The zodiac (circle of animals/path) is a symbol so doesn't really require another symbol to represent it.

there is no cross in the zodiac and a cross was never used to symbolize it. crux (the southern cross) is a southern hemisphere constellation (documented only hundreds of years ago - unlike the zodiac which is 1000s of years old) and the "cross" of cygnas the swan is a high (zenith - not zodiac) summer constellation. the zodiac constellations have been around a long time and none of them were recorded as a cross (at least prior to Christianity).

the zodiac is just a group of constellations strung out along the ecliptic (the path the sun, moon and most of the planets make across the sky. It is called the zodiac because most of the constellations are animals (zoo-logical) - though a few of them aren't. One zodiac constellation: Ophiuchus never seems to make it into horoscopes.... hmmm.

So the different ages are represented by the Sun "moving" through that particular constellation. The constellations change their position in the sky over time (mostly all together and in the same direction). This is called the precession of the equinoxes (not to be confused with Earth's precession - the wobbling on the axis - though this causes the other). Over great amounts of time (about 2000 years), the constellations appear to spin around in the sky (changing locations) so 2000 years ago, the vernal equinox (first day of spring) occurred in Pisces. The next 2000 years or so, the vernal equinox occurs in the constellation Aquarius (it is the dawning of the age of Aquarius, the age of Aquarius.....). I believe the next age will be Capricornus.

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for the record,

i'm agnostic

but, for inquiring minds

Tekton Apologetics Ministries. James Patrick Holding. Tektonitron apologetics Encyclopedia. answering Bible difficulties and Bible contradictions is amazing

as for christianity being debunked..lol that's funny..that's like saying atheism: debunked

sorry, both sides have amazing answers to life's questions..if only there was a way to assimilate them..that's why i stay agnostic

....he even beat out a giant douche to win that title.....

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I already addressed this but it looks like it's going to be an ongoing thing. The reason I chose the title that I did for this thread is because I don't believe any rationally minded person could read the essay this thread is based on still attach any credibility to Christianity.

Obviously, however, there's a lot of people who don't want Christianity debunked; they want to believe in a supreme being.

i am not religious and i think religion is 98% ignorance. but those points are fairly dumb and simple minded.

not to mention using simple minded points to debunk simple minded people doesnt really strike me as intelligent.

Does anyone think there are (respectively) more "simple minded" religious people than "smart" people? In other words, do you think "smart" people don't believe in religion as much because they are "intelligent"?

RON PAUL REVOLUTION

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I have no idea - but my opinion is I think you'll find that there is no correlation between intelligence and religious belief. There may be one between intelligence and fundamentalist religious belief.

I think smart people are very good at justifying believing things for not so smart reasons.

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good point, I do that at least 3 times a day :P

the cross has been used for thousands of years to represent the zodiac, not the cross alone but a cross with a circle around it, do a quick google search, surly you didnt think the zodiac killer was the first to use this symbol.

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Oh - I think i know what you're talking about now - but i don't think it is a cross. I think it is a circle divided into 12 segments. Sometimes this is broken down into 4 segments, which i would describe as an X in a circle. Calling it a cross in a christian-debunking thread carries far too much connotation.


Is something like this what you're talking about?

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yea its more like a plus sign in/ on a circle
which shows an odd resemblance to this :P
which is an episcopal cross, granted the episcopals didnt come around untill quite some time after the christian church was started, but this symbol predates them by far.

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