what do you mean?

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aherm.

To sit and watch the mind...

to move and watch the mind.. to never react to the mind.. this is meditation... to sleep and watch the mind.. to breath and watch the mind.. to treat the mind as if it were a FREE ROAMING poisonous snake in the room with you.... this is meditation.. meditation is WATCHING the mind.... this is the definition of this TERM... there is nothing else BUT thoughts...

REALITY is silencing the mind.. whatever you have left... this is reality.. until THEN, ONE has not witnessed reality...

Silencing the MIND is DEATH.. silencing the mind is the most terrorfying experienc a man can have.. and yet there is NO reeason to be scared.. ahahahahahahahha .... LOL

As you get very close to silencing the mind.. IT will TELL YOU.. that if you continue down this path, "you will die".. it is at this poiint that ONE must stay UNSWERVING.. just watch the snake and do not react.... It will vanish like a mirage!!!!

and behold YOU will SEE...... the unknown..... well, you don't actually SEE..

lol

iloveyou

THIS is the goal of meditation.. to give people a glimpse at this MOMENT of DEATH..

The only way is to NOT react... once a man reacts he becomes his thoughts... HE is asleep..

iloveyou

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that is sick.

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aherm.

I was just wondering what you meant by this?

Garden Knowm thanks so much for the input, you made it very clear to me what I need to do. I'm pretty excited about starting actually. I mean I'm already spiritually aware, and I'm not hoping to get rid of my ADD or anything like that but I think finding the seperation between my mind and body will bring me to new levels of "awareness" that I could never have achieved before and with that, I think that may actually help. My body and mind are WAY too connected with eachother right now. Everything I think, I react to, and its not always good. I will get started with this right away. Good thing to, I have just built the perfect place to begin last night, a sort of "harem" type room, same style, but not as many wives lol. Also I was wondering where marijuana might play a part in the role of meditation... Preciate everyone's replies.

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I'm Sufi and pir says that marijuana hinders meditation and the path overall because it makes you too involved in self. The point of meditation in sufism is to lose self on the path to finding Him, therefore finding your real self. There are no restrictions in sufism though, so i still smoke. I think the calming aspect helps you get started with meditation but is it you or the weed that is making you centered?

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aherm.

you guys ever see the science experiment where you put a candle at the bottom of a long tube, seal it up and watch it die out because it uses up all the oxygen around it? but, if you run a partition down the length of the tube it burns on indefinitely. the convection causes fresh air to be pulled down one side, and exhausted out the other. think of the flame as yourself, the tube as the fall/evolution, and the space outside the tube as the source/god. the candle, like yourselves, needs duality to exist.
enlightenment doesn't exist for you. who would be there to enjoy it? all you do when you sit is deny your self. just accept the fact that you are a flesh and bone machine programmed to survive. why retard yourself working towards death when you know it is coming anyway?
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I would think meditation in itself would answer that question as I'm still coming to an understanding of the whole world of meditation...

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Garden Knowm I'd like to hear your comments on this.

As for what I know, what I know is pretty much what you guys have told me. I was trying it out on my lunch break today and I don't know if its my ADD or what and this may sound dumb but I could swear at least for a few seconds there I broke through some sort of barrier. Cuz you know since I have a one track mind, when its quiet, this isn't exactly rocket science. As for the death part, I don't know what that means. I don't know what it means like when G- Knowm said you see the snake dissappear and that's death and that's ultimately what you're working towards... I don't understand that. Enlighten me?

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In my opinion, that is not meditation.

Meditation is allowing the mind to wander wherever it wants to go until it naturally finds a 'stillness' and 'quietness' and 'higher level of consiousness' that is both active and aware of what's going on around you but still 'quiet' at the same time. Random thoughts percolate through the various levels of the subconcious until they reach the surface as thoughts in themselves - these are the stresses and strains built into the body being released by deep relaxation.

If you try to force the mind to do something it doesn't want to do or doesn't want to do naturally, you're not meditating. Meditation is effortless and doesn't involve concentration, it frees the mind to wander wherever it wants to go and allows it to naturally find that 'quiet' spot where it can enter deep relaxation - effortlessly and naturally.

know what would be great? Meditation to the point where a natural, actual (cannabinoid) brain reaction occurs that would cause the person to achieve a natural high!

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