality that assumes an underlying meaning to life. this has made it very easy to disacknowledge the legitimacy of most cultural guidelines, the most prevalent one most being that there actually is a personal SELF for me to have.

so i guess what im getting at is that the death of ones SELF that is obtainable thru the watching of the mind isnt necessarily a profound experience for some ppl. i see now exactly where my brand of meditation differs from others. meditation to me does not offer enlightenment, it offers control.