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how about no books have any credibility because they are all written by imperfect humans.

now everybody's happy.
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there has never been a single fact contained in the Bible debunked.
What?!

1 Kings 7:23 "He made a molten sea, ten cubits from the one brim to the other: it was round all about, and his height was five cubits: and a line of thirty cubits did compass it round about."

Circumference = Pi() x Diameter, which means the line would have to have been over 31 cubits. In order for this to be rounding, it would have had to overstate the amount to ensure that the line did "compass it round about."

Lev 11:20-21: "All fowls that creep, going upon all four, shall be an abomination unto you."

Fowl do not go upon all four.

Lev 11:6: "And the hare, because he cheweth the cud..."

Hare do not chew the cud.

Deut 14:7: " "...as the camel, and the hare, and the coney: for they chew the cud, but divide not the hoof."

For the hare this is wrong on both counts: Hare don’t chew the cud and they do divide the "hoof."

Jonah 1:17 says, "...Jonah was in the belly of the fish three days and three nights" Matt 12:40 says "...Jonas was three days and three nights in the whale's belly..."

whales and fish are not related

Matt 13:31-32: " "the kingdom of heaven is like to a grain of mustard seed which…is the least of all seeds, but when it is grown is the greatest among herbs and becometh a tree."

There are 2 significant errors here: first, there are many smaller seeds, like the orchid seed; and second, mustard plants don't grow into trees.

Matt 4:8: " Again, the devil taketh him up into an exceeding high mountain, and sheweth him all the kingdoms of the world, and the glory of them."

Unless the world is flat, altitude simply will not help you see all the kingdoms of the earth.
These are the birds you are to detest and not eat because they are detestable: the eagle, ... any kind of heron, the hoopoe and the bat (Leviticus 11:13-19)
You may eat any clean bird. But these you may not eat: the eagle, ... any kind of heron, the hoopoe and the bat. (Deuteronomy 14:11-17)



A bat is not a bird. Note that this isn't just an arbitrary classification that the Western and European world has created. A bat is a bird as much as a Cocker Spaniel is a cat.



All flying insects that walk on all fours are to be detestable to you. There are, however, some winged creatures that walk on all fours that you may eat: ... Of these you may eat any kind of locust, katydid, cricket, or grasshopper. (Leviticus 11:20-22)


Insects, as part of their definition, have six legs. (Spiders are arachnids, not insects.)

... The world is firmly established; it cannot be moved. (Psalms 93:1)
... The world is firmly established; it cannot be moved. (1 Chronicles 16:30)
He set the earth on its foundations; it can never be moved. (Psalms 104:5)
Joshua said to the LORD in the presence of Israel: "O sun, stand still over Gibeon, O moon, over the Valley of Aijalon. (Joshua 10:12)
Note that the first reference to "world" may mean "the way things are", and that in the last reference "earth" may mean "land". In the context the writer discusses clouds, winds, waters, and mountains, which seem to support this view. These passages were used by the Church to convict Galileo of heresy.






... Just a few to get you started. Those are factual errors and not just the millions of contradictions that are also there.
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Another interesting point that's been raised is that in the time of Jesus, everyone still believed the world was flat; however you will never find a single verse in the Bible that says the world is flat. An abundance of information is in the Bible that's contrary to popular belief, even popular beliefs held today but if you're going to be able to understand and even see those facts, you have to open your heart. The Bible tells us that too. Faith is one of the primary principals of the Bible and Christianity.
... he will assemble the scattered people of Judah from the four quarters of the earth. (Isaiah 11:12)



After this I saw four angels standing at the four corners of the earth, ... (Revelation 7:1)



Oh Lord, ... to you the nations will come from the ends of the earth... (Jeremiah 16:19)



... and there before me stood a tree in the middle of the land. Its height was enormous. The tree grew large and strong and its top touched the sky; it was visible to the ends of the earth. (Daniel 4:10-11)






Of course these can be explained away by suggesting it is just saying it is an expression, but it still imply a flat area to have corners. Thus, correct or not, I still found passages saying the earth is flat. SO I WIN!!! Just kidding

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What?!

1 Kings 7:23 "He made a molten sea, ten cubits from the one brim to the other: it was round all about, and his height was five cubits: and a line of thirty cubits did compass it round about."

Circumference = Pi() x Diameter, which means the line would have to have been over 31 cubits. In order for this to be rounding, it would have had to overstate the amount to ensure that the line did "compass it round about."

Lev 11:20-21: "All fowls that creep, going upon all four, shall be an abomination unto you."

Fowl do not go upon all four.

Lev 11:6: "And the hare, because he cheweth the cud..."

Hare do not chew the cud.

Deut 14:7: " "...as the camel, and the hare, and the coney: for they chew the cud, but divide not the hoof."

For the hare this is wrong on both counts: Hare don’t chew the cud and they do divide the "hoof."

Jonah 1:17 says, "...Jonah was in the belly of the fish three days and three nights" Matt 12:40 says "...Jonas was three days and three nights in the whale's belly..."

whales and fish are not related

Matt 13:31-32: " "the kingdom of heaven is like to a grain of mustard seed which…is the least of all seeds, but when it is grown is the greatest among herbs and becometh a tree."

There are 2 significant errors here: first, there are many smaller seeds, like the orchid seed; and second, mustard plants don't grow into trees.

Matt 4:8: " Again, the devil taketh him up into an exceeding high mountain, and sheweth him all the kingdoms of the world, and the glory of them."

