Christianity has been debunked once and for all - Page 13

jaiddragon · #**121** 05-13-2008, 02:31 PM

when i believed, i thought that god must love us as a whole, not neccesarily (holy shit i spelled it right first try! yay me) as individuals, kinda like an ant farm...

it really is a lonely feeling, coming to understand that there is no entity watching over you, or whatever dogma you were taught to believe...

no wonder people fight so hard to hold on to the delusion...

email468 · #**122** 05-13-2008, 02:45 PM

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Originally Posted by jaiddragon

when i believed, i thought that god must love us as a whole, not neccesarily (holy shit i spelled it right first try! yay me) as individuals, kinda like an ant farm...

it really is a lonely feeling, coming to understand that there is no entity watching over you, or whatever dogma you were taught to believe...

no wonder people fight so hard to hold on to the delusion...

The "God as ant farmer" idea is far more frightening that being alone (to me at least).

ZenMaster · #**123** 05-13-2008, 03:58 PM

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Unless I'm mistaken, you obviously have very deep-seated religious beliefs that are Christian in flavor. I'm not sure if I've asked this before, but I am curious about your username: ZenMaster. I'm wondering how you can marry being a ZenMaster with being a devout Christian?

None of my damn business is, of course, an acceptable answer but you seem willing to share your other beliefs so I figured I'd ask.

Well your right, Zen is the enlightenment that Buddhism strives for and they typically go against all forms of religion. I respect and understand their quest to expand their understanding of the universe and matter that connects everyone, however I believe I am more enlightened than them and recognize that our universe has an architect and God is involved in our lives. Thus I have become the ZenMaster

. Slightly conceded but I think a marriage of Zen and God is a great duo.

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ZenMasteR: I think you missed the toke and talk section, this is the spirituality, sexuality and philosophy section :P

Okay..?

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The real question is why would God need to get his Son involved at all. If God is perfect (not capable of making mistakes) then His creations (us) would also be incapable of making mistakes. Or if that isn't logical enough how about this one - why couldn't God just forgive us without the Jesus thing - wouldn't an all-powerful God just be able to forgive and have done with it - i mean if He is omniscient He would already know what fuck-ups we'd turn out to be so why not just go ahead and correct his mistake (or would that require Him admitting He is not infallible).

Well first off, God is perfect, however we are not, we are given free will. You have to think about it, what would be the point? We are born into a perfect world with no trials to test our character or anything, we simply exist and die? Sure God could have created that world, but what would be the point, to have no free will? I believe this world is merely a test, a stage to see how well we performed in this rat race. But the answer will always be the same, we could have done better. Why God needed Jesus? Because we are human, we have to have something. We are a very tribal civilization that revolve around idols and symbols, and we are united under the cross.

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I have heard that God is all-knowing, all-loving and all-powerful. To which I call bullshit. If he were all-loving there is no possible way He'd allow the horrible things that happen in this world. And if he is all-loving then He either doesn't know about it (so He isn't all-knowing) or can't do anything about it (so He isn't all-powerful).

Why do you blame it on God? Instead pray for those who lack God and are full of greed. In the end, they will be judged.

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Hmmm. I could go on and on and on but i think you get the picture. OK one more... God can't be all-knowing/omniscient - otherwise He wouldn't keep acting all surprised when we screw up (ala The Big Flood)... wouldn't He have seen that one coming?

I'm not sure if he is omniscient, I think he has so much wisdom, that he basically seems omniscient. In the garden of eden, he had Adam name all the animals in the kingdom, it was kind of entertaining to God, but he didn't know what Adam would choose to call, say a lion. And I do think he was surprised at the amount of evil we were capable of.

trishmybiscuits · #**124** 05-13-2008, 06:53 PM

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Christianity debunked? Thats a huge joke

Yet another atheist, angry at religion. And he thinks he is earth's scientific representative and historian...

Nice job of quoting out of context to meet your own agenda. Nice job of seeing only what you want to see.

trishmybiscuits · #**125** 05-13-2008, 07:03 PM

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debunked? please. the writer is obviously ignorant of christianity and probably every other religion. this could logically be called a rant about mysticism in general. but none of the points that he raised have any type of validity to a Christian

No validity? The point that if the Christian god and his son were who the Christians say they were, there should be certain things that we should see when we look back to the time of Jesus, well, that's not a valid point, huh?

See only what you want to see, my friend.

Yondaime · #**126** 05-14-2008, 08:30 AM

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The real question is why would God need to get his Son involved at all. If God is perfect (not capable of making mistakes) then His creations (us) would also be incapable of making mistakes. Or if that isn't logical enough how about this one - why couldn't God just forgive us without the Jesus thing - wouldn't an all-powerful God just be able to forgive and have done with it - i mean if He is omniscient He would already know what fuck-ups we'd turn out to be so why not just go ahead and correct his mistake (or would that require Him admitting He is not infallible).

There is an answer to that, which makes the idea of him sending his son quite ingenious and also necessary to accomplish his goals.. It was the reason why I found the idea of Jesus credible and the reason I was able to understand why it has to be that way when I was not so convinced and rebellious of the idea of God having a son that was actually him at the same time..

Yondaime · #**127** 05-14-2008, 08:32 AM

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Hmmm. I could go on and on and on but i think you get the picture. OK one more... God can't be all-knowing/omniscient - otherwise He wouldn't keep acting all surprised when we screw up (ala The Big Flood)... wouldn't He have seen that one coming?

Ever seen the movie - The Butterfly Effect ?

Yondaime · #**128** 05-14-2008, 08:35 AM

as for trishmybiscuits, I may see only what I want to see, but you my friend are blind.

email468 · #**129** 05-14-2008, 08:52 AM

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There is an answer to that, which makes the idea of him sending his son quite ingenious and also necessary to accomplish his goals.. It was the reason why I found the idea of Jesus credible and the reason I was able to understand why it has to be that way when I was not so convinced and rebellious of the idea of God having a son that was actually him at the same time..

If there is an answer.... I am all ears.

email468 · #**130** 05-14-2008, 08:53 AM

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Ever seen the movie - The Butterfly Effect ?

Again - we're talking about God here - He IS the butterfly effect and He can control and change anything including the butterfly effect. If God is beholden to nature's laws then He ain't any more or better than us humans or any other of nature's creatures, right? otherwise He'd just be another being and not God.