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Old 06-11-2008, 08:01 AM
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Default was religion invented to segregate us from nature?
I've been doing alot of research lately on secret societies, and conspiracy theories concerning Globalization and the conception of "One World Government". While I wont get into that a common theme in that community is that Religion was created to Separate man from nature. To give us a false sense of entitlement, and to Push us into a mindset of elitism. Now I don't know if I personally agree with this, But I do agree while man has more reasoning skills than most other organisms we are in fact no better.
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Old 06-11-2008, 08:42 AM
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OH BOY..... I don't see this going anywhere good..... but I'll put my 2 cents in. I think religion is bullshit, and that we all live here together. it takes each and every living organism (and non-living things) to live life the way that we do. every entity depends on all others in one way or another. I personally think that our society (as it is right now) could really benefit from living in the "old west" society. now-a-days people rely too much on others and not enough on themselves. people think things should be handed to them.
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OH BOY..... I don't see this going anywhere good..... but I'll put my 2 cents in. I think religion is bullshit, and that we all live here together. it takes each and every living organism (and non-living things) to live life the way that we do. every entity depends on all others in one way or another. I personally think that our society (as it is right now) could really benefit from living in the "old west" society. now-a-days people rely too much on others and not enough on themselves. people think things should be handed to them.

Thanks for your response. I agree. I look forward to the flaming. That's why I do this! lol
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religion was created as a means of controlling the masses through fear guilt and persecution...thats my thoughts .....
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Good question. I'll start by saying I don't know.

But I'll be happy to share my thoughts

I don't think religion was "invented" but it evolved from early human's attempts at explaining the natural world around us. From the "campfires" in the sky, the change of seasons, and birth and death and everything else around us would require some sort of explanation. I think it was a natural progression from praising the sun for having risen to praising "the force" that moves the sun. For some cultures "the force" remained ambiguous and other cultures truly personified "the force".

so perhaps religion is part naturally occurring and part culturally evolving. That would infer that religion could not be "invented", only possibly directed.

Anyway - that's my off the top of my head response...
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I believe politics & religion are closely related in their overall goals which are not a bad thing, but they have been misguided throughtout history. Many people will tell you that politics stems from religion which does make some sense when you consider that religion was around before politics. Overall I believe you can believe whatever you want to, but the true separtion of humans & nature is more likely technolgy. Technology is great in some aspects, but have you ever heard the saying Too Much Of Anything Is a Bad Thing - Our youth today spends more time playing video games, text messging, oline chating, listening to Ipods - you get my point. They do this so much & mind you in many ways our society supports this that half of them couldn't even identify a simple plant like Dandelion. I think this is a problem because the future won't have very many farmers at this rate. Just my opinion.
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I think some of the religions are out there to make us feel specia, wanted, and explain things we couldn't.


I mean who doesn't like to feel special, wanted, and like they have the answer for everything?
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Good question. I'll start by saying I don't know.

But I'll be happy to share my thoughts

I don't think religion was "invented" but it evolved from early human's attempts at explaining the natural world around us. From the "campfires" in the sky, the change of seasons, and birth and death and everything else around us would require some sort of explanation. I think it was a natural progression from praising the sun for having risen to praising "the force" that moves the sun. For some cultures "the force" remained ambiguous and other cultures truly personified "the force".

so perhaps religion is part naturally occurring and part culturally evolving. That would infer that religion could not be "invented", only possibly directed.

Anyway - that's my off the top of my head response...
Perhaps? Are you familiar with any of the work of Vilayanur Ramachandran? He has found that there is an area of the brain that is responsible for "epiphinatic" events (epiphanies). Certain types of epileptics are known for being prone to becoming uber-religious after certain types of seizures. In other words, there is an area of the brain where religion resides. This result has been repeated in the lab by others using large magnets. Imagine that, being able to INDUCE a religious experience! That tells us that religion IS a function of the human brain. The next question, of course, is why. What purpose, evolutionarily speaking, could it have served?

Have you read anything by Joseph Campbell or Carl Jung?

I think that the idea that religion exists only to control the masses is so accepted now that it's become dogmatic. What people fail to realize is the important role it played in the development not only of culture, but of city-states. It has become my own firm belief that, without religion, without behavioral guidelines and mores, we never would have evolved beyond small, slightly agrarian tribal entities.
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I've been doing alot of research lately on secret societies, and conspiracy theories concerning Globalization and the conception of "One World Government". While I wont get into that a common theme in that community is that Religion was created to Separate man from nature. To give us a false sense of entitlement, and to Push us into a mindset of elitism. Now I don't know if I personally agree with this, But I do agree while man has more reasoning skills than most other organisms we are in fact no better.
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I think some of the religions are out there to make us feel special, wanted, and explain things we couldn't.
a primitive, ignorant people may need the absolutes of religion to explain away the mysteries of the world around them, but haven't we climbed out of the muck far enough to dispense with such fairy tales? are we so insecure that we need these illusions to give us a place in this world? sorcery and mystical realms are all fine and dandy when kept to the pages of fiction, but when they rule our everyday lives we run the risk of missing the simple truths that lay before our very eyes.
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