Unless the world is flat, altitude simply will not help you see all the kingdoms of the earth.
These are the birds you are to detest and not eat because they are detestable: the eagle, ... any kind of heron, the hoopoe and the bat (Leviticus 11:13-19)
You may eat any clean bird. But these you may not eat: the eagle, ... any kind of heron, the hoopoe and the bat. (Deuteronomy 14:11-17)



A bat is not a bird. Note that this isn't just an arbitrary classification that the Western and European world has created. A bat is a bird as much as a Cocker Spaniel is a cat.



All flying insects that walk on all fours are to be detestable to you. There are, however, some winged creatures that walk on all fours that you may eat: ... Of these you may eat any kind of locust, katydid, cricket, or grasshopper. (Leviticus 11:20-22)


Insects, as part of their definition, have six legs. (Spiders are arachnids, not insects.)

... The world is firmly established; it cannot be moved. (Psalms 93:1)
... The world is firmly established; it cannot be moved. (1 Chronicles 16:30)
He set the earth on its foundations; it can never be moved. (Psalms 104:5)
Joshua said to the LORD in the presence of Israel: "O sun, stand still over Gibeon, O moon, over the Valley of Aijalon. (Joshua 10:12)

Note that the first reference to "world" may mean "the way things are", and that in the last reference "earth" may mean "land". In the context the writer discusses clouds, winds, waters, and mountains, which seem to support this view. These passages were used by the Church to convict Galileo of heresy.






... Just a few to get you started. Those are factual errors and not just the millions of contradictions that are also there.

This is great stuff!
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This is great stuff!
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I think it borderline insanity. I think it is from a perspective of self righteousness; and personally, I question your facts. It sounds like you have manipulated the wording to fit your self righteousness.

And lastly, because the Bible tells "not to quarrel over things you know" I believe you are critiquing from the wrong eye; instead of the natural eye; I suggest you look through your minds/spiritual eye. This eye has to be developed by virtue through Virtue.

I definitely see science at its best and math, the constellations and all will / are consistent with the Spiritual things of God, so if you really want to use them you have to be responsible and accountable in the Truth of them according to (super)nature, not according to self righteousness.
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... he will assemble the scattered people of Judah from the four quarters of the earth. (Isaiah 11:12)



After this I saw four angels standing at the four corners of the earth, ... (Revelation 7:1)



Oh Lord, ... to you the nations will come from the ends of the earth... (Jeremiah 16:19)



... and there before me stood a tree in the middle of the land. Its height was enormous. The tree grew large and strong and its top touched the sky; it was visible to the ends of the earth. (Daniel 4:10-11)






Of course these can be explained away by suggesting it is just saying it is an expression, but it still imply a flat area to have corners. Thus, correct or not, I still found passages saying the earth is flat. SO I WIN!!! Just kidding

Where i come from the earth is flat for as far as you can see.It is that way for hundreds of miles in any direction. The earth than is flat from my perspective.
How many times has that been translated?

4 corners no way implies flatness.
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I have the answers to a lot of the Bible references that have been quoted but not all of them. I'll be posting, or having more knowledgeable people than myself posting answers as soon as I can. Be patient, I work about 70 hours a week.

I'm very glad to see the interest in the truth that has been posted here! I assure you every single item will be answered to the best of my ability!

One thing you have to keep in mind about the Bible is that it was translated into English from Hebrew and Greek. There are many mis-translations. For instance I heard recently that the verse in the KJV where Jesus said "In my Father's house are many mansions" actually in the original Greek said "in my Father's house are many dwelling places".

Please don't overload me by raising more questions until I can get the ones already asked answered, but keep researching the Bible and we'll get all your questions answered.

Thanks for the great questions and the quality of your posts! You may not believe this right now but I can feel God working here. I believe this forum is going to do a lot of good. Like I said in one of my earlier posts, when I started reading the Bible, I was out to find mistakes too!
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I have the answers to a lot of the Bible references that have been quoted but not all of them. I'll be posting, or having more knowledgeable people than myself posting answers as soon as I can. Be patient, I work about 70 hours a week.

I'm very glad to see the interest in the truth that has been posted here! I assure you every single item will be answered to the best of my ability!

One thing you have to keep in mind about the Bible is that it was translated into English from Hebrew and Greek. There are many mis-translations. For instance I heard recently that the verse in the KJV where Jesus said "In my Father's house are many mansions" actually in the original Greek said "in my Father's house are many dwelling places".

Please don't overload me by raising more questions until I can get the ones already asked answered, but keep researching the Bible and we'll get all your questions answered.

Thanks for the great questions and the quality of your posts! You may not believe this right now but I can feel God working here. I believe this forum is going to do a lot of good. Like I said in one of my earlier posts, when I started reading the Bible, I was out to find mistakes too!
I like that quote. where ever heaven may be, God and our celestial friends are preparing their land for us!
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Where i come from the earth is flat for as far as you can see.It is that way for hundreds of miles in any direction. The earth than is flat from my perspective.
How many times has that been translated?

4 corners no way implies flatness.
If Jesus was who the Christians say he was, he not only would've known the exact shape of the earth, he would've known the whereabouts of all the continents and their inhabitants as well. Remember, it was his father who supposedly created the earth. Jesus was supposed to be one in the same with his father. To say he wouldn't have known that would be tantamount to the being who created the earth not knowing what in the hell it was he created.
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he's the son of God. When he lived on Earth, he didn't know everything, he just knew what was right and good. He still felt every human emotion, felt hunger and pain, he was human with some supernatural abilities.

maybe not even supernatural. i think we humans have the ability to heal each other, if done a certain way.
